NYPD Commissioner: African Americans are being understopped

[SomaliPhilosopher]

Chimera down, three left to go

[Safferz]

SomaliPhilosopher;945409 wrote:

Chimera down, three left to go

I hope you're not including Alpha in that figure.

[DoctorKenney]

Lol I completely agree with Chimera. Too many times in my life I had to escort female relatives and friends home because of these punks and thugs. Safferz, I'm sure you can agree that young black men who fit this profile commit disproportionately more crime than their white or Asian counterparts.

 

I've encountered police many times in my life, and never was I stopped and frisked because I behave (and dress) in a certain way. And you make it look like every single black man in NYC is searched, when its probably the same young men who are stopped and searched multiple times in one year.

 

Safferz, I'm sure you--living in the United States--have seen and met these types of men, and you would agree that they're mostly intolerable thugs. I mean, what else should be done with them??

[Wadani]

Safferz;945405 wrote:

Sigh. Who are "they" and what makes "them" so threatening that civil liberties can be suspended for illegal and humiliating stop and frisks? How does one "look suspicious"? I don't understand how you can justify the treatment that young man in the video received, particularly as a

black man yourself

.

Cognitive dissonance would only describe his state of mind if he persisted in his support of racial profiling of black men even after witnessing himself or others who fit his 'nonsuspicious' mold being harassed arbitrarily. At this point his point of view is presumabley consistent with what he has actually seen play out in reality, thus precluding the anxiety, frustation and uneasiness borne out of conflicting cognitions/beliefs.

[Safferz]

Wadani;945413 wrote:

Cognitive dissonance would only describe his state of mind if he persisted in his support of racial profiling of black men even after witnessing himself or others who fit his 'nonsuspicious' mold being harassed arbitrarily. At this point his point of view is presumabley consistent with what he has actually seen play out in reality, thus precluding the anxiety, frustation and uneasiness borne of conflicting cognitions/beliefs.

I was thinking more that Chimera knows better and understands the realities of racism (something that has come through in posts of his that I've read in the past), but supports stop and frisk despite this. But thanks for the clarification, psych major

 

DoctorKenney, I'm not responding to that because you are all kinds of wrong and I'm not sure where to start.

[Wadani]

DoctorKenney;945412 wrote:

Lol I completely agree with Chimera. Too many times in my life I had to escort female relatives and friends home because of these punks and thugs. Safferz, I'm sure you can agree that young black men who fit this profile commit disproportionately more crime than their white or Asian counterparts.

 

I've encountered police many times in my life, and never was I stopped and frisked because I behave (and dress) in a certain way. And you make it look like every single black man in NYC is searched, when its probably the same young man who are stopped and searched multiple times in one year.

 

Safferz, I'm sure you--living in the United States--have seen and met these types of men, and you would agree that they're mostly intolerable thugs. I mean, what else should be done with them??

DoctorKenney, I was consistenly searched and frisked, at times agressively so, by police officers in my own neighbourhood. All of these times I was dressed 'normally' and engaging in non-suspicious and non-threatening activies. I was harassed while playing basketball, on my way to visit neighbours, on the way to the store and even one time as I was about to get into a friends car on my way to the masjid. loool. Wallahi I can't even count the number of times I've been stopped and frisked by cops while growing up. Numerous times I put them in their place, with some seeming somewhat apologetic and remorseful while others just became more obstinate and hateful.

[Chimera]

Safferz;945407 wrote:

It's disappointing to see how little you seem to understand or care.

This is not some racial profiling after a 1 in a million terrorist attack, this is stop & frisks on communities that make up a huge percentage of the prison population. Somali, Indian, Nigerian and Polish men make up a large number of detainees in London, if a cop were to stop me while dressed in a hoodie (never), I would perfectly understand.

 

While you feel sorry for grown men that were slapped on the wrists, you forget the elderly, women, children and other men, who are plagued by thugs and 'wannabes' in their neighbourhoods. These stops and frisks induce a healthy dose of fear for the law.

[Wadani]

Safferz;945417 wrote:

I was thinking more that Chimera

knows better

and understands the realities of racism (something that has come through in posts of his that I've read in the past), but supports stop and frisk despite this. But thanks for the clarification, psych major

 

Sometimes I can't resist my pedantic urges lol.

[Chimera]

SomaliPhilosopher;945409 wrote:

Chimera down

-low.

[DoctorKenney]

Wadani;945418 wrote:

DoctorKenney, I was consistenly searched and frisked, at times agressively so, by police officers in my own neighbourhood. All of these times I was dressed 'normally' and engaging in non-suspicious and non-threatening activies. I was harassed while playing basketball, on my way to visit neighbours, on the way to the store and even one time as I was about to get into a friends car on my way to the masjid. loool. Wallahi I can't even count the number of times I've been stopped and frisked by cops while growing up. Numerous times I put them in their place, with some seeming somewhat apologetic and remorseful while others just became more obstinate and hateful.

Wadani, yours is an extreme example. But in certain sections of NYC, Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta and Los Angeles, would you support stops & frisks? I mean, these are the type of men who make entire sections of a city a no-go zone. It's disgraceful, we shouldn't be living like this.

[GaraadMon]

I guess not looking away in fear is classified as 'furtive movement'. Peel police seems to be the most professional police force I've encountered yet. The residents of Peel region seem to trust them, which could explain why they typically have 90+% closure rates on homicides.

[Safferz]

Wadani;945420 wrote:

Sometimes I can't resist my pedantic urges lol.

lol I wasn't being sarcastic, I really do appreciate the clarification if I was using the concept incorrectly

 

Chimera;945419 wrote:

This is not some racial profiling after a 1 in a million terrorist attack, this is stop & frisks on communities that make up a huge percentage of the prison population. Somali, Indian, Nigerian and Polish men make up a large number of detainees in London, if a cop were to stop me while dressed in a hoodie (never), I would perfectly understand.

And I suppose you think people of colour making up huge percentages of the prison population is just because they commit more crimes? lol c'mon now, you're not thinking here. Defend stop and frisk all you want, but the statistics themselves show that it's an ineffective practice, and the campaigns and organizing against it (the only reason Bloomberg and the police commissioner are commenting on this right now is because of a current lawsuit and legislation on the table to curtail it) are becoming hugely successful because they are able to make the case that stop and frisk is a violation of civil liberties.

[DoctorKenney]

Blackflash;945423 wrote:

I guess not looking away in fear is classified as 'furtive movement'. Peel police seems to be the most professional police force I've encountered yet. The residents of Peel region seem to trust them, which could explain why they typically have 90+% closure rates on homicides.

Maybe it's because Brampton and Mississauga have extremely low crime rates?

 

For once sir, put yourself in the position of living in a large American city with a high crime rate, and you'll see what we're talking about.

[Wadani]

DoctorKenney;945422 wrote:

Wadani, yours is an extreme example. But in certain sections of NYC, Chicago, Detroit, Atlanta and Los Angeles, would you support stops & frisks? I mean, these are the type of men who make entire sections of a city a

no-go zone

. It's disgraceful, we shouldn't be living like this.

I understand where ur coming from, but without addressing the root causes these band aid solutions will fix nothing, and may even exacerbate the crime problem as the young black men begin to rage out against society even more in their indignation.

[Safferz]

DoctorKenney;945422 wrote:

Wadani, yours is an extreme example.

What makes you think that? His experience is closer to the norm.