ElPunto Posted April 26, 2013 I don't agree at all with your analysis on Gaas. Gaas was the PM in the TFG - all he did was build consensus and coalitions to move his administration's agenda forward. He didn't have the luxury of operating with the complete autonomy that Faroole has in his bailiwick. Furthermore - Faroole has antagonized a number of constituencies needlessly with his poor diplomatic skills and knee jerk speechifying. I can't remember Gaas making any controversial statements. What PL needs is capable technocrat who can build consensus and achieve concrete economic and governance results. Also - someone who has the political and international savvy to get the oil exploration on a sound and lasting footing in order to address the overwhelming needs of the region and the country. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xiinfaniin Posted April 26, 2013 ^^Gaas did wonders as a manager of the road map, as a politician he failed and don't see him succeeding anytime soon. When he visited PL, he prematurely played into Ina Samatar's hands squandering any leverage he had as a former PM. Faroole is a politician and has a very strong coalition behind him, but like Illyria said his weakness is his unpopularity in large part of the region i.e. Mudug and Khatumo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
ElPunto Posted April 26, 2013 ^That doesn't make any sense to me. I grant you his trip to PL resulted in missteps. But how that equates to broad political failure is a mystery to me. To be a good politician - you have to get things in a hostile and antagonistic environment - what better proving ground that his time in Mogadishu? Faroole is a politician by virtue of his office - he is most definitely not a good politician on regional matters but he has been an effective leader of the federalism project. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted April 26, 2013 xiinfaniin;943453 wrote: Some people are allergic to Somalia's history , I wonder why is that? Perhaps they perceive that Somalia's history sheds light on how certain corners always were well positioned and contributed to the formation of Somali state. Stop the envy and embrace your Kings and Sultans, they were, after all, Somali Kings and Sultans. Illyria is correct in putting Puntland's elections in historical context. Midnimo party is shaping up to be the real deal , an upset may be in order in the coming elections. Nagadaa, lets discuss the present. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xiinfaniin Posted April 26, 2013 ^^Che, sure lets discuss the present, but lets not use the discussion of the present as a reason to shun from history . ElPunto, There is no discussion to be had about Abdiweli and his chances about Puntland politics. I think he is not built for politics. You think he is a gifted politician . So lets it leave there. Ditto Faroole. I think he has been particularly effective in driving the federalism political framework to fruition, and positioning Puntland in a manner that allows her be one of the important political stakeholders in the country even in the context of post transition Somalia. You think he does not have in him what it takes to play and win the political contest ... Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illyria Posted April 26, 2013 ElPunto, You raised a valid point in that Gaas is not as controversial as Faroole, but in my estimation that is where the divergence, which is in style, ends bearing in mind the generational difference between the two. As I said, both are qualified technocrats in merit, but Puntland needs leadership with a vision past the present at the rein, and good managers with sound techno-prowess at the ministry and agency level. For example, imagine Gaas as the minister of finance or planning. He would excel. Now, imagine Faroole as the head of the federalism and intra-state agency. He would have been brilliant. But as I said coalition building, consensus seeking, and forming multi-constituency platform similar to that of the Yusuf/Xaashi era, then Puntland needs a leader with a vision who can transcend flimsy barriers put in place by circumstance. IN that regard, a new crop of leaders are needed. Che, Why do you have a problem with history? Bad memories? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tillamook Posted April 26, 2013 Guys, Faroole is an a good politician, what Eenow & Midnimo aren't, but a lousy administrator and his biggest shortcomings on the domestic front is that he does not possess the ability to appoint capable bureaucrats into his administration. Some say the reason for this is that he feels insecure about sharing the limelight with folks who he feels might outshine him, and such insecurity is very unbecoming for anyone aspiring to be a good leader. Puntland needs educated and effective managers in all the offices of the executive. Puntland needs a credible parliament that will hold the executive accountable, and a free judiciary that will ensure that no one is above the law. Insha Allah, the coming elections will take us in that direction. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illyria Posted April 26, 2013 Actually Faroole is a good administrator and manager, but not a good politician. let me explain. politics is about advancing policies, nurturing harmony among constituencies, keeping constituencies happy and dealing with their grievances presumed or not, and most of all being in touch and negotiating with stakeholders regardless of their importance to your policies at the time. no stakeholder could be marginalised. He alienates when he does not need to, and reaches out when it is too late losing many in the process. Again, Faroole plays the role of a good politician, but is not naturally gifted or extensively schooled in that discipline. New politicians are unknown commodity, and must be given a chance and tested. Faroole has been tested. he is ok, but not a stallion. Tallamook And I agree Puntland needs effective and educated managers in all government branches. It will not happen over night, but given time like the rest of Somalia will get there. You cannot hastily rush the process, and it must take its natural process. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illyria Posted April 26, 2013 Ujeedooyinka Ururka Wadajir 1. Magaca Ururku waa Ururka Wadajir Party (WPP). 2 Ururka Wadajir wuxuu u taagan yahay midnimadda ummadda Somaliyeed wuxuuna ka soo horjeedaa cid allale ciddii ku lidi ah arintaas. 3.Ururka Wadajir waxaa saldhigiisu yahay gobolladda Dawlad Goboleedka Puntland. 4. Ururka Wadajir wuxuu aaminsanyahay Dastuurka iyo xeerarka Dawlad Goboleedka Puntland iyo kan dawladda dhexe ee ku salaysan habka federaalka ah. 5. Ururka Wadajir wuxuu si gaar ah xoogga u saarayaa isaga oo kaashanaya maamulka iyo shacabka Puntland in xal waara loo helo mashaqada dhul iyo dadba leh ee ku gedaaman gobolada SOOL SANAAG iyo CAYN. 6. Ururka Wadajir waxaa xubin ka noqon kara qof kasta oo raacsan ujeedooyinka iyo hadafka ururka bixiyana lacagta fiiga ee ururku qoondeeyo. 7. ururka Wadajir wuxuu u hawlgelayaa horumarinta nolosha iyo nabadgelyada dadka somaaliyeed guud ahaan, gaar ahaana ta dadka ku dhaqan goboladda Puntland. 8. Ururka Wadajir wuxuu tiigsanayaa inuu sare u qaado arimaha bulshada sida waxbarashada, caafimaadka, iwm. 9.Ururka Wadajir wuxuu horseedayaa horumarinta caddaaladda, ilaalinta degaanka, kor u qaadida nolosha xoolo dhaqatada iwm. Magacyada Guddoonka iyo Aasaasayaasha Ururka Wadajir] 1. Dr. Cabdiullahi Xasan Maxamud Guddoomiye 2. Eng. Axmed Maxamud Xandulle Guddoomiye ku Xigeen 3. Diplomat Axmed Ibrahim Cawaale Xidhidhiyaha 1aad ee Ururka 4. Prof. Axmed Geelle Xuseen Xubin 5. Ibrahim Cabdillahi Maxamud Qambi Xubin 6. Eng. Nasir Cisman Farax Dhalac Xubin 7. Cabdiqaadir Jamac Xuseen Surey Xubin 8. Jibriil Maxamed X Salax Xubin 9. Axmed Maxamed Xasan Xidhiidhiyaha 2aad ee Ururka Dr. Abdillahi Xasan Maxamud Guddoomiyaha kumeelgaarka ah ee Ururka Wadajir Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illyria Posted April 26, 2013 Contested districts and the number of seats up for grabs per district in the upcoming Local District Elections in Puntland. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illyria Posted April 27, 2013 Timeline for Puntland Constitutional and Democratization Process. Transitioning from Clan-Based Government System to Constitutional System of Multiparty Democracy in Puntland State of Somalia February 25, 1998 - March 12, 1998 - Garowe Consultative Conference attended by communities of Northeastern Somalia, with consultative discussions centered on establishing a shared administration in light of growing insecurity and political disorder in Somalia May 15, 1998 - August 1, 1998 - Garowe Constitutional Convention attended by titled traditional elders and 480 Convention Delegates from five Administrative Regions (Bari, Nugal, Mudug, Sool, and Sanaag) and one District (Buhodle) - Convention establishes Puntland State of Somalia and agrees on Garowe as Capital City of Puntland State of Somalia - Convention approves a Provisional Charter (August 1998 – June 2001), with an independent Judiciary, a 66-member clan-based Parliament – nominated by Puntland traditional elders – that elects a President and Vice President for a three-year interim period August 1, 1998 - June 30, 2001 - The first President of Puntland H.E. Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed and Vice President H.E. Mohamed Abdi Hashi serve a three-year interim period July 1, 2001 - May 17, 2003 - Puntland undergoes a period of constitutional crisis – leading to armed dispute between two political factions - On May 17, 2003, the two political factions sign a peace agreement in Bossaso May 17, 2003 - January 8, 2005 - H.E. Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed continues to serve as President of Puntland, until October 10, 2004, when Yusuf was elected as President of the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) of Somalia - The Puntland Vice President H.E. Mohamed Abdi Hashi assumes power as President of Puntland, until presidential election of January 8, 2005 January 8, 2005 - H.E. Mohamud Muse Hersi (Adde Muse) and H.E. Hassan Dahir Mohamud (Afqurac) elected as President and Vice President of Puntland, respectively December 2006 - Puntland President H.E. Adde Muse issues a five-point presidential decree, highlighting issues of: a) constitutional review process; b) nomination of electoral commission; c) public dissemination; d) referendum; and e) local and parliamentary elections February 2007 - Puntland President H.E. Adde Muse appoints 14-member Constitution Review Committee, to work with local and international partners, including PDRC and Interpeace for technical and financial support - Constitution Review Committee reviews the Draft Constitution and conducts public consultations and public dissemination of Draft Constitution June 2, 2008 - Constitution Review Committee presents Draft Puntland Constitution to Puntland Council of Ministers, which debates, approves and submits the Draft Constitution to the Puntland Parliament November 2008 - Temporary Puntland Electoral Commission is nominated to conform set of criteria for new Members of Parliament selected by traditional elders and civil society January 8, 2009 - H.E. Abdirahman Mohamed Mohamud (Farole) and H.E. Abdisamad Ali Shire elected as President and Vice President of Puntland, respectively February 2009 - President Farole nominates Puntland State Minister of the Presidency for Democratization Process and Federal Affairs - Puntland Government requests Puntland Parliament to return Draft Constitution to Government for further review and public consultations, to conform to Islamic law and international standards June 15, 2009 - Puntland Parliament approves revised draft of the Puntland Constitution, reviewed and approved by the Puntland Council of Ministers Puntland Democratization Milestones January 2, 2011 Puntland Parliament approves Puntland Electoral Commission Law July 17, 2011 Transitional Puntland Electoral Commission (TPEC) established November 29, 2011 Puntland Parliament approves Puntland Referendum Law April 18, 2012 - The Puntland Constituent Assembly convention adopts the Puntland Constitution in Garowe, in the presence of titled traditional elders, Puntland civil society, TFG Ministers, international diplomats and donor community members, United Nations representatives, and local and international media - Puntland Supreme Court certifies and endorses constitutional adoption June 2012 Puntland Parliament approves Puntland Local Elections Law September 2, 2012 Puntland Parliament approves Puntland Political Associations Law September 11, 2012 Transitional Puntland Electoral Commission announces the opening period for the registration of Political Associations in Puntland November 13, 2012 With a proposal from TPEC, Puntland Parliament amends the Political Associations Law to ease up the registration process and the registration fee was reduced by half September 11 - December 31, 2012 Nine political associations declared in Puntland December 31, 2012 - By the closing day for the registration period, the Transitional Puntland Electoral Commission announces that six Political Associations have been provisionally registered and met the requirements set by TPEC for the first phase of the registration - The Political Associations that qualify under the second phase of the registration process will participate in upcoming Local Council elections, scheduled for May 2013 January 1, 2013 - January 8, 2014 (Way Forward) Local Council elections are scheduled on June 30, 2013, and will be followed by: - Declaration of three official Political Parties of Puntland - The three Political Parties will each appoint their members to the permanent Puntland Electoral Commission to guide upcoming parliamentary and presidential elections - Parliamentary elections - Presidential elections (President and Vice President) Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carafaat Posted April 28, 2013 Isn't Khatumo in control of Boocame, Xudun and Taleex? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illyria Posted April 29, 2013 And now HORCAD withdraws its participation of the local council elections, but did not articulate the reasoning other than criticising the process, and the Election Commission. Why would any one else be in control other than Khatumo? After all it is a Khatumo territory. Carafaat;943997 wrote: Isn't Khatumo in control of Boocame, Xudun and Taleex? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illyria Posted April 29, 2013 Midnimo and UDAD are making some reasonable demands, and some that are difficult to meet. Having a Supreme Court of which role is to mediate in the event of disputes, and to stamp the election results, is reasonable, and the administration must pay attention to these concerns. It is in the best interest of all. But why personalise, and go after 4 of the PEC members? Joint press release by Midinimo and UDAD. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Illyria Posted April 30, 2013 Mr. Waaberi, chairman of HORUCAD says his party will be participating in the upcoming local council elections dismissing earlier reports of non-participation. Audio Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
