Remour Has It - Somaliland to be Scotland!

[Homunculus]

A Somalia wide referendum is not logical, but even allowing a referendum in Somaliland will be a Pandora box in Africa and open the door for many secession movements that have bigger grievances than Somaliland. Even a framework for a referendum could prove very complicated and and make it impossible especially in the eastern regions. I find the idea quite ludicrous.

[Somalia]

Oodweyne;939603 wrote:

Suldaanka,

 

Knowing how pirates are adept in pilfering anything that moves in the blue sea, I do not doubt that they will find a way to steal northern somali accent in broad day light. After all one of the tricks one learn in their kind of profession is the ability to be all things to all men in a drop of a hat.

looool

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Homunculus;939692 wrote:

A Somalia wide referendum is not logical, but even allowing a referendum in Somaliland will be a Pandora box in Africa and open the door for many secession movements that have bigger grievances than Somaliland. Even a framework for a referendum could prove very complicated and and make it impossible especially in the eastern regions. I find the idea quite ludicrous.

A referendum for Somaliland is feasible . other secession movements have been defeated by the mother country. Somaliland is quiet different it united with Somalia in 1960 and withdrew from the union in 1991. One side is still not in agreement, for the Somalilanders the union is long dead. Matter infact the AU will support and bless a UN supervised referendum if both Mogadishu and Hargeisa agree on it. In 2005 the African union send a fact finding mission to Somaliland and they said that Somaliland case for statehood should not be considered an open pandora box for other secessionist enclaves in the African continent.

[Carafaat]

xiinfaniin;939610 wrote:

:D @ Suldaan & Oodweyne

 

As if the pirates have shrewdly and collectively decided to prepare such an event, I have observed a significant increase in pirate boys marrying Hargeysa girls. Of course this strategy hinges on our brothers in the North remaining culturally observant as they have traditionaly been, treating their pirate in-laws with respect

I heard from XX that man marrying to Somaliland women do not qualify for the SL citizenship. Xiinoow, ragani wee diyaar garoween.

[The Sage]

I don't think we can make comparisons to the Scottish model just yet since they haven't gone ahead with the referendum yet.

 

The Quebec separatist model in Canada is most intriguing perhaps. In 1995 the province of Quebec held a referendum to secede from their union with Canada with only citizens of Quebec voting. There was even a law that set out even how the language of the referendum question should be worded.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clarity_Act

[Waranle_Warrior]

Scottish or Federal model, SL will remain part of Somalia. No clan is able to call the shots against other Somali clans specially when the SFG is weak and unable too make a decision.

 

If SL gets what most of you are suggesting as referendum so will every other clan state call for the same thing, Ahmed Blacky and Jubbaland guyz will declare themselves a break away region of Somalia.

 

As we all know and see from everyday experiences all Somalis are copy paste, if one tries something and gets away with it so will everybody else copy and boom the SFG in Mogadishu will finally see itself lost control of all the country.

 

There will be no referendum and SL will be part of Somalia, of course there will be other negotiations.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Waranle_Warrior;939782 wrote:

Scottish or Federal model, SL will remain part of Somalia. No clan is able to call the shots against other Somali clans specially when the SFG is weak and unable too make a decision.

 

If SL gets what most of you are suggesting as referendum so will every other clan state call for the same thing, Ahmed Blacky and Jubbaland guyz will declare themselves a break away region of Somalia.

 

As we all know and see from everyday experiences all Somalis are copy paste, if one tries something and gets away with it so will everybody else copy and boom the SFG in Mogadishu will finally see itself lost control of all the country.

 

There will be no referendum and SL will be part of Somalia, of course there will be other negotiations.

Are u saying ahmed blackie wants independence from somalia

What is stopping him now from taking the independence route , is he waiting for sl to be recognised or something

Last time i checked somaliland made a union with somalia and after thirty years it said good bye

So how do you think that will change in the future

[xabad]

He is correct, imagine SL getting referendum, you can see a whole can worms of being opened here. PL would be next, JL would follow suit, D&M and so on, eventually even those mini-states would breakup. you'd end up with small, inconsequential mini states that have utterly no defense against interference from neighboring countries. that would disaster for the somali people. we need a strong singular country with federal states ruled by the inhabitants of those places as they know best, ala nigeria, kenya now.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

I believe these regions are not after independence if i am not mistaken and if they were they would come up with it. If sl is not allowed to have an exit way out than the status quo will remain. Oo sheekadu waxay noqon shimbiriooy heesa hees wanaagsan heesa. That its self is not good for both somalia and somaliland. Because it will not unite the country people will be further away

[xabad]

They may not want now, but you sure if the next president is not from their clan they would entertain it. you can already feel it in PL, this cannot be allowed. No clan can become government, all somali need to pull together and put aside clan difference.

[Tallaabo]

Carafaat;939726 wrote:

I heard from XX that man marrying to Somaliland women do not qualify for the SL citizenship. Xiinoow, ragani wee diyaar garoween.

That is true Carafaat. It is the Hargeisa girls who should be given Puntland citizenship (meesha ay u dhexeen) because the Puntland boys are not eligible to become Somalilandish:D

[Homunculus]

Oodweyne;939894 wrote:

^^And the reason pirate boys are never going to be allowed to become Somaliland citizens is that they are cowardly ninnies with a thieving mentality at best; and at worse they are the remnants of the legendary "defeated lot" of the Somali history.

Classy. What will prevent the eastern regions of Somaliland from demanding reunification with Somalia (although it's becoming less attractive by the day), the integrity of British Somaliland is not a foregone conclusion.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

^^ Haven't they tried that already weren't some of the political elites of eastern sool and eastern sanaag in bed with the pirates in the past but, the pirates are Somalia remember. But it all failed so there is no point for you to ask questions you already know the answer.

[Jacaylbaro]

xiinfaniin;939568 wrote:

The question is who will participate in such referendum ? Yey talada kala goynta Somaliya ka go'daa? We argue rather convicingly , It is all of Somali people that must weigh in any referendum regarding the territorial unity of the country.

You seem so desperate ..... but thank you for acknowledging the fact that the Majority of Somaliland wants the independence.

 

No, Taladaasi kama go'do the guy who is living in Dhoobley and/or Ceelbuur sxb .... Waxay ka go'daa cidda leh waanu tegeynaa that is all.