An Open Letter to President Hassan Mohamoud

[A_Khadar]

Xaaji Xunjuf;938466 wrote:

I dont get it khatumo wants secession as in what the Khatumo republic ? Well they first refused to be part of the pirate enclave. And now they are not one one line with the rest of the Koonfurians?

XX did you read the letter? Or you relied on Carafat's comprehension.. Good lucky Duqa..

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Carafaat ba i akhriyey waan yara indha culusahay adeer.

[Carafaat]

"Embittered Khartoum people are likely to opt for secession as the lesser evil in their eyes than to be part of Somaliland against their wish. They could break that bridge joining northern and southern Somalia in no time, something Somaliland had failed to do in 22 years. Not only would you have poured oil on already troubled waters in the north that would fan the flames of the current on-going conflict but you could go down in history as the man who inadvertently broke up Somalia thorough your misguided actions.

 

Mr President, you are playing with fire, but it is Somalia’s destiny you are playing with. Stop it before it is too late."

 

 

This is a clear threat of secession, written by the President of Khatumo (Mahamed Yusuf) himself.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Interesting but why is the President of Khatumo calling his people the people of khartoum are they related to Sudanese people. or do they wish to join sudan instead of SL.

[A_Khadar]

Carafaat;938478 wrote:

 

This is a clear threat of secession, written by the President of Khatumo (Mahamed Yusuf) himself.

Didn't I told you have comprehension issue or may be your processing thought is angled to look only one side.

 

If SL succeeds, Khatumo will succeed from Somaliland which is the lesser evil of succession. Hope that removes you from the tight angle you are stuck with.

[A_Khadar]

Xaaji Xunjuf;938482 wrote:

Interesting but why is the President of Khatumo calling his people the people of khartoum are they related to Sudanese people. or do they wish to join sudan instead of SL.

Must be typo.. More likely MS word spelling checker that is used..

[xiinfaniin]

Oodweyne,

 

You are more concern with formats than substance , aren't you? FG has entered a security and development agreements with both administration, which is indicative of how the IC views both political entities from jurisdictional standpoint as entities that will be covered under the future agreement (development aid, security capacity building, and other international engagement with Somalia) with federal government.

 

That is in essence what happened in Turkey. Now the political talks between the two parties will be commenced soon as the communique informs, and that is (I think) where the talks will divert substantively from those held in Garoowe

 

You don't have to always defend the nonsense that is seceding from Somalia. These talks are the last rites for that dead horse of yours awoowe

[A_Khadar]

Seems that duriyada lot are like foam.. When the wind seems it's blowing to their side, they bubble and when not, they all disappear or start crying. This reminds me the Buhodle fight initially and what ensued after wards.. Bal wax hubsada oo aad ha u bubble gareynina.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Oodweyne the Khatumites have a hard time finding the right spot in Africa their alligences with the pirates in the past brought them nothing but confusion since they are not the people of the sea. Wanting to be part of the HAG associated club also ended up in no results so joining the people of Khartoum seems to be the last option or they could join first vacate their villages in eastern sool and than move to oil rich abiyey.

[xiinfaniin]

Oodweyne

 

I was not discussing anything---just informing you the truth of the matter.

 

security and development agreements between Federal Government, and an autonomous region of Somalia. That is all

[xiinfaniin]

^^I said at the beginning of this thread this talks will continue, and within 90 days we will find out how both parties approach the core issues. But thus far what has transpired in Ankara were limited in scope, and were not, substantively, different what took place in Garoowe minus the diplomatic fanfare and historic pictures of Turkey and Somali leaders. That is what I said. I do not understand your objection---perhaps your frustration with Puntland is getting in the way of properly judging the scope of the Ankara event.

[Liibaan]

A_Khadar;938345 wrote:

what Khatumo and other non-secessionists clans in the north would do, is simple no one can force them if Somaliland wants disunite from Somalia so as Khatumo and other clans can also disunite themself from the beesha dhehe. Let us be all little fiefdoms, clan nations.

 

 

True, no one can force Somaliland/Northwest people to accept United Somalia. Similarly, no one can force Khaatumo & Maakhir people to accept the map of British Somaliland colony.

 

Shirka Turkiga looma dhama, shirka waxba ka duwana shirarkii hore ee Soomaalida loo qabtay. Dad badan baa ka maqan.

 

Hadii walaalaheyn Woqooyi Galbeed aamineen inay jirin wax midnimo Somalinimo la dhaho. xaq ayee u lee yihiin inay Soomaaliya ka Go'aan. Waayo Midnimada Soomaaliya muqadas maaha.

 

Sidoo kale, shacabka Khaatumo Iyo Maakhir waxa ee aaminsanyihiin iney jirin wax British Somalilandnimo ama woqooyinimo la dhaho. Xaq ayee u lee yihiin inay diideen inay ka mid noqdaan Maamulka Somaliland. Mapka British Somaliland muqadas maaha.

 

Kitaabka Quranka Kariimka uun ayaa muqadas ah.

[The Sage]

Although all of us are attempting to look into their crystal balls as to what future lies ahead for Somaliland-Somalia relations, it can definitely be said that the events in Ankara are just another step to significant machinations that are taking place. Not only does it emphasize that the Somalia FG and and Somaliland gov are the sole negotiating actors in this process but it further pushes to the margins the opportunistic leaders of the Taleex project and the constituents of Somalia's federalist model.

The union was between to equal and separate entities and the future negotiations will be between two separate and equal entities, much to the chagrin of the bit players in the horn.

[Ace of Spadez]

Ngonge, you are right about white noise. I almost replied to XiinFiniin's assertion that puntland has the same kind of agreement. It seems there is never a moment lost to compare and try to equate Somaliland to puntland. It’s not only Xiin, it seems everyone from that corner of Somalia is afflicted with that comparison. Even Baashi can’t resist himself as he peddles his "two recovery zones" blue print.

 

Just to be clear though, the reason Ali Khalif Galeydh and anyone who will be affected is yelling at the top of their lungs is because their ideology of Khaatumo, Awdal State, Maakhir will effectively be swallowed whole in one big swoop by the agreements between Somalia & Somaliland. Somaliland-Somalia Unity has been retired in practice, and in theory. I for one welcome Ali Khalif and the Samatar brothers in from the cold. It is time to come home and contribute.

 

I must say though, we in Somaliland are not happy either until we’ve effectively secured our de jure recognition. There are perilous waters ahead and we understand we are on the road less travelled gaining de jure recognition without a client state. Yet, 22 years later we’re marching on, year over year stronger than ever.

 

What is quite amusing though is our friend Xiin who is still waiting for Somaliland to arrive. His calculation is in 90 days, Somaliland will give up its sovereignty. LOL Unfortunately, our friend underestimates the resolve of the citizens of Somaliland. What incentive would they have to join Somalia now that they castrated Somalia's diplomatic levers by retaining their right to develop their economy independently? What good would they need a political union? LOL It’s like that old saying, why by the cow, if you got the milk for free. LOL

[xiinfaniin]

A of S, you are really being superficial with your analysis, reducing the whole thing to a Puntland envy of Somaliland. What Puntland is , and its significance in Somali politics can be appraised in a different thread. But regarding the successful meeting that took place in Ankara, the 7 point communique makes clear the scope of that meeting---security cooperation and development money allocation. You are milking the impressive pictures , which shows some level of desperation on your side. Yours is not even a crystal ball, it is outright day dream to ignore or sweep under the carpet the consequence of legitimate government in Mogadishu with respect to international relations.

 

In 90 days, another round of talks will commence. And it is in the upcoming talks that the core issues are expected to be taken up. If you disagree with that, then say so. The analogy I made would have been palatable had it not contained the word Puntland.

 

That is just being fickle ...