Jaalle Maxamed Siyaad Barre

[Safferz]

SomaliPhilosopher;937380 wrote:

Safferz-Half of those are library books!!

I'm taking my no-buy vow seriously dee

[SomaliPhilosopher]

Ok ok Safferz! do you agree with the observation i made above?? the ""iftiin" "qorrax" iyo "neecaw"....

[Safferz]

Do you mean elders say this to encourage us to return, or to explain/justify their own return (or desire to return)? If it's the latter, I definitely agree with you, especially from elderly people who believe going back home will have a more positive impact on their health and wellbeing. There are studies that show immigrant health deteriorates in their new countries, so they're probably right to some extent.

[Somalia]

Wadani;937371 wrote:

Is the author reer Gedo/Caabudwaaq by any chance?

The author is a SomaliNetter called Warsame101, he also has a website called SomaliMind. Go on the former website and check what he posts to get an inside. He is from the place you mentioned.

[SomaliPhilosopher]

Somalia;937384 wrote:

The author is a SomaliNetter called Warsame101, he also has a website called SomaliMind. Go on the former website and check what he posts to get an inside.

He is from the place you mentioned.

have you read the book sxb?

[Somalia]

Hell no I haven't, it's one of the few cases where you can judge a book by its cover.

 

Read this article he posted that sums it up really.

 

http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/showthread.php/26692-Former-President-Mohamed-Siad-Barre-The-Most-Wrongfully-Vilified-Person

[SomaliPhilosopher]

ha, thats funny I read into that thread a few days ago. Where did he publish that originally?

[Safferz]

Somalia;937386 wrote:

Hell no I haven't, it's one of the few cases where you can judge a book by its cover.

 

Read this article he posted that sums it up really.

 

http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/showthread.php/26692-Former-President-Mohamed-Siad-Barre-The-Most-Wrongfully-Vilified-Person

Yikes. Still planning to read it, SP? When he described his book structure and chapters on stuff like the Somali orthography in the interview, I sensed that his book was just a synthesis of stuff already written (ie. David Laitin's Politics, Language and Thought) rather than an original scholarly contribution. Makes sense now seeing his sources in that article. Just read those books instead

[Chimera]

Safferz;937378 wrote:

I'm afraid I can't do that, I've banned myself from buying books after my most recent bookstore binge. And my bedside table looks like this, so I need to clear the queue first:

 

[Tallaabo]

Somalia;937386 wrote:

Hell no I haven't, it's one of the few cases where you can judge a book by its cover.

 

Read this article he posted that sums it up really.

 

http://www.somaliaonline.com/community/showthread.php/26692-Former-President-Mohamed-Siad-Barre-The-Most-Wrongfully-Vilified-Person

Please don't trespass into the temple of Siyaad where the guulwadayaal pay their solemn respects you anti-kacaan traitor.

[somalee]

One of thre greatest Somali patriots ever, in my opinion. He inherited one of the most homogenous nations and turned it into the most divided. Along clan lines. Made his own clan little gods that other Somalis had to worship. He was a true patriot though. Lol :-D

[Gheelle.T]

If one reads the below extracts, it shows how stubborn and uncompromising man he was. Whether this is a unique trait in all nomadic Somalis or foolishness is to be judged.

 

"In the mid-1970s, the Soviet Bloc was confronted with the issue of two allies in the Horn of Africa about to have border skirmishes. There was a great deal of hand-wringing about whether to support Somalia or Ethiopia. There were many attempts to mediate the conflict by using the 'good offices' of Yemen, Cuba, and the Soviet Union---all to no avail. The final decision to support Ethiopia was primarily due to Cuban Fidel Castro's assessment of Ethiopia's Mengistu Haile Mariam and Somalia's Siad Barre.

 

On Sunday, April 3, 1977, Cuban President Fidel Castro, briefed a group of German officials, including Erich Honecker, leader of East Germany about his recent visit to Somalia and Ethiopia and the subsequent meeting in Aden, Yemen, by Mengistu, Barre, and Yemen's Rubayi Ali to resolve the border conflict between Ethiopia and Somalia:

 

(1) FIDEL CASTRO'S ASSESSMENT OF SIAD BARRE:

 

"Siad Barre was very arrogant and severe; maybe he wanted to intimidate us….I asked him whether he felt that there had been no real revolution in Ethiopia and that Mengistu was not a real leftist leader. He told me that there had been no revolution in Ethiopia. While in Mogadishu he had shown me a map of Greater Somalia in which half of Ethiopia had been annexed…I have made up my mind about Siad Barre, he is above all a chauvinist…Socialism is just an outer shell that is supposed to make him more attractive.

 

"…Siad Barre really thinks that he is at the summit of wisdom. Until now everything has gone smoothly for him. The Italians and the British made him a general. The revolution was accomplished in a minute, with hardly a shot fired. He put on a socialist face and got economic aid and weapons from Soviet Union…Barre is very convinced of himself. His socialist rhetoric is unbearable. He is the greatest socialist; he cannot say ten words without mentioning socialism."

[Chimera]

^Fidel and his delegation felt snubbed after their hilarious proposition for an East African superstate that would bring together various countries including Somalia and Ethiopia under one confederation. Siad Barre rightfully declined this proposition, and defended Somali sovereignty, not to mention the propaganda war he employed on a diplomatic level against the new regime of Ethiopia by discrediting their revolution.

 

Nothing stubborn or uncompromising about that!

[Tallaabo]

Kulahaa "no revolution happened in Ethiopia";) He should have made a little bit more effort to learn about socialism to convince the Soviets and the Cubans.

[Gheelle.T]

Chimera,

Somalia couldnt sell its case to their allies and hence why the support of then Soviet block shifted in favor of the Ethiopians. The rest is history.

 

 

"FIDEL CASTRO'S ASSESSMENT OF MENGISTU HAILEMARIAM:

"The next day I flew to Ethiopia…The day of my arrival there were rumors of a coup. It did not happen…In February, our study delegation, after inspecting the army divisions, had determined that of the hundreds of generals, all but two should be chased out…Mengistu strikes me as a quiet, serious, and sincere leader who is aware of the power of the masses. He is an intellectual personality who showed his wisdom on 3 February. The rightist wanted to do away with the leftists on 3 February. The prelude to this was an exuberant speech by the Ethiopian president in favor of nationalism. Mengistu preempted the coup. He called the meeting of the Revolutionary Council one hour early and had the rightist leaders arrested and shot. A very consequential decision was taken on 3 February."

 

From that day on, the Soviet Bloc makes a critical decision to support Ethiopia and starve out Somalia. The rest is history....here are the highlights

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"· Ethiopia received a great deal of help. "Cuban military personnel took part in the military actions, while Soviet military advisors participated in working out the plan of military operations." Cuba sent "its own tank operators, artillery specialists, pilots, and also sub-units of mechanized infantry…During the Ethiopian counter-attack, CUBAN SOLDIERS WERE USED IN THE MAIN LINES OF ATTACK. The Soviet Union and Cuba are in constant contact aimed at coordination of their actions in support of the Ethiopian revolution."

 

" Somali's appeal for help from the Soviet bloc received "decisive refusal" The Soviet Bloc "brough deliveries of combat material, weapons, and ammunition to Somalia to a halt."

 

· Siad Barre asked for help from Saudi Arabia, Iran, Pakistan and Egypt but he was "not successful in getting their agreement to send their forces to that region"

 

· Yemen, Algeria and, "to an extent", Libya "provided support to Ethiopia. Yemen sent "weapons and military personnel to Ethiopia."

 

· The West has, "for a variety of reasons…not set out to provide Somalia with direct military assistance. Primarily, they did not want to decisively push Ethiopia away from them, counting on reestablishing their positions here in the future."