TACSI Thread AUN/R.I.P

[oba hiloowlow]

i hope she is suffering in Naarul Haawiyya

[Safferz]

xabad;935934 wrote:

if you are muslim also, you should know that socialsim is haraam.

So explain to me exactly how socialism is haram, as opposed to other secular political and economic philosophies and forms of governance. I'm getting popcorn for this.

[xabad]

also applicable to sharia lovers if they are not blockaded by imperialist islam hating infidels. come on.

[xabad]

cuba is little different, its has a bitter history with america involving security issues: remember the missiles in the baby of pigs and castro brand of socialism isn't exactly peaceful. the cockroaches had to be shown their place.

[DoctorKenney]

Safferz;935929 wrote:

lmao only on SOL can someone conveniently discard neoliberal structural adjustment policies and the IMF and World Bank as non-practitioners of neoliberalism to make an argument that neoliberalism hasn't been impeded African development. You would be eaten alive for making that argument in an economics or political science class at my university.

Again, I do NOT support the IMF and World Bank making parasitic loans (with high interest rates) to corrupt African dictators. That's not neo-liberalism. That's colonialism under a different name.

 

Countries like the United States (100 years ago), Japan, West Germany, Chile, South Korea, and others have ALL prospered due to neo-liberalism. If you actually read the works of F.A. Hayek and Mises than you would know what I'm talking about

[DoctorKenney]

Even the early Caliphs such as Abu Bakr and Omar bin Khattab stayed out of the economic affairs of their people. The government should only provide law enforcement and a court system.

 

The Zakah tax was a mere 2.5% of someone's wealth, which is TINY. NOWHERE did they advocate a socialist system, where the State controls the economic activities of the people.

 

These people think that Socialism means "generosity". It is not. You can be generous on your own time, with your own money. But when it comes to running a country, the government should stay out of the way.

[xabad]

socialism says there is nothing like private property and you have to share your toil with others. socialism is little god that plans your affairs here on earth. most islamic scholars are of the view that it's haraam.

[Safferz]

DoctorKenney;935951 wrote:

Again, I do NOT support the IMF and World Bank making parasitic loans (with high interest rates) to corrupt African dictators. That's not neo-liberalism. That's colonialism under a different name.

 

Countries like the United States (100 years ago), Japan, West Germany, Chile, South Korea, and others have ALL prospered due to neo-liberalism. If you actually read the works of F.A. Hayek and Mises than you would know what I'm talking about

I have -- if you don't consider the IMF and World Bank neoliberal institutions, you're in a parallel universe.

[Safferz]

Keep the "haram" critiques of socialism coming, just sat down with my popcorn. Can someone provide me with the hadith criticizing Marx and Engels? What was Imam Shafi's view on "commodity fetishism"? lmao

[xabad]

leave alone this africans and look at chile, west germany et al. africans have other impediments and neoliberalism is expensive excuse for their misfortunes. i wish they had fully implemented neoliberalist policies, they would have been middle income countries.

[DoctorKenney]

xabad;935961 wrote:

leave alone this africans and look at chile, west germany et al. africans have other impediments and neoliberalism is expensive excuse for their misfortunes. i wish they had fully implemented neoliberalist policies, they would have been middle income countries.

I agree 100%

 

BTW, if I save my own money and decide to open up a factory producing cars, why should the Government dictate what I can or can't do with my own business, who I can hire, and who I can trade with?

 

It's my property. I have the right to control my own property. Property rights are a very important aspect of Islamic Law.

[DoctorKenney]

Anyone with an ounce of intelligence can compare West Germany to East Germany, and compare which countries were doing better.

 

Someone once said, "The definition of insanity is to try the same thing over and over, expecting a different result".

 

You Socialists have lost the debate back in the 20th century. Deal with it

[Safferz]

DoctorKenney;935968 wrote:

 

You Socialists have lost the debate back in the 20th century. Deal with it

And you're stuck in the 20th century with Friedman and Fukuyama -- if you've looked at all at the world around you, you'd see the last decade has been the crisis of capital and the collapse of global capitalist economies.

[xabad]

the problem was not capitalism but with ****** deregulation, and capitalist societies are still better, richer and will self correct in the end.

[Safferz]

xabad;935973 wrote:

the problem was not capitalism but with ****** deregulation, and capitalist societies are still better, richer and will self correct in the end.

Heh, another "but that wasn't really capitalism" argument to subvert evidence that it hasn't worked.