To the non-gang-affiliated Somali brothers - A survival guide for the West.

[STOIC]

I have a very close family member serving time for unlawful possession of someone's else vehicle (basically stealing car).He had the best family one could ask for, but still decided to act like a fool.He had role models and all that and still the street was calling him.Some of these kids deserve the time they serve and they should be locked up!!

[AfricaOwn]

Safferz;935306 wrote:

Helped you out and transcribed part of the Toronto Star video explaining the process of how people come to be "known to police":

 

"Every year, Toronto Police stop, question and document hundreds of thousands of people in encounters that typically don't involve an arrest or any charges. They stop people on foot, on bicycles, and in vehicles for reasons such as general investigation, related to a radio call, loitering, suspicious activity, or as the result of a traffic stop. They ask for your name, date of birth, phone number, address, height, and weight. If you're with some other people, they do the same for them and note that all of you were documented together. You're henceforth known as "associates." They also make a note of physical descriptions, including skin colour. There are four choices, white, black, brown and other. All of this is documented on a small white card called a Field Information Report, or a "contact card." Most of the people documented are law abiding citizens. Fewer than 1 in 5 of the more than 700,000 people who were carded between 2008 and 2011 had been arrested in the past decade. So what happens to all this data? The information is entered into a massive police database that has no purging requirements. It is searched by police following crimes for possible suspects, witnesses and associates. Police call it a valuable tool, and officers are encouraged to document citizens."

(

Toronto Star

)

 

And here's an interactive map that shows how young black men are 3.2 times more likely to be documented by Toronto Police than whites:

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/knowntopolice/2012/03/07/interactive_map_black_and_white_differences.html

 

Bye!

All that discrimination stuff you're posting is irrelevant....

 

Staying on Topic

1. Police say all the Somali victims were "Known to police" (see the articles I posted on pg.1) .Those individuals were involved in criminal activity they're implying.

 

The term "known to police" involves a person with criminal activity in the past, you seem to agree.....

 

Safferz;935298 wrote:

. Some people who are "known to police" are criminals, yes,

No one is talking about how the system is disadvantaging the black man. We're discussing about those specific individuals that were "known to police" because of their criminal past.

[Safferz]

Just give up and leave the thread before you embarrass yourself further.

[AfricaOwn]

^^^

 

Sorry, no one is going to entertain your blah blah blah nonsense, stay on topic.

[Safferz]

AfricaOwn;935312 wrote:

^^^

 

Sorry, no one is going to entertain your blah blah blah nonsense, stay on topic.

... except I've made perfect sense and articulated myself clearly and cogently in this thread, while you've not only continued to deny the evidence refuting the points you've tried to make here (if you want to even call them points), you've made yourself look like a moron in the process. The fact of the matter is that being "known to police" is a description for anyone who has been *documented* by police in primarily non-criminal encounters, and those who are documented by and therefore "known to police" are overwhelmingly black males.

[AfricaOwn]

Safferz;935313 wrote:

... except I've made perfect sense and articulated myself clearly and cogently in this thread, while you've not only continued to deny the evidence refuting the points you've tried to make here (if you want to even call them points), you've made yourself look like a moron in the process. The fact of the matter is that being "known to police" is a description for anyone who has been *documented* by police in primarily non-criminal encounters, and those who are documented by and therefore "known to police" are overwhelmingly black males.

Once again, no one has time for your irrelevant nonsense. Maybe a checklist would help you to see things more clearly

 

1. We're discussing Somalis guys being gunned down in this thread

2. The latest shootings involving Somalis were all "known to police" as the Police say (see these articles)

 

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/20...ts_father.html

 

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/20...northwest.html

 

http://www.thestar.com/news/crime/20...olice_say.html

 

3. The Police is using The term "known to police" as a description because they were individuals with criminal activity in the past according to the police, are you denying this?

 

Shut-up already.

[Safferz]

AfricaOwn;935316 wrote:

3. The Police is using The term "known to police" as a description because they were individuals with criminal activity in the past according to the police, are you denying this?

And how do people become "known to police" and thus described as such by the police if they end up dead? Let's try this one more time, for the functionally illiterate and cognitively challenged among us:

 

 

"Every year, Toronto Police stop, question and document hundreds of thousands of people in encounters that typically don't involve an arrest or any charges. They stop people on foot, on bicycles, and in vehicles for reasons such as general investigation, related to a radio call, loitering, suspicious activity, or as the result of a traffic stop. They ask for your name, date of birth, phone number, address, height, and weight. If you're with some other people, they do the same for them and note that all of you were documented together. You're henceforth known as "associates." They also make a note of physical descriptions, including skin colour. There are four choices, white, black, brown and other. All of this is documented on a small white card called a Field Information Report, or a "contact card." Most of the people documented are law abiding citizens. Fewer than 1 in 5 of the more than 700,000 people who were carded between 2008 and 2011 had been arrested in the past decade. So what happens to all this data? The information is entered into a massive police database that has no purging requirements. It is searched by police following crimes for possible suspects, witnesses and associates. Police call it a valuable tool, and officers are encouraged to document citizens."

(

Toronto Star

)

[AfricaOwn]

Safferz;935317 wrote:

And how do people become "known to police" and thus described as such by the police if they end up dead?

Perhaps before they got gunned down they had a record? They had misdemeanors or other charges? hence them being "known to police"

 

Go to sleep

[Sighnomore]

Safferz;935260 wrote:

So we're victim-blaming now?

You live by the gun... you die by gun. *kanye shrug*

[Safferz]

AfricaOwn;935318 wrote:

Perhaps before they got gunned down they had a record? They had misdemeanors or other charges? hence them being "known to police"

lmao I see reposting for the functionally illiterate and cognitively challenged to have another chance to read and process the information didn't work.

[AfricaOwn]

Safferz;935317 wrote:

And how do people become "known to police" and thus described as such by the police if they end up dead?

Another example for the blondy,

 

One of the articles I posted, the victim faced cocaine trafficking charges at time of death : http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/06/05/eaton-centre-shooting-ahmed-hassan/

 

I'm discussing specifically about the articles I posted blondy.

[Homunculus]

I live in Edmonton and it's dangerous to be Somali in this city, the filthiest and worst criminals come from all over Canada to traffic drugs in the corridor between Calgary and Fort Mac and they end up dying. Most of the deaths are Somali on Somali killings as they don't seem to have any inhibition to kill each other, it's really embarrassing.

[Narniah]

Stay in the Mosque.

[Juxa]

When hooyo somaliyeed comes and asks help to get her son's body released from morgue where she was told it may take 8 weeks cause one of the suspects, another somali boy and his legal team asked for second post mortem you don't say gang buu ku jirey, your heart shatters for her.

 

It is time for London community to really deal with this issue. If anyone wants to take closer look, tomorrow at the old bailey the trial of Somali on Somali murder in streatham starts. The gallery is free. Go and listen and come back hopefully with different attitude

 

My take is we need greater presence of fathers and we need hooyo to ask where her boys are. We need the community to provide guidance and so on

[N.O.R.F]

You can't place too much blame on the parents or even the kids. Society has changed in that gangs have become more prominent in a youth's life which wasn't the case 15/20 years ago.