The Jubbaland is a declaration of war against the Somali people.

[xabad]

Carafaat, are you scared you'd be prevented from visiting Kismayu and enjoying the Jubbas after Jubbaland is created ?

[Carafaat]

xabad;934093 wrote:

Carafaat, are you scared you'd be prevented from visiting Kismayu and enjoying the Jubbas after Jubbaland is created ?

Saxiib, cid iga xigta Xamar ama Kismayo ma jirto. Certainly not a bunch of Kenyan and Ethiopian nationals.

[Illyria]

I was trying to guide you away from the false arguments (constitutionality of the Juba initiative) and to the real points of contention (political configuration of the future federal gov't - centralised federalism vs decentralised federalism), but you come across less interested in those issues engaging in synchronised firefighting bouts. Or is this a case of 'sal fudaydkii lagu xaman jiray reer Waqooyi'.

 

Here is the Article, sections and sub sections, which concern the formation of federal member states. Can you read them ALL at once and calmly, and then let us have a grown-up conversation. if no, good luck with the fire-fighting exercise.

 

Article 49. The Number and Boundaries of the Federal Member States and Districts

(1) The number and boundaries of the Federal Member States shall be determined by the House of the People of the Federal Parliament.

 

(2) The House of the People of the Federal Parliament, before determining the number and boundaries of the Federal Member States, shall nominate a national commission which shall study the issue, and submit a report of its findings with recommendations to the House of the People of the Federal Parliament.

 

(3) The nomination of the commission referred to in Clause two shall be preceded by the enactment of a law by the House of the People of the Federal Parliament, which shall define:

(a) The responsibilities and powers of the commission;

(b) The parameters and conditions it shall use for the establishment of the Federal Member States;

© The number of the commissioners, requirements of membership, nomination methods, office tenure, and their remuneration.

 

(4) The number and the boundaries of the districts in a Federal Member State shall be determined by a law enacted by the parliament of the Federal Member State, which must be approved by the House of the People of the Federal Parliament.

 

(5) Federal Member State boundaries shall be based on the boundaries of the administrative regions as they existed before 1991.

 

(6) Based on a voluntary decision, two or more regions may merge to form a Federal Member State.

 

Carafaat;934071 wrote:

The constitution says Goverment is repsonsible for first two years. Now where in the constitution does it state that a

clan conference can establish a State from 3 Somali regions who are still occubied by AL Shabaab

.

[Carafaat]

Ilyria, I have read the constitution way before you started shopping in it. You have ignored article 49.1 to 49.5, and are only justifying your little cause here by article 49.6((6) Based on a voluntary decision, two or more regions may merge to form a Federal Member State.). Clearly 49.6 is subject to the earlier mentioned articles, which give the mandate to the Federal Goverment.

[Illyria]

Come to think of it, the other thread is more relevant and makes an inetersting reading. I'll put my comments there, and will see there then.

[Illyria]

Again, you are misreading or perhaps intentionally misquoting the constitution. Article 48, sub section 2 provides:

 

(2) No single region can stand alone. Until such time as a region merges with another region(s) to form a new Federal Member State, a region shall be directly administered by the Federal Government for a maximum period of two years.

 

Notice the prerequisite - if there is a region by itself, which cannot join other regions, then yes, the federal gov't can appoint a gov'or, but where there are 3 regions forming a federal member state, the gov't has no business in trying to stymie its progress or impede its formation. Actually by doing what the federal leadership has done in Juba, it risks losing its legitimacy.

 

As for the 'clan conference' you seem to be tossing about as if the end-all, well I will let others from Somaliland, Puntland, Khatumo, Galmudug or even the federal gov't itself respond to that.

 

And a reminder for your benefit, in case it skipped you mind, the federal gov't you are so passionate about was founded by and in a clan conference.

Carafaat;934071 wrote:

The constitution says Goverment is repsonsible for first two years. Now where in the constitution does it state that a

clan conference can establish a State from 3 Somali regions who are still occubied by AL Shabaab

.