Kismayo Update

[xiinfaniin]

^^In hindsight, do you think you misread the dynamics of Jubbaland initiative? After all, your writings are well preserved in this fora insisting the whole thing was sham and certain political groupings would kill it .

 

Awoowe, this is not an Oodweyne politics where songs and radio interviews mobilize the masses and make them come out in anger

[Haatu]

Oodweyne;941392 wrote:

Haatu,

 

And you don't think if Ghandi lose in here with all the works he has done for this project with influential charcoal traders in Nairobi behind him he can turn around completely, land in Mugadisho and say all things considered, that election was bogus from top to bottom, and therefore from now on I am singing from the federal government political hymn sheet?

 

And if you add that with what PM Saacid could bring on board from his constituency, don't you see the federal government has still a political card or two to nullify this whole thing? Particularly if you consider the large amount of Qatari funds that soon will be delivered to the government in order to facilitate the stabilisation of the country behind the federal government.

His own family will disown him if he even dares entertain the idea sxb. I assure you, from Masalani in southern NFD, to Bu'aale in the East and up to Jigjiga in the North, J/land is a project tolka cares deeply about, yar iyo weyn (almost akin to your S/land mashruuc). It has our full support and we're ready to compromise (as shown by the inclusion of the big tent) but we will not back down.

[xiinfaniin]

^^LOL

 

Even Haatu has become passionate about it, after his initial uncertainty has been alleviated. But Oodweyne helplessly watches as those whom he despises rise from the South---not any South, the most important region in the South.

[xiinfaniin]

^^I agree Haatu is pragmatist--he appreciates the fine art of politics. Who wouldn't appreciate the beauty of federalism game in Somalia.

 

Oodweyne,

 

A Yusuf, however one disagrees with him, was a transformational leader. He was not a mere transactional as Siilaanyo is. He dared to dream big and change Somalia. And he did. You can debate about the means he utilized and casualties he left behind. But that is what it means to be a leader. Don't look any further, your reference to him day in and day out signifies his historical impact on Somali politics. He did not die Mohamed Farah's death, he died big with dignitaries coming from near and far. You have to yet produce an equal Hanibal like him. So stop talking about the dead waryaa.

 

Now as far as Kismayo goes, yours was and still is nothing more than an expression of raw emotion about those whom you still hold accountable for your political wounds. It is unbecoming from a man of Hawd like you, that you still carry the scars of yesteryear's wars. Move on, and accept the political genius that is Kismayo.

[Dabrow]

Oodweyne;941416 wrote:

But I do understand your desperate attempt to kill this discussion lest it gives some ideas to some folks who one day may found themselves out of luck with this project. Particularly after the said election take place and to their cost they found themselves being out voted, indeed.

:D

Lol its xiins tactics:D

 

Everywhere I read its seems like Madobe is the favourite to the top seat however I wouldnt rule out the other contenders. I dont believe madoobe has this in the bag. Imagine his reactions if he lost the seat to someone like ghandi. The biggest flipflop would follow.:DAfter all he has been the best and loyal butler for the kenyans:D

[xiinfaniin]

Oodweyne,

 

Awoowe lets not go down that path ---the nonsense of borrowing muscles. Alas, the very SNM you almost worship were indeed equipped by the very country you are accusing A Yusuf to have sought assistance from. Problem with you is you are driven by emotions, and you fail to reason rationally. Egal was a prime minister of Somalia, propped by Abdirashid Sharkmarke.

Ragga magaca weyn iyo hartaan kaala dhigay meele'e

Ministerada waa taan ka dhigay habar magaadley'e

 

He was an orator as most of you are , and skill full politician. But when the real test of leadership came, he miserably failed ---he was a transactional leader, reflecting the will and wish of the masses, and not necessarily char-ting a new course for them. His legacy today is a twenty one year phantom state with chronic internal political challenges, facing legal and geopolitical brick wall against dismemberment. No foresight, as always, the excitement and exuberance carried the day with no workable plan.

 

 

 

 

On A Yusuf, I disagreed with the man on fundamental issues. But he led a fleeing masses, founded a state, rose to the national leadership, disarmed the Mogadishu warlords, and in the first time occupied the presidential palace --- the seat of the national governance. Granted it was taboo then to have a foreign support---but today the very Ethiopian troops that were hated and fought against are what sustain our current government in Beledweyne , Gedo, Bakool, and Baydhabo. Only a clannist can find a distinction without a difference in such political reality.

 

Jubbaland is story of a political concept that is orchestrated in a manner I am sure you are envy of. Don't be the proverbial fox and the forbidden garden

[Mintid Farayar]

Xiin, we'll give you a few days of respite regarding the Kismayo issue since you, continuously, go into hysteria whenever it's brought up, like a middle-aged woman who's menapause is mentioned publicly

 

But we await the next round in this Jubba saga. We fear the likes of you are leading the 'cagdheer' community down the wrong path of confrontation with the FG, when their goals for their project could've more easily been attained through accomodation with the FG.

 

But we shall see, till the next interesting development...

 

P.S. we hope the conclusion to this saga doesn't turn into the same type of disappointment for 'certain corners' as the Ankara and London meetings ended up being...

[Baashi]

Oodweyne what's the difference between Ethiopians that supported Col. Yussuf's drive to get rid of UIC and the Ethiopians that supported Tuur in his drive to get rid of Inna Siyad Barre.

 

I know you are emotional and I understand your faith in rightousness of durriyada creed but please, if you would, try to your best to be rational in your reasoning on this one

 

Don't start in throwing mud slings as that would only make us look juvenile

[Baashi]

Mintid you are losing your marbles awoowe! What gives?

 

Kismayo is on the move awoowe. Peaceful gathering by the residents of the region to decide their future within Federal Somalia. And decide they did. Juba State will be the second federal state in the SFG. Throw the book at them and they will come out unscathed for they have the constitution on their side [Due to loop hole-ridden and unfinished draft ] Imisaan niri war document marka hore meel saar inta aadan dagaal siyaasadeed oo dhicis ah aadan galin So far so good. I can tell ya that folks in Gannaane seem to be sure of themselves for a good reason.

 

Remember JL proponents are supportive of their government -- fully supportive. That is -- they don't question its legitimacy but they do have reservation about its policy toward federalism and its implementation. Folks with different political goals and objectives have always clashed politically. This political difference between the opposing sides are conducted in peaceful manner. That's really great. We should be happy about this new developement.

 

They are for Somalia that gets its grooves back. They want to see a just government cognizant of its responsibilities and the rights of its citizens, mindful of the dark chapter the country has just emereged from, and willing to learn from the causes of the civil strife that descended the country into anarchy and so on.

 

For those who expect Somali civil war veterans to waive the flag and sing kumbaaya for the President a la Guulwade style awoowe you have my sympathy. That era is over. Twain said it best -- "Patriotism is supporting your COUNTRY all the time, and your government when it DESERVES it.

 

As the sarifaad biz you seemed to be peddling here in the forum -- awoowe it's all good. Clan segmentation is the oil that greases the partisan clan politics. Who knows what tomorrow may bring? We may see internal clashes due to untamed ambitions and what not. So far so good. Other than intensive campaigns and subclan horse trading things are proceeding exceptionally and smoothly wonderful.

 

Awoowe noted that you and a handful secessionists want to see a different results Understandable .

[Carafaat]

Baashi, you cant be serieuz sxb. You are allowed to defend uncle Yeey's borrowing of Ethiopian muscles(airplanes, tanks) to fight his war against a popular movement. But trying to justify his actions by comparing things which hardly can be compared is another.

 

Oodweyne seems to have hit a nerve by his comments on the borrowed muscles.

[Baashi]

Brilliant. Oodweyne contained his emotions. Bravo:)

 

True Ethiopian tanks did not run through dusty tarmac of Northwest, Awdal, Togdheer or Sanaag. But they didn't have to. You are missing the point awoowe.

 

The military junta was weakened by intenal uprising and external armed rebels armed, sheltered and supported by no other than Ethiopians you sem to despice when the other clan players allied themselves with.

 

The proxy war Ethiopia waged against the republic before and after the civil war is the big picture you should be looking at when you engage in the details of how the civil war was fought and its unfortunate consequences it brought to Somali masses.

 

Awoowe tookh eber ah baad haysaa ee waxaad ayaan darrada na wada heysa uga hadhaa:

 

Gacantii nin lihi goynaya waa gumuduntaaye,

Nin walaalkii geed ugu jiraa, geeshi noqon waa.

[Carafaat]

Oodweyne;941578 wrote:

Baashi,

 

Ethiopia never delivered hargeisa to the then SNM. Or for that matter delivered late Tuur in hargeisa on top of a tank. Nor did they fought for him and his rebel army from the border to all the way to hargeisa and to the other cities such as berberra and burco. In fact there was not a single city in whose it's capture could be said the Ethiopian was involved with their soldiers.

 

Listen folks I do understand that you are trying to cloth the old "stoogeism" of Ina Yey with some sort of "historical equivalence" with others, but I am afraid none exist.

Never before Yeey has a Somali brought foreign enemy troops in to Somali territories to fight Somalis. For that he always will be remembered.

[Carafaat]

I cant imagine any Somali Presidents ambition is to leave your country and seek refuge in a foreign country after your mandate, that was the fate of Abdullahi Yusuf(AUN). Unfortuantly his legacy is not something we can change here on this board, it is history and those facts speaks for themselves.

[Mintid Farayar]

Talk about paranoia at its highest peak Why are the Northerners discussing Kismayo?? Why won't they mind their business?

 

We discuss it b/c it's current news. No one is praying for war to break out. What we're commenting on is the political tussle behind the scenes between those who are in a hurry to set up a Jubbaland entity (in order to create irreversible facts on the ground, before the FG can modify the current constitution) and a FG determined to put a stop to this project. Overall, a very interesting contest to watch.

 

We discuss it just like we discuss all things Somali-related in this Forum... just like we've been discussing whether Siilaanyo will attend London 2 or not. You never heard us screaming "Why are you discussing SL issues?". That would be juvenile, to say the least.

 

So, a deep breath is warranted in certain corners.

 

Meanwhile, Mintid will stretch out on his lawn chair, with his masala chai in his hand, to watch the action, round by round, while enthusiastically commenting on the score, point by point

[Mintid Farayar]

Gentlemen,

 

Let some live with the A. Yusuf fantasies. The man brought momentary relief to some when he convinced them(for a brief few years) that the good, old days were just around the corner for a second time!

 

And then, they rudely awoke from the blissful dream to face the painful reality of the current situation....