Che -Guevara Posted March 3, 2013 Tallaabo..I would have said you but I hate stating the obvious. Xaaji....Stay neutral? Why? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Somalia Posted March 3, 2013 Qaldaans are so emotional right now, why u mad :D Are those tears, he is innocent according to the Somali government, we must respect the government's decision to protect a former official. He has diplomatic immunity now, the Somali government today exists again. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted March 3, 2013 ^ Who cares about him its all about justice he will die soon to no immunity will give the war criminal ever dignity, somalia as a former ssdf dhafoorqiiq you sure love the former kacaan generals:D Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted March 3, 2013 Xaaji Xunjuf;923518 wrote: ^ Who cares about him If you don't, why all the fuss? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Tallaabo Posted March 3, 2013 Che -Guevara;923522 wrote: If you don't, why all the fuss? We care about the feelings of his victims not the old man. We know he will never escape God's judgment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted March 3, 2013 Che -Guevara;923522 wrote: If you don't, why all the fuss? We dont care about him we care about the injustice he did to the people and that needs to be corrected, i could care less about him. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted March 3, 2013 Tallaabo;923528 wrote: We care about the feelings of his victims not the old man. We know he will never escape God's judgment. You do care what happens to him. And seriously, You KNOW he will never escape God's judgement? I am guessing you will escape HIS judgement? Let's not get God involved in this. Xaaji,,,,you care about what happens, same difference mate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Somalia Posted March 3, 2013 Xaaji Xunjuf;923518 wrote: ^ Who cares about him its all about justice he will die soon to no immunity will give the war criminal ever dignity, somalia as a former ssdf dhafoorqiiq you sure love the former kacaan generals:D Well, he's an old man so I find this very unjustified, that's why this kacaan man has escaped the wrath of my keyboard. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted March 3, 2013 Somalia;923547 wrote: Well, he's an old man so I find this very unjustified, that's why this kacaan man has escaped the wrath of my keyboard. So old men should be excused , slobadan Milosevic should have been excused to right he was an old man the same as sadam hussein he was old to with a big grey beard Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saalax Posted March 3, 2013 Xukumadda Somaliland Oo Dalabka Somaliya Ee Dacwada Cali Samatar Ku Tilmaantay Mid Jaarnimada Labada Wadan Xumaynaysa Iyo Faahfaahina Ka Bixisay Halka Uu Marayo Wada Hadaladii Ka Dhaxeeyey Hargeysa (Ramaas), March, 03, 2013- Xukuumadda Somaliland ayaa jawaab ka bixisay dalabka ay dawladda Somaliya ku doonayso in hoos loo dhigo dacwada ka dhanka ah Cali Samatar ee lagaga soo oogay maxkamad ku taala Mareykanka. Wasiir ku xigeenka wasaaradda arrimaha dibada Mawliid Maxamed Ibraahim ayaa arintan kaga hadlay waraysi uu maanta siiyey Telefishanka Qaranka Somalilanda, waxaanu tilmaamay in ay arintani sii xumaynayso xidhiidhka labada dal. Wasiir ku xigeenka oo dalabka dawladda Somaliya ku doonayso in hoos loo dhigo dacwada Cali Samatar ka hadlayaa waxa uu yidhi “Arrinta Maxkamada Maxamed Cali Samatar ee ka soctay dalka Maraykanka waxay ahayd arrin u taala waddankaas, waxaan u arkaynaa faragalinta ay Madaxda Somaaliya faragalinayaan gardaro cadaana oo loo gaysanaayo shacabka Somaliland, kuwaas oo uu hore ugu geystay danbiyo aadame Maxamed Cali Samatar, wakhtigii uu xilka hayay, waxaanu markaas annagu leenahay arrintaas dawladda aanu jaarka nahay ee Somaaliya haka dayso faragalinta, waayo waxay sii xumaynaysaa uun jaarnimadii naga dhaxaysay.” Wasiir ku-xigeenka arrimaha dibadda Somaliland. Mud: Mawliid Maxamed Ibrahaim wuxuu sidoo kale ka hadlay wadahadaladii labada dal ee Somaliland iyo Somalia ka dhaxeeyey, waxaanu madaxda Somaliya ka dalbaday inay ixtiraamaan heshiiskii lagu gaadhay. “Arrinta wadahadalada labada dal, mid cad ayuu ahaa adduunkuna ogaa. Lakiin siday hadda u dhigayaan Madaxda Somaliya waa mid midow iyo riyo aan ku jirin ku qotoma, taas annaga xaggayaga mid joogta maaha, mid wadahadalka ku jirtayna maaha, Waxaanu u soo jeedinaynaa inay Madaxda Somaaliya ixtiramaan heshiiskii beesha caalamku goobjoga ka ahayd ee London iyo Dubai.” Ayuu yidhi Wasiir Mawliid oo ka hadlayey wada hadalka Somaliland iyo Somaliya ka dhaxeeyey. Ramaasnews Desk Hargeysa Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saalax Posted March 3, 2013 http://www.ramaasnews.com/index.php/News/News/Xukumadda-Somaliland-Oo-Dalabka-Somaliya-Ee-Dacwada-Cali-Samatar-Ku-Tilmaantay-Mid-Jaarnimada-Labada-Wadan-Xumaynaysa-Iyo-Faahfaahina-Ka-Bixisay-Halka-Uu-Marayo-Wada-Hadaladii-Ka-Dhaxeeyey.html#sthash.q9uQ7TZ5.dpuf Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saalax Posted March 3, 2013 Xukuumadda Somaliland oo ka hadashay Cafis la sheegay in Dawladda Somaaliya ay Maraykanka u weydiinayso gacan ku dhiigle Maxamed Cali Samatar. http://oodweynenews.com/2013/03/xukuumadda-somaliland-oo-ka-hadashay-cafis-la-sheegay-in-dawladda-somaliya-maraykanka-u-weydiinayso-maxamed-cali-samatar/ Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Somalia Posted March 3, 2013 Xaaji Xunjuf;923550 wrote: So old men should be excused , slobadan Milosevic should have been excused to right he was an old man the same as sadam hussein he was old to with a big grey beard It's not the same. 1. It's selective justice. You are not putting people on trial who are in your own 'country', yet you want others to stand trial. In Somaliland, you've given asylum to members of the Kacaan while wanting to prosecute others, I find this very troubling. 2. He is a frail and truly powerless man. 3. Because the only one who seem to target is from a minority clan, it makes it even worse because you don't target other members such as General Morgan who is living in Kenya, why is that? Mr Morgan was head of operations, he carried out many of the tasks! As the offspring of true kacaandiids who shed a lot of blood against the vermin, I believe we must move on but not forget the 'Somali Democratic Republic'. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mintid Farayar Posted March 3, 2013 A lot of empty emotion here from certain corners.... General Samater was found guilty in a Civil Case in the U.S. under its mature legal system. Expecting this day for decades, the General cleverly transferred all his assets to his children and close relatives so no assets under his name would be penalized by the 'obvious' court decision (whenever that day came). His assets are periodically monitored by the legal team of the wronged parties forcing the General to live a lifestyle beneath what he was previously used to. This is only the latest chapter in Somalilanders' quest to get legal amends for crimes committed against the majority population in Somaliland during the Barre era. In the '90s, due to legal actions by Somalilanders, Canada decreed that no Somali military official with the rank of Colonel or higher could seek asylum there. This forced many war criminals enjoying the Canadian high life to immediately vacate the country. Samater has been found guilty and then proceeded to admit to the charges under the reasoning that he was only performing his job during the massacres. The request by the Mogadishu Gov't remains just that currently - just a request. It hasn't been approved or even considered by the U.S. Justice system. As for Morgan, he lives in Kenya and we all know how that legal system(just like many other African legal systems) works. Whoever pays the most wins the case. So comparing a case against him to a case against another in an advanced Western democracy is simply delusional. A whole lot of empty emotion on these boards changes nothing on the ground. It's relatively easy to prove these cases in the West given the abundance of de-classified information available from Western embassies concerning the atrocities committed by the previous military gov't (Barre regime). If some have proof of crimes committed by Somaliland officials/citizens against others in the Somali family, the Western courts are wide open. And I don't think those same courts are manned by either of our clans So that road is wide open. The legal battle continues... P.S. As for Samater, while we're unable to bring him to justice in Somaliland, we hope to keep him destitute and living at the margins of society for the rest of his remaining days here on Earth. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Saalax Posted March 3, 2013 Muhammad Ali Samatar was the Prime Minister of Somalia from 1 February 1987 to 3 September 1990 only second in command to Siad Bare. Mohamed Ali Samatar was part of the Somali Revolutionary Socialist Party, and was an important official in the government of Siad Barre. He served as a general in the Somali Armed Forces, as Defense Minister from 1980 to 1986, and as Prime Minister from February 1, 1987 to September 3, 1990. https://sites.google.com/site/mudanedhagaweyne/home/samatar Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
