Arms Embargo should only be Lifted When Government Creates Viable National Army, Recruited from All

[xiinfaniin]

^We are not privy to the policy formulation of current government, angry Liqaye. It is funny that you are confirming the concerns articulated in the article above, unwittingly endorsing the very need of having checks and balances as a reflection of current mistrust and political reality on the ground. In other words the points raised in the article stand unscathed. Any impartial observer of Somali politics would most likely agree with what is said in the write up above. But you....see xiinfaniin

 

Questioning some one's sincerity or lack thereof, is, shall we say, a measure of the accuser's intelligence and maturity. You need to grow thick skin waryaa, or ka fiirso markaad dadka masaakiinta ee la qaxiyey aad ku tilmaamayso inay hargab bestood layihiin ooy u baahanyihiin xerooyin ay ku qufacaan in xamar looga sameeyo...haddaan iri hadkaasi waa kii mo0ryaanta sow gar ma joogo? xoogaa ingiriisaad intaa meelaha kusoo qorqorta baad rabtaa inaad caqliyadaa la baxsato oo aniga dawladnimo iga xigsato, ood wadaniyad iyo midnimo iiga sheekayso! Awoowe xiinfaniin macno ugama fadhiyaan dadka sidaadoo kale dagaalada sokeeye ku dallacay oo hadda derajada loo tolay oo ku faanna inay kacaan soomaaliya ka dhaliyeen intay caruur iyo dumar, waayeel, dal iyo dawlanima dubteen.

 

Is gaabi waryaa

[Daqane]

As usual xiin as I stated earlier you have brought nothing to the discussion of any sincerity beyond as I stated earlier covering yourself with the laurels of a policy you were the first to dismiss as the arming of benadiir militia

You did literally what I said you would do dear, in black and white earlier on in this discussion, you must change your modus operandi, repeating the same thing over and over in the hope of a change is the surest sign of an ossified clan mentality .

 

Questioning some one's sincerity or lack thereof, is, shall we say, a measure of the accuser's intelligence and maturity. You need to grow thick skin waryaa, or ka fiirso markaad dadka masaakiinta ee la qaxiyey aad ku tilmaamayso inay hargab bestood layihiin ooy u baahanyihiin xerooyin ay ku qufacaan in xamar looga sameeyo...haddaan iri hadkaasi waa kii mo0ryaanta sow gar ma joogo? xoogaa ingiriisaad intaa meelaha kusoo qorqorta baad rabtaa inaad caqliyadaa la baxsato oo aniga dawladnimo iga xigsato, ood wadaniyad iyo midnimo iiga sheekayso! Awoowe xiinfaniin macno ugama fadhiyaan dadka sidaadoo kale dagaalada sokeeye ku dallacay oo hadda derajada loo tolay oo ku faanna inay kacaan soomaaliya ka dhaliyeen intay caruur iyo dumar, waayeel, dal iyo dawlanima dubteen.

I do not to do all that, that is the patented xiinfaniin formula, attempt to color every normal procedure a legitimate government takes as a win for beesha and tolka, failing that when every thing goes opposite to the clan cantrabaqash your mentality is solely capable of producing, term it as part of the grand master plan that tolka have put into motion fari qorrax ma qariso, T.B is a killer warya,taasi uun haa ku dambeeyn yaa xiinow, waan kuu jeeda inaad meesha ku xiiqsatay.

 

Waxaad somalinimo iyo sinaan ka garaneeysiid majiirto ee meesha amisom iyo international community waax aad diciin kariin ka suug.

 

Nin geed gali jirey geed loo ma galo

 

Keep on talking about liqaye saaxi, he is enjoying a milkshake on the beaches of the capital of the somali republic.

 

Macasalama.

[xiinfaniin]

^^Iisoo noq noqo, Liqaye

 

Waxaan iri waa iri. Beeshuu waa Soomaali, lagana adkaan waa awoowe. Dawlidnimo loogama maarmo. 20 sano oo mo0ryaanimo iyo ba'a iyo hooga baad ka dhaxashay dadkii aad qaxisay ood guryahoodii degtay, oo gabdhahoodi kufsatay. Waa kuwaa Puntland iyo Jubaland dhisanaya ood maanta ka maarmmi la'dahay ee yuusan hadal kaa tegin waryaa.

 

Hadda waxaad nagula doodaysaa yaan guryihii laga hadal :D, weligay tanoo kale

 

ps. maad thread ka kale na keentid, oo tan rag waaweyn baan ugu talagalayey ii daysid waryaa ?

[xiinfaniin]

Lifting arms embargo on Somalia will allow the government in Mogadishu to beef up its fledgling and almost nonexistent security forces. If the Security Council grants this government its wish the event will mark the first baby steps of the government to wrest sovereignty away from the armed marauding clannish groupings, religious fanatics and yes even AMISOM.

 

From that perspective it is good and positive step and many Somalis welcome this new development with great delight. As of today the embargo is still firmly in place. Whether UN Security Council agrees to lift or not is something to be seen.

 

If and when the arms embargo is lifted, however, existing balance of power within Somalia will be severely disturbed. And if the fallout of this seismic change (in Somali political meter) is not managed with much care or left unchecked there are fears that may lead to a repeat of civil wars of nineties. This is an area of great concern to many Somalis.

 

It should be noted that the whole political system is in state of flux. Draft Constitution (incomplete and rushed document) calls for Federalism. The elected government in Mogadishu, which is tasked to implement it, argues that it does not have a mandate to do that until the document is put to a referendum. Realistically speaking, a referendum is at least four years away given the political, economic and, above all, security situation of the country. President Hassan’s government, banking on this reality, wants to modify it unilaterally (without regional autonomies input) and ramp through the parliament.

 

Puntland State – regional autonomy in the Northeast and parts of Central Somalia – does not want to do anything with strong central government with its seat in Mogadishu. Somaliland – self-declared independent state in Northwest Somalia – is seeking independence and wants to be recognized as a separate state.

 

The disagreement about the very social contract that should be bounding all these different constituencies lays bare the weaknesses of the negotiated settlement reached last year that ended the Transitional period. This weakness stems from the fact that political stakeholders namely Somaliland, Puntland, and rest of Somalia have different understanding of what this settlement entails.

 

Each has its own understanding of what system of governance the country should be adopting going forward. Government in Mogadishu thinks there is room to modify the constitution and it does not hide the fact, however subtle, that it prefers strong central unitary state.

 

Garowe assures its constituents that it has inserted strong safeguards in the constitution and the power to govern will be shared by regional states. In other words the country will adopt a form of government in which sovereignty is constitutionally divided between central governing authority and regional states.

 

Hargeysa has not directly participated in the political wrangling over the negotiated settlement – at least at government level – and as such claims it will only talk to Somali government on one single topic and that is separation. The political elite in the region hinted that short of complete and amicable secession they might consider Confederacy.

 

And last but not least proponents of Sharia-based system of governance believe that the silent majority of the population irrespective of clan affiliation Political Islam is their preference system of governance. They think if credible and well-respected cleric who transcends clan sensibilities runs on Sharia political platform the chances are he would win the presidency with comfortable margin.

[Daqane]

loool xiin mala yaacni ayaad weliga aheyd ee article kalee soo copy paste gareey....:rolleyes:

 

@ apophis then my response should be sufficient.

[Haatu]

Cajiib. Mararka qaar odeygan (Xiin) wuu isku darsama. Even Somalia ayaa ka caqli badiye. Waayeelnimo ha lagu qoro.

 

Xiinow, does the government represent one clan? Also, what is this rubbish insinuation that the writer seems to be pushing that the government is against Federalism? From what we've heard from the President himself is that Federalism is the way the country has adopted and his government will work within its frameworks. As for recruiting soldiers from Xamar only, what nonsense. Isn't the government in control of Jubbooyinka (some of it), Gedo, Galgaduud? Are all these areas one clan areas? As for P/land, if soldiers are not recruited from there then it has only itself to blame. If it happens then that is the result of its isolationism and its refusal to bow down to the central government of Somalia.

[Haatu]

xiinfaniin;917705 wrote:

Tolow Nin-Yaaban maxaa qaniinay?

 

Like NN said , this is a legitimate issue and Somali people will continue to weigh in. It is not about xiinfaniin, ya gushuush. It is about Somalia.

 

As for Liqaye's new (new because he had a little more decorum than this before), open mo0ryaanism, and Irirsm nonsense that brought STOIC and co on board, that i say does nothing to change reality on the ground. Somalia needs to re institute its armed forces, it needs to build a cohesive national army. With Mogadishu as the current center of power, such all inclusive national army is not logistically, and politically possible. All the article suggested is the creation of bases and training centers with collaboration of current political stakeholders (i.e. Puntland, Somaliland, Khatumo, Galmadug, Jubba ...) . In other words, the wolf shouldn't be left to tend to the sheep again without safeguards and protection (and that is for my old friend Liqaye)

So now even the military is to be devolved? So the clan states are to have their own personal armies as a "safeguard"?

[Daqane]

Haatu;917759 wrote:

Cajiib. Mararka qaar odeygan (Xiin) wuu isku darsama. Even Somalia ayaa ka caqli badiye. Waayeelnimo ha lagu qoro.

 

Xiinow, does the government represent one clan? Also, what is this rubbish insinuation that the writer seems to be pushing that the government is against Federalism? From what we've heard from the President himself is that Federalism is the way the country has adopted and his government will work within its frameworks. As for recruiting soldiers from Xamar only, what nonsense. Isn't the government in control of Jubbooyinka (some of it), Gedo, Galgaduud? Are all these areas one clan areas? As for P/land, if soldiers are not recruited from there then it has only itself to blame. If it happens then that is the result of its isolationism and its refusal to bow down to the central government of Somalia.

Loool haatu I wonder what you will be accused of this time, maybe expect a talking down from an older wiser man wink wink nudge nudge, or better yet our new term of the week bolitikal leverage, even apophis is making more sense.

[Daqane]

Haatu;917759 wrote:

Cajiib. Mararka qaar odeygan (Xiin) wuu isku darsama. Even Somalia ayaa ka caqli badiye. Waayeelnimo ha lagu qoro.

 

Xiinow, does the government represent one clan? Also, what is this rubbish insinuation that the writer seems to be pushing that the government is against Federalism? From what we've heard from the President himself is that Federalism is the way the country has adopted and his government will work within its frameworks. As for recruiting soldiers from Xamar only, what nonsense. Isn't the government in control of Jubbooyinka (some of it), Gedo, Galgaduud? Are all these areas one clan areas? As for P/land, if soldiers are not recruited from there then it has only itself to blame. If it happens then that is the result of its isolationism and its refusal to bow down to the central government of Somalia.

Loool haatu I wonder what you will be accused of this time, since stoic was accused of bringing back irirism by our resident nationalist, maybe expect a talking down from an older wiser man wink wink nudge nudge, or better yet our new term of the week bolitikal leverage, even apophis is making more sense.

[Haatu]

Some people cannot even reason rationally when the "fits" (qabyaalad) return. Old Xiin is a periodical sufferer.

[Mooge]

lol. haatu is wellknown mole pretenting to belong to Abtigiis clan but reality is that he is from USC clan in kenya.

[xiinfaniin]

Yes Mogadishu is a one clan city today. Recruitment from it will constitute for empowering one side of the Somali conflict. If that makes xiinfaniin a qabiilist so be it.

 

Haatu is Haatu.

[Haatu]

Your skirting around the question. What about Baay/Bakool, Gedo, J/Hoose, Galgaduud, Mudug. Pray do tell, are these only one clan areas?

 

Mooge, I would be honoured to be of the D-oodi. Such a nice and funny bunch.

[xiinfaniin]

^^I thought you wouldn't waste your time discussing consequential issues like the one raised in this article with a sufferer of qabyaalad like xiin

[Haatu]

Wakaa old Xiin at his tricks again. Its a shame the Old man of the North (Oodka) isn't here to knock some sense into you.