Xasuuq 1991

[Che -Guevara]

The retreating forces did do serious damage, robbed, raped and killed everything and everyone their way. In turn, fugees paid the price and Osman Caato paid reer Hiiraan in kind.

[Jacpher]

^To them Barre regime was a d-block clan entity thus the clan is responsible for the regime, in the eyes of these guys. But what clan did Barre regime left untouched? None.

[Che -Guevara]

Apophis;917746 wrote:

^ You're confusing state led killings and clan led killings. To me, the latter is more heinous, as happened in Mogadishu

The retreating army was entirely Ds and they included dhafoor qiiq. The system broke down by 1990. But about Barre regime, everbody dutifully served it until their clan became a target.

[Daqane]

Apophis;917756 wrote:

@Jac and we know it wasn't. It was manned by all clans. That's what the evidence shows.

 

@ Che: that is a myth sxb. the retreating forces consisted of everybody.

you right another myth is reconciliation.

[Che -Guevara]

Maybe when they first left waqooyi but I know this much by the time, they reached the South, it was largerly Ds. They reinforced troops in the Caymiska and massacred people at warshada baastada.

[Haatu]

Apophis;917766 wrote:

First you said

"The retreating army was entirely Ds "

now you're saying

"it was largerly Ds"

. You seem to be making it up as you type. All we can say for sure is that SNA elements retreated from North to South. We don't know their clan composition.

Give up sxb. Che was there.

[Che -Guevara]

Apo....It was all Ds. Troops belonging to H tribes were given safe passages through Ethiopia. Ds made their way South through sheer force. They killed and robbed.

[Jacpher]

^If the state existed and the military orders were given by the state head, what difference does it make what the army clan was? Isn't the state ultimately responsible for the army?

[Che -Guevara]

Lets be honest, there was no State since the SNA lost waqooyi.

[Jacpher]

@che, going with that logic, d-block is responsible for the crimes committed in SL, not the regime since the army was led by you know. Right? I am not justifying what took place here but where does the buck stop?

[Che -Guevara]

Apo..The argument is wether targeting civilians is justified? These troops massacred civilians just as USC did in Xamar, we can argue which one was more severe.

 

 

 

Jach...the Somali state was still intact in 88 and soldiers of tribe took part as just they did in Mudug.

[Jacpher]

^Wasn't the state intact and responsible for its army until it vacated its seat in Villa Somalia?

[Che -Guevara]

Now you are splitting hairs.

[Che -Guevara]

Apophis;917781 wrote:

No that's not the argument. The question is whether the two scenerious discussed can be compared. On the one hand, you have the state (consisting of all the clans) doing what it has to, to survive. And on the other, you have one specific tribe deciding to target another specific tribe. The kacaan government attacked all the tribes who were against it (including d-block), the same cannot be said for the people who attacked Mogadishu. Apples and Mangoes.

The circumstances were obviously different, one was systemic cleansing of a tribe and the other a wholesale destruction of towns and people by SNA which by then was D-force.

[Jacaylbaro]

The Somaliland Model is working just Fine ...... I'm glad people realize the importance of this after 20 years of "Soomaali waa is wada dishay, xaad ka hadlaysaan?" thing ......

 

 

Allah ha u naxariisto intii xaq darrada lagu laayay ....