Barre Hiiraale Kismayo is under Kenyan occupation

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

http://caasimada.com/bare-hiiraale-oo-war-culus-ka-dhawaajiyay/

[oba hiloowlow]

interesting laakin what the hell is he doing in xamar? Gedo needs him badly

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Maybe its the capital of his country

[oba hiloowlow]

waar xamar is the capital laakin dee what happened to the operations in Gedo thats what im talking about

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Ooh you mean liberation of baardheere well i am not sure Barre is not a member of the Somalia army he was a freelance warlord and got lots of assistance and logistics from the ethiopians. His clan is against a clan state in Kismayo before the regions of gedo are fully liberated and middle juba.

[oba hiloowlow]

^^

That makes sense runtii maxaa logu degdegaya this formation when only few towns are liberated. Hala xoreeyo dhulka dhamaan kedbna shirweyne ha lagu qabto kismaayo odayasha,waxgaradka,siyaasiinta,haweenka,culimada. Sidaas bey xalku ku jirtaa baan qabaa anigu

[Haatu]

This warlord represents no one.

[Che -Guevara]

I guess he prefers Ethiopian occupation.

[somalee]

I didn't open the link you posted but Barre has no business saying anything about Kismayo. He had brief spells controlling the city as a brutal warlord together with his goons, so what? That somehow has made his clansmen believe somewhat Kismayo belongs to them, which is quite laughable.

[Mintid Farayar]

To update those who haven't been following this debate here on SOL:

 

Oodweyne;911214 wrote:

Xiiny

,

 

Remember, that the composition of any likely governing council of Jubbaland will consist of many clans. Hence, there is many clans that are - shall we say -

"susceptible"

to the political influence and financial blandishment of the government of Mugadishu.

 

And, in that sense, the federal government does not have to touch this issue directly, but it could play through those clans so that the influence of Mugadishu will be felt in the street of Kismayo without Hassan Sheikh appointing the traffic warden for the streets of Kismayo.

 

In other words, notice how our old friend

Gabbal

and his

"clannish clique"

are forever coming across as if they are

"beholden"

to some folks in Mugadishu, and therefore, through them, one can say the current government in Xamar will have a large influence at the creation of that new region call Jubbaland.

 

Furthermore, our friend,

Gabbal

, will even admits to himself (if not to us) that his clan, when shove come to shovel, will always carry into the city of Kismayo whatever

"political tidings"

that may gladden the folks of xamar, so long as the current

PM

remain in his post in Xamar.

 

This is a sort of

"influence transmitting"

from Xamar to Kismayo, I am talking about. Which means, one could see a way in which the center of the country will bring a most telling

"affect"

into that city of Kismayo, or at least bring her to heel without having to run the place by themselves.

 

And, as you know, there is no comparable

"influence transmitting"

mechanism (or shall we say clan) that are to be found in pirate-land or in Somaliland, which in turn, the federal government in Xamar could use them as a

"tool"

to which to influence those places.

 

Do you understand my argument now, saaxiib?

 

 

xiinfaniin;911225 wrote:

^^Oodweyne,

 

I perfectly understand the political dynamics and clannish settings of Kismayo. And believe me the demands of Mogadishu will be along the lines of sharing the revenues of city's prized harbor and airport , and from commerce activities of its two borders. And that is something that Kismayo administration will be readily satisfy.

 

In other words, there will not be any contest from Mogadishu to put Kismayo in its sphere of influence. This assummes Mogadishu itself remains in the hands of certain communities and has not been redefined politically to become more inclusive, For if that has been achieved , it will go long way to resolve the mistrust that is the bedrock of this federalism political arrangement.

 

As for Gabal's folks and their role, a lot has changed, and there is a reason why SOL is not witnessing the political infighting that characterized Kismayo politics amongst Dukes, Gabals, and Professor Abtigiis's of the region. The challenges have been redefined, and a new scheme has been set up to deal with you and Abwaans ...so update yourself waryaa

 

 

Oodweyne;911248 wrote:

^^^

Xiiny

,

 

Well, if the intra-tolka fighting has been straighten out, then, I suppose it is all to the good. But, still a little birds tells me (or at least nag me with it) that the first time the

"division"

of the spoils of the offices for jubbaland state is contemplated it, will be when this

"feign love of brotherhood"

will meet it's natural demise and we will in turn see our

Dukey

, in his usual way, biting viciously, the ankle of our good friend

Gabal

...

 

Hence, as a betting man, I would put good money for us to see such spectacle as soon as this thing call Jubbaland gets to be established, officially, on the ground in the region..

:D

 

 

xiinfaniin;911253 wrote:

There is active supplication from certain corners for an intra tolka political conflict to arise again. But Somalia as a whole has made a headway toward political stability, we even expect Xamar to sort its internal politics out, hence the establishment of Jubbaland will only strengthen Duke-Gabal-Abtigiis block, not divide it. The cooperation will go even beyond internal borders, pulling Garisa and Jigjiga into the arrangement as well.

 

Waryaa waxbaa ku dhaafay, ee halay warramo dheh

 

 

xiinfaniin;911269 wrote:

The problem with Mintid and certain individuals in this fora is they have resolved to perceive particular regions/communities in a certain way that is contrary to the reality on the ground. No matter what evidence they are presented with, Mintid and co will always repeat soothing slogans to depict Puntland and the looming Jubbaland based on the said perception.

 

Puntland is not a dream. Jubbaland is not a dream. Somalia's revival is not a dream. What is clearly a dream is the notion of three Mothers in the North becoming an independent country

 

 

Mintid Farayar;911278 wrote:

Oodka,

 

Ethiopia is having a difficult time restraining Barre Hiraale and co. It's all about the port proceeds and personalities. Don't entertain grand illusions from some of a 'grand understanding' between various segments of a clan-family. And thus far, Madobe has been in no mood to share the loot. Same cycle, different day....

 

It's within this context that the statements from Barre Hiraale must be taken, given the scramble for the Jubbas.

 

Oodweyne,

 

Some on SOL, while claiming to be well-informed on the situation in the Jubbas, are blinded by an emotional desire for certain mythical coalitions which prevents them from fully grasping the challenges ahead for the various groups competing for this rich territory.

[Waranle_Warrior]

There is no room for the likes of Barre - no more warlords. He should stop using Gedo clans name, they have moved on from that era.

[Gabbal]

Barre did not say Kismaayo is under Kenyan occupation per se. He announced the sole control of Kismaayo currently rests with Kenya with the acceptance of the Somali government. His speech was more a call to action of his clan whom he has observed is not currently pulling the weight it wields. Here is a full transcript:

 

“Ragg baa Jubaland ,Jubaland yiri, Kismaanyo iyo Jubaland* ********* waa dagay ama Axmed Madoobe ha xukumo ama Barre Hiiraale ha xukumo ama Jareer haxukumo,********** meeshaas waana degny,Laakiin hadii uu karti u waayo* inuu isku duubnaado oo Somalida intuu kasbado hogaanka qabsado huu waayo , dadka ku ganacsanaya dhulkaasi istaraatiijiyada ah degan ee dhistay* ee ku nool bay kamid noqden”.

 

”Somali oo dhan ayaa baa meesha jubaland la yiraahdo* degta, Gedo ka bilow Jubada hoose ku dhamee, Somali oo dhan wax inagala dhaxeeyo meel cidla ah yaan ku lug go”ine, Inaan inaga intaan isku duubano aanan Somali ku milmin oo Somali kooxba intay* dhinac naga soo gasho na goosanin, Meesha Kismaanyo la yiraahdo dowlad baa haysata Kenya haysata, dadka ku wareersan ee leh ****** ba haysta iyo waxa haysta *****lax, dadka yaan la jahawareerin, Meesha Kenya, Kenyana waxaa ku heysata dowlada Somaliya, Barnaamijkaas** Somaliya ayuu u yaalaa iyo Kenya”.

 

”Laakiin Marka Kenya iyo Somaliya Barnaamijkooda halkaas la dhigo adiga maxaa kuu diyaarsan meesha waa la isugu tagayaaye, ninkii imbishin lahowna diyaar garoow* ilaahey ragbuu naga dhigaye,* Dooloow ilaa Raskamboni Geelooda unbaa* qalow qalowda kuwada hayaa, Hadaan Ilahey quwadeena naga qadinin Jubaland dadka jooga 80% oo Somalida kale waa na ogolyihiin, hadaanan inagu is afgaran waaynin oo waxii hada laga sheekeynayay anyan* ku jujuubin ee* ku raaci* maayo iyo* na raac iyo macagiisi iwm taasina wax jiro waaye”.

 

” Dadkan waxay ubaahanyahay ragg usha u jabsada oo ka xaysta ragg iyo dumarba inta iskugu tagaan shir loo qabto yaa loo baahanyahay, waxaa weeyaann shaqadi meesha ay ka haleysantahay yaynan* ka warwareegine intii toos loo wajaho geed ha loo waabo dadka hala heshiisiiyo, hala mideeyo,kuligeen aan ku fikirno inaan Jubaland hogaan keeda qabano” Ayuu hadalkiisa ku soo gaba gabeeyay Col: Barre Hiiraale oo ku sugan Magaalada Muqdisho.

He was in a meeting designed to encourage Ahmed Farah Ducaale for political leadership in the Jubbaland formation.

 

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

Another washed up warlord who has nothing of value to add to what's happening in jubaland.