oba hiloowlow Posted January 24, 2013 Carafaat;911877 wrote: So, this initiative to form a clan "State" includes Gedo and Jubada Dhexe. Clearly that would make forming Jubbaland quite challenging. Or maybe even make federalism impossible. you gotta love these onions of clan states. im telling you Federalism aint gonna work xiinow balaayo bu ku jiraa i mean HAG is a equal competitor laakin he aint got no chance against the maay maay folks wallee Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted January 24, 2013 Problem carafaat is that Jubada dhexe is very mixed territory. While the lower jubba is predominately Azania territory, so the lower jubba and gedo are forced to make a state. But knowing the clan dynamics and the rivalries between these 2 clans its hard for them to compromise. Thats why right now they are cooking a sub clan conference in Garowe Faroole is hosting this special conference. The Mayor of garisa was invited he is currently in garowe. The president of the liyuu police Ileey might also come and Professor Gandi is also invited. Axmed blackie how ever is not coming he preferred dealing with HAG instead. And they might reach an agreement he is due to arrive in Xamar soon. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carafaat Posted January 24, 2013 Somalia Provincial structures should not be changed. Gedo folks should stay in Gedo, Baidoa folks in Baidoa, Bakool in Bakool, Jubada hoose in Jubada Hoose, O folks in Kenya Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted January 24, 2013 In a normal Country yes but in a society as that of Somalia where clan is everything and people are suspicious and distrust each other. You will hear elders screaming we are guarding the clan interest. Clan identity is stronger than National interests. So people prefer clan federalism Carafaat you know i am against clan federalism. But let people experiment with the clan federalism project and when it doesn't work. They can always say we tried it didn't work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oba hiloowlow Posted January 24, 2013 war it will lead to a new 91 this federalism dhul baa laisku dili doona Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted January 24, 2013 Federalism could have worked in Somalia if created states of mixed clan territories for instance Nugaal Bari Mudug Galguduud Hiiraan Shabelede dhexe Shabelede hoose Bay Bakool Gedo Jubada dhexe Jubbada hoose Banadir Federal zone If people did that you will have mixed states and it will create a healthy living society Federalism is not bad but if its implemented in the correct way it can work. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oba hiloowlow Posted January 24, 2013 Xaaji Xunjuf;911897 wrote: Federalism could have worked in Somalia if created states of mixed clans for instance Nugaal Bari Mudug Galguduud Hiiraan Shabelede dhexe Shabelede hoose Bay Bakool Gedo Jubada dhexe Jubbada hoose Banadir Federal zone If people did that you will have mixed states and it will create a healthy living society Federalism is not bad but if its implemented in the correct way. This man understands I salute you! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xabad Posted January 24, 2013 what about sool, sanaag, awdal, togdheer, waqooyi galbeed. your geography is not up to date XX Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted January 24, 2013 Xabad since Somaliland never signed or worked with Somalia on federalism or the so called road map or any other sort of federal framework with Somalia.We can say Somaliland is not involved in this. And the Somaliland and Somalia status and their future relations will be determined by the upcoming talks marka haka deg degin adeer. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xabad Posted January 24, 2013 Ok how about each gobol like say lower jubba becomes a state i.e the 18 former provinces becomes states. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar Posted January 25, 2013 Horta ma aaminsani wax la yiraahdo iskutag (federalism), Soomaaliyana kama dhaqangali karo. Soomaali micnaha 'federalism' ayaaba ka maqan fahankeeda, iskaba dhaaf inay ku dhaqanto. Laakiin waxaa la yaabay kuwa buun buuniyo 'Jubbaland' haddana la yaabaayo shirkaan camal oo lix gobol la isku daro la rabo. Dadkaas la baxay 'Jubbaland' oo isleh waxaa wadatiin magacii Ingiriiska ugu wici jiray meelahaas, wax ayaa ka qaldan. Why? Because haddee jirtaba dhul la isku dhihi jiray 'Jubbaland' tan hadda la rabo in loogu wanqalo ma'aha. Haddee Jubbaland jiri jirtayna Jubbada Hoose kaliya ayee ahayd. Laakiin Alta Jubba ayaa jiri jirtay oo Talyaaniga dhoob dhoobay, kana koobneyd Gedo, Bakool, Jubbada Dhexe iyo Baay. Gobolkaas ayaana jiray until dowladii Kacaanka u kala qeybisay gobollada hadda jiro ee Jubbada Dhexe, Baay, Bakool iyo Gedo. Dowladihii Cabdullaahi Ciise hoggaamin jiray, tii Aaden Cadde iyo tii C/rashiid Cali Sharmaarkeba halkaas gobol ayaa xildhibaanada laga soo dooran jiray. [Source] Degmooyinkii Alta Jubba (aka Upper Jubba) ka koobnaan jirtay oo meeshaan ku qoran, with their current gobolo ku jiraan degmooyinkaan in brackets: Baydhabo (Baay) Buurhakaba (Baay) Baardheera (Gedo) Dajuuma (Jubbada Dhexe) Saakoow (Jubbada Dhexe) Diinsoor (Baay) Qansaxdheere (Baay) Luuq (Gedo) Dooloow (Gedo) Ceelwaaq (Gedo) Xuddur (Bakool) Tiyeegloow (Bakool) Waajid (Bakool) You can clearly see Jubbada Hoose (Lower Jubba) was always separate. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xabad Posted January 25, 2013 federalism is an insurance policy. it would have helped RRA folks when they were being pillaged, murdered and raped by the heartless warlords. having a federal level government capacity would have mitigated the famines in RRA-land. federalism will take time to be perfected but is much better than centralized disaster we had. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
xabad Posted January 25, 2013 Heavy Action Gun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Taleexi Posted January 25, 2013 Xaaji Xunjuf;911872 wrote: Xaasha nin weyn baan ahay hooyo waxba kama sheegin ,slaamoyinka oo dhan ya ku yidhi hooyooyin weye imisa ayaan waxba dhalin. Kuwaan waxba dhalin baanba ugu jeclahay. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
