U.S. to recognize Somali government, opening door to new aid

[Mintid Farayar]

Che -Guevara;909282 wrote:

Mintid....regardless, this was big one for Xamar..

Che,

There's no denying that....

 

But let's not blow the situation out of proportion. It's a huge diplomatic coup for Mogadishu. Let's see how far Mogadishu can carry the ball without dropping it....

 

Hassan Sheikh's recent actions, while vexing for the Somaliland administration, are not existentially threatening. Before that day comes, he'll need to overcome the Jubba challenge, followed by Puntland. The real question is why Hassan Sheikh needs to stick the finger in the Somaliland eye, not by seeking diplomatic recognition, but by appointing the Somaliland ministers in his gov't? And don't tell me it's b/c of the 4.5, because he's abandoned that formula from the beginning in the cabinet make-up.

 

Our criticism is of the deep slumber (when it comes to these issues) Hargeisa elites have found themselves in.

 

Finally, the deafening silence from our brothers to the East (Puntlanders) is noted

[Che -Guevara]

"Finally, the deafening silence from our brothers to the East (Puntlanders) is noted"

 

LOL, I am their rep today. N the Imam is silent as well.

 

 

Mintid....One could look it at the different angle, why prominent Slanders are abandoning the ship:D

[Mooge]

somalia was taken out of the transition and a FULL GOVERMENT was selected and US was waiting for the transition to end. the americans had to recognize this new full goverment or all that effort by previous goveremnt and AU to get out of the tranisition would have been for wasted. qoslaaye was told to go to Washington by american embassy in nairobi few days ago because AU pressure on the US was mounting. everyone in nairobi knows this. the recognition should have been done the first day qoslaaye was selected. they are late few months.

 

qoslaaye has done nothing since he came to power. this guy is still the most incompetent leader we ever had.

[Mintid Farayar]

Mooge;909317 wrote:

somalia was taken out of the transition and a FULL GOVERMENT was selected and US was waiting for the transition to end. the americans had to recognize this new full goverment or all that effort by previous goveremnt and AU to get out of the tranisition would have been for wasted. qoslaaye was told to go to Washington by american embassy in nairobi few days ago because AU pressure on the US was mounting. everyone in nairobi knows this. the recognition should have been done the first day qoslaaye was selected. they are late few months.

 

qoslaaye has done nothing since he came to power. this guy is still the most incompetent leader we ever had.

 

Che,

 

At least, we're not in denial like some corners...

[The Sage]

Mintid Farayar;909314 wrote:

Che,

 

 

Hassan Sheikh's recent actions, while vexing for the Somaliland administration, are not existentially threatening. Before that day comes, he'll need to overcome the Jubba challenge, followed by Puntland. The real question is why Hassan Sheikh needs to stick the finger in the Somaliland eye, not by seeking diplomatic recognition, but by appointing the Somaliland ministers in his gov't? And don't tell me it's b/c of the 4.5, because he's abandoned that formula from the beginning in the cabinet make-up.

Exactly, although todays events have definitely been a shot in the arm for Mogadisho the balance of power hasn't shifted all that much vis-a-vis Somaliland.

Somalia is still under foreign occupation by a multitude of countries, AS is still entrenched in the rural areas and medium sized population centres, the humanitarian situation is precarious and the various factional groups are still vying for power.

 

And funny enough, the federal budget raised by the Somaliland gov in 2013 is still significantly larger than Somalia proper.

 

I think Hassan's visit was a much needed psychological victory but in terms of strategically changing the situation on the ground, not much has changed.

[Mooge]

Mintid Farayar;909320 wrote:

Che,

 

At least, we're not in denial like some corners...

^^ oh you are not denying anything. lool. your job is to magnify qoslaye for the IR alliance. Puntland is your main concern. loool.

 

let me remind you ninyoow. somalia being recognized by US was in the works for a long time and the first step was for the transition to end. if you disagree, please present any evedence that is contarary to that. loool.

[STOIC]

Granted that poltical circumstances changes and willpower grinds down (Yeah I'm talking about you Somaliland) ; I still believe even with any deceitful policies from America or England Somaliland will still have the leverage to dictate the fate of the union.Any sleazy sleights of hands will not make Somaliland abandon the long road to secession easily like that.As Washington sought out options on how to deal with the new legitimate Somali government and Somalia hurries to exploit the new opportunities ;Somaliland should not ignore the inescapable fact of a recognized stronger Somalia.Basically Somaliland goals shall remain raw and unchanging...If only Silanyo Opens his eyes!

[nuune]

Soo dhacyeey, welcome back yaa Oodweyne, SOL has missed your contributions, Siilaanyo tabar uu ku safro hada maba uu hayo, waayo waayeel buu iska noqdey illaa mareekankana haduu dayuurad u raaco dhabarkaaba kala jabi, marka wasiirihiisa arrimaha dibadana waxba islama hayaan, waayadan ama bilahan xagee bey salaadu iska qaban la'dahey, waa halkii JB uu oran jirey, wey duushey, anigu waxaan oran lahaa, waayadan shimbirkii hud-hudka ahaa socodka wuu gaabiyey, sababtuna maxey tahey, fikradeydu hadaan ka hadlo sababtu waa Mareekanka oo cadaadis xoogan saarey Somaliland, cadaadiskaas oo ah in uusan juuq iyo jaaq toona u oran Somaliland wax khuseeya, waa jab mareekanka ha kaa aamuso, ha kula hadlo wuxuu doona ha ku dhaho ayaa dhaami laheyd oo murkacasho iska sahlan ahaan laheyd walaw xanuunba ha ahaatee.

 

 

Anyway, bal waxaan kaa sugnaba waa alaabihii dheeraa ee asqeysnaa ee qada madow ku lifaaqneyd.

[Che -Guevara]

Mintid Farayar;909320 wrote:

Che,

 

At least, we're not in denial like some corners...

Let it sink, Duke will come out of woodworks to tell you how the secessionists are finish.

 

Mooge is special case.

 

Stoic...Somaliland's goals will remain intact, what does translate into exactly? Also, one has to imagine stronger Xamar, the friendly tribes' resolve not to abandon the union will be strengthened.

 

Oodweyne...Maybe it's the time remnants of SNM/Barre to retire. There's generational shift in Somali politics.

[Che -Guevara]

 

Two familiar faces

 

 

http://www.hiiraan.com/news/2013/Jan/wararka_maanta17-20589.htm

[Che -Guevara]

Remarks With President of Somalia Hassan Sheikh Mohamud-Video link

 

Hilary Announcing recognition

 

http://video.state.gov/en/video/2101422486001/remarks-with-president-of-somalia-hassan-sheikh-mohamud/s~creationDate/p~1/" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen>

[Abwaan]

Mooge;909317 wrote:

somalia was taken out of the transition and a FULL GOVERMENT was selected and US was waiting for the transition to end. the americans had to recognize this new full goverment or all that effort by previous goveremnt and AU to get out of the tranisition would have been for wasted. qoslaaye was told to go to Washington by american embassy in nairobi few days ago because AU pressure on the US was mounting. everyone in nairobi knows this. the recognition should have been done the first day qoslaaye was selected. they are late few months.

 

qoslaaye has done nothing since he came to power. this guy is still the most incompetent leader we ever had.

Mooge, Are you still in Malaysia? Xamar is calling you.

[Che -Guevara]

"We respect the sovereignty of Somalia"-Hilary Clinton

 

Listen to the last question of the press conference about dual tract policy- it seems the United States have essentially abandoned that policy and acknowledged the beginning of new era where the relationship between Somalia and the States is that of two states, a sovereign nation to sovereign nation.

[Che -Guevara]

Soo dhaweynta Madaxweyne Xasan Sheekh: Washington DC-Live Stream

[STOIC]

"Stoic...Somaliland's goals will remain intact, what does translate into exactly? Also, one has to imagine stronger Xamar, the friendly tribes' resolve not to abandon the union will be strengthened."

 

 

If developments in Somalia will go as well as we all hope for, future prospects will remain clear.But knowing Somalis no one claN is ready to SACRIFICE and form a support for a strong legitimate government in Mogadishu.After the drum-rolls and the trumpets of this highly successful visit ends; everyone will be back to the drawing boards.Soon the exciting part will be over and reality will set in .Somaliland is NOT going to shied from pursuing its goals whether the US ignores their ambition or not. Unless something remarkable and unpredictable happens I don't see anything changing anytime soon.So I see no reason to be optimistic here about Somalia being one again any time soon.The Somali president and the Somali people are the ones who will bear the weighty responsibility of bringing the union together and not Some interest driven diplomacy!