Madaxweyne Xasan:- Itoobiya ayaa dib u dhiseysa milatariga Somalia

[oba hiloowlow]

xiinfaniin;894338 wrote:

This is not a big deal. Think of it as another African country wanting to milk some reconstruction money from Somalia. It will not be Ethiopia that will rebuild Somali army, Turkey, Egypt and US will. Just like Uganda, Ethiopia will at best be staging area for the project.

 

So I dont blame Hassan on this. On Kismayo, that is where He embarrassed himself, and come out quite small and naive .

it is a big deal xiin, however this article seems to be BS

[xiinfaniin]

I say it is not. Ethiopia has no capacity to build anyone's army. You know that, we know that. This is a pure geopolitical play , a diplomatic stroke on Ethiopia's feelings in the region. Waryaa call Xamar , find out the real story.

 

You see, a warm hand is always better than a cold one with a shank. Here the president is playing well. The era of confrontations and empty slogans are over. He gets that.

[OdaySomali]

xiinfaniin;894338 wrote:

This is not a big deal. Think of it as another African country wanting to milk some reconstruction money from Somalia. It will not be Ethiopia that will rebuild Somali army, Turkey, Egypt and US will. Just like Uganda, Ethiopia will at best be staging area for the project.

Being one of the misguided spin-doctors of SOL, I don't know what reason you think you have for understating this development and the risk that it poses to the reconstitution of the Somali republic but let's be honest with ourselves Xiinfaniin. in the Somali context to think of Ethiopia as "another African country wanting to milk some reconstruction money" is naive, misguided and utterly foolish and I don't even need to state the reasons why, kii garanayaa garanaya.

 

Ethiopia does not need the Somali reconstruction money. It has a healthy relationship with the major international donors esp. the U.S, E.U etc. It has declined to come under AMISOM and all funds go to it directly rather than under the umbrella of the A.U. It is also developing a stronger relationship with China.

 

Even if you have conrete information that the countries you referred to will be the major actors in reconstituting the Somali military, this development and statement of intent indicates the desire of the Ethiopian goverment to influence the outcomes of any attempt at reconstitution. Even if the President wants Egypt, Turkey and the U.S to be the major actors in this project, you have to remember that this make-belief President, contrary to the Ethiopians, has little leverage, influence or clout in the current organisation of affairs.

[Mayaani]

President has no power to tell what his real intentions are this time. Ethiopia is capable to screw whole process so I give President the benefit of the doubt this time. Same time I will never trust them anything they are the ones who really want us to remain failure.

[OdaySomali]

Xaaji Xunjuf;894320 wrote:

Why are you so surprised there are thousands of xabashi troops in Somalia in hiiraan gedo bay and bakool cid wax tidha anigu ma arkin cid xita diidan ma jirto. Dadko oo dhan waxay yidhahaan itoobiya wa na cawinaysa Alshabaab bay inaga celinaysa:D

War maxaad sheegaysaa soow ta SL'ds saraakiishooda sare' ba Xabashidu in their droves ku soo tababarto Addis military academy.

[Abwaan]

Mayaani;894361 wrote:

President has no power to tell what his real intentions are this time. Ethiopia is capable to screw whole process so I give President the benefit of the doubt this time. Same time I will never trust them anything they are the ones who really want us to remain failure.

Yes, he has no power, but we don't want him saying that Ethiopia will build Somali forces either.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Oday Somali ma aniga ba diidan taas horaan u sheegey Somaliland xabashi influence ka bixi mayo ila la ictraafo . Inta ka sakow Xabashidu will have the upper-hand sarkaal baad sheegeysa la tabo baro qaad priceka la cuno iyaga mamuulayaa wax kale iska daa. Wax walba oo agreement SL la gasho Ethiopia , Itoobiya ba gacan saraysa. Xabashidu wa smart way ogyihin qabkay wax u socdaan, ku darso waliba Somaliland Military aid kama hesho calaamkuna wax heshiis oo sharci lama gali karaan,Taabtaysay ahaanaysa.

[Mayaani]

Abwaan, Soomaalida ku maahmaahda "Cadowgaaga caana qabow baa lagu soo dhaweeya" waa haduu taa ula jeedo hadalkiisa. Madaxweynahu haduu ku caqli qaadan waayey intuu Soomaaliya dhex joogey ethopian xumaantey gaysteen then Ilaah baa noo maqan asagey tiisu socotaaye.

[xiinfaniin]

OdaySomali,

 

This mere announcement of intent does not warrant your anger at the president. He is new , the new kid on the block if you will, facing established powers and intrenched geopolitical interests in the region. A wise leader's objective in such situation would be to size the situation, play meek to quite down adversaries...and buy time. The Somali project is owned by bigger prowers than this poor African country Somalis seems to have obsession with. Ethiopia is demographically big , but economically poor, and politically unstable. She is no position to take independent initiatives outside of its borders. Just like Kenya, the role of Ethiopia in the Somali project is determined not by pure national interests of theirs but by the accommodations and designs of the powers that be.

 

Further more we have seen bigger and grander announcements before (i.e. the Somali navy being based in Jabbuuti) only to see them fail to come to fruition. And as XX noted Ethiopia is already a player and has boots on the ground. So once again , I don't see the big fuss here.

[Abwaan]

Mayaani;894374 wrote:

Abwaan, Soomaalida ku maahmaahda "Cadowgaaga caana qabow baa lagu soo dhaweeya" waa haduu taa ula jeedo hadalkiisa. Madaxweynahu haduu ku caqli qaadan waayey intuu Soomaaliya dhex joogey ethopian xumaantey gaysteen then Ilaah baa noo maqan asagey tiisu socotaaye.

Waa sax Mayaani waan fahmayaa halkaad ka hadleysid, balse nimankaan Itoobiyaanka wax trust ah kuma qabo maamulkooda. Waa wanaagsan tahay in deris wanaag la muujiyo, laakiin markii ay rabaan bay xadka iska soo gudbaan dadkana dilaan, dhacaan, xiraan, dumarkana kufsadaan.

[OdaySomali]

Xaaji Xunjuf;894372 wrote:

Oday Somali ma aniga ba diidan taas

horaan u sheegey Somaliland xabashi influence ka bixi mayo ila la ictraafo .

Inta ka sakow Xabashidu will have the upper-hand sarkaal baad sheegeysa la tabo baro qaad priceka la cuno iyaga mamuulayaa wax kale iska daa. Wax walba oo agreement SL la gasho Ethiopia , Itoobiya ba gacan saraysa. Xabashidu wa smart way ogyihin qabkay wax u socdaan, ku darso waliba Somaliland Military aid kama hesho calaamkuna wax heshiis oo sharci lama gali karaan,Taabtaysay ahaanaysa.

Waad ku saxsantahay halka aad tidhi inay Itoobiya Somaliland siyaasiyan influence weyn ku leedahay, ku dar weliba dhanka dhaqaalaha iyo dhan militarily ba. Laakiin waad ku khaldan tahay inaad u malaysay inay Somaliland gacanta Itoobiya ka baxayso haddii la ictiraafo, taasi marnaba dhici mayso. Somaliland is and would be demographically, economically, politically and geographically too small, insignificant and weak inay Otoobiya iska furfurto, iska difaacdo ama ka madax banaanaato. Run haddii la sheegayo sida qudha ee ay Somaliland (iyo qaybaha kale' ee dhulka/maamuladda soomaaliyeed) madax banaani dhab ah uga helayso waa Soomaalida kale' oo ay dan guud owgeed ula shaqaystaan. The elusive Recognition that is not forthcoming anyway, is not a magic wand and panacea for all problems and deficiencies. Nor will this elusive and hypothetical recognition give Somaliland economic, demographic, geographic or political clout or significance.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Not true Ethiopia is not a super power its just demographically significant but its economically very poor its only being supported by the west with lots of aid. The only reason why Ethiopia has the upper hand in any business agreement with Somaliland is because of the status of Somaliland a defacto state with little support of the international community. Somaliland has the resources and the capacity to sustain its self and to defend its self if it sits in right place on the world stage. The status of Somaliland is just important for its future Somaliland having access to the world markets.And having the ability to defend ur self from external factors politically diplomatically and economically u need that little bit of diplomatic legitimacy.Somalia has that diplomatic legitimacy but its disorganized and divided domestically thus Ethiopia Kenya take advantage of that. Somaliland is pretty organized with in has good governance but lacks the international diplomatic legitimacy. Somaliland is larger than 25 countries in Africa.

[Mayaani]

Abwaan;894380 wrote:

Waa sax Mayaani waan fahmayaa halkaad ka hadleysid, balse nimankaan Itoobiyaanka wax trust ah kuma qabo maamulkooda. Waa wanaagsan tahay in deris wanaag la muujiyo, laakiin markii ay rabaan bay xadka iska soo gudbaan dadkana dilaan, dhacaan, xiraan, dumarkana kufsadaan.

Bal aan ka warsugno meeshu reerka ku furo hada asagaa dhaanka hogaaminayee. Aduunyo waa is badashoo dadbay caatifadii ku yaraatay oo dhibkaan aad shageysid aysan u muuqan.

[Taleexi]

Having good relationship with Ethiopia isn't a bad thing but calling to buildup our arm forces is troublesome.

[Abwaan]

Mayaani;894398 wrote:

Bal aan ka warsugno meeshu reerka ku furo hada asagaa dhaanka hogaaminayee. Aduunyo waa is badashoo dadbay caatifadii ku yaraatay oo dhibkaan aad shageysid aysan u muuqan.

Ok in la sugo waa wax habboon and I know in dad Soomaalida dhexdeeda xoog u leh oo sidii xasadkii ula xisaabtama dalalka deriskana inay kabahanu qaadaan ayba ka soo dhawdahay.