Forget Kismayu, Mogadishu admin needs to be shared by all Somali groups..

[General Duke]

Much talk has been made about the distribution of power of the up and coming Jubaland Admin & that of the City of Kismayu. Many have argued that certain clans are not well represented and that some are monopolizing power. These same groups tend to ignore that the capital of Somalia does not have equitable distribution of power and that the 16 districts of the capital is monopolized by a single group without any regard to the vast Somali populace who reside within the capital.

 

Its important that we start at the heart of the problem, Mogadishu admin and that of the Banadir region should be distributed to the various clans and groups that reside within it. The clans of Marka, barava, the Somali Bantu’s and Somali’s of Arab ancestry, should all be accorded greater representation in Mogadishu and Banadir region..

 

A sinle clan or community should not dominate the national capital at the expense of other Somali's. Its great that everyone is interested in Kismayu and the Juba's but they should not ignore the plight of the Somali population in the National Capital.

 

Charity starts at home, President Xasan needs to show great leadership and address this problem ASAP..

[Haatu]

You have to feel for the guy when he has to deal with the likes of Oba who believe Unuka owns the city.

[Ducaysane]

So if Mogadishu and Kismaayu is shared, does that mean the end of federalism?

[Haatu]

Ducaysane;882345 wrote:

So if Mogadishu and Kismaayu is shared, does that mean the end of federalism?

I doubt it but we can dream can't we?

[A_Khadar]

Unuku yaa ka raaridaaya the place is for all somalis?

[Somalia]

General Duke is addressing a critical subject, how can the so-called capital of a nation be monopolized and ruled by 1 clan, never, never have I seen this before.

 

It is shocking and disappointing, not only as a Somali... but as a human being.

[General Duke]

Ducaysane;882345 wrote:

So if Mogadishu and Kismaayu is shared, does that mean the end of federalism?

New York, Los Angeles are shared Cities they have a Jewish & Latino Mayors and Federalisam is strong in the US.

 

The people of each city must have greater representation. Mogadishu is a multi clan city even today and should not be dominated by any one group. Thats the jist of the argument here.

 

Federalisam will develop Somalia much faster than a centralised system ever did. It can also address the political issues that have arisen in the war years.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Mogadishu is the capital of Somalia but its also the home of the Indigenous muqdishaawis who lived in the city for centuries their ancestral homeland they are the people who suffered the most during the civil war. Now they just have to give up their rights and let others come in the city and rule over them. This a mentality that exists every where in Somalia either the country belongs to all of us or it belongs to no one. Can Banadir state be a reality can the lower shabeele and middle shabeele and banadir be a federal state. While Mogadishu is still the capital of the federal republic and Afgooye is the capital of banadir state will it be feasible time will tell. This is the problem with clan federalism duke and Somalia don't want to share bosaaso and garowe but they expect Muqdishaawis to share Mogadishu with hem.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

General Duke;882361 wrote:

New York, Los Angeles are shared Cities they have a Jewish & Latino Mayors and Federalisam is strong in the US.

 

The people of each city must have greater representation. Mogadishu is a multi clan city even today and should not be dominated by any one group. Thats the jist of the argument here.

 

Federalisam will develop Somalia much faster than a centralised system ever did. It can also address the political issues that have arisen in the war years.

America doesn't have sub clan rivalries and clan disputes in cities and villages you are comparing the incomparable.

 

It might develop Somalia faster we yet have to see that time will tell when federalism is implemented but pure clan states will never work.Even With Puntland it needs to include others why cant Galmudug and Puntland be united under one federal state it will make the state more diverse. Why cant the lower shabeele and the 2 jubas be one state it makes the state more diverse what if gedo and bay and bakool join hand in hand it will make the state more diverse.

[General Duke]

^^^^You are right Mogadishu's dominant clan will have a good say on the running of the city, however the argument here is if you want fairness then the Reer Xamar (Banadiri) the clans who dominate Marka, the Somali Bantu's and D&M clans should have a fairer share of the Cities power structure. Thus out of the 16 districts of Banadir, these clans should at least have a couple of heads and deputies and so on.

[General Duke]

Xaaji Xunjuf;882371 wrote:

America doesn't have sub clan rivalries and clan disputes in cities and villages you are comparing the incomparable.

 

It might develop Somalia faster we yet have to see that time will tell when federalism is implemented but pure clan states will never work.Even With Puntland it needs to include others why cant Galmudug and Puntland be united under one federal state it will make the state more diverse. Why cant the lower shabeele and the 2 jubas be one state it makes the state more diverse what if gedo and bay and bakool join hand in hand it will make the state more diverse.

XX, you are quite ignorant of American History when you say it does not have tribal or ethnic differences in its make up. Take for example the State of Utah, it was formed by a religious minority that was persecuted and chased out of other States. Its founder and first governor Brigham Young was considered a prophet by the Mormon Church that he led. Throughout America you have ethnic communities who formed and dominated small, medium to even major cities. In my State of Minnesota there are Germantown, New-Prague and even Indian reservations, all indicating that in recent past communities lived quite separately but within the law. You have Boston dominated by the Irish; Chicago was led by a family of Irish descent the Daley family for more than half a century. Their votes and power came from their Ethnic group the Irish. You have Atlanta Georgia considered an African American metropolis and one has to go back a while to get a White Mayor of Alanta.

What’s quite ludicrous is the fact that you want an SNM dominated nation but fear a D, dominated regional States in Somalia. You are way too obvious lad.

[Somalia]

Xaaji, Puntland nor Galmudug purport to be the capital for the Somali people. This is not about Mogadishu but the status it claims while being run by a single group. :eek:

[General Duke]

XX there is very little issue between Puntland & Galmudug or between Gedo & Bakool. The proble here is the capital of Somalia should be represented by all Somali's. As for a secessionist caring about the Juba's now thats funny,...

[Khadafi]

Xamar cadeey belongs to two primary groups, it belongs to the Banaadiri, and some of the unuka subclans

The bantu groups live in jowhar and afgooye, not in xamar. If then unuka groups wants to claim it by force, we are most welcome to share it with all somali clans

 

Laakin Duke, Boosaaso is now a commerical city with many diffirent somali clans, why not share that too? If kismaayu can be shared why not other cities...

 

Federalism has it loop-holes but this issue needs to be adressed.

[General Duke]

Khadafi;882380 wrote:

Xamar cadeey belongs to two primary groups

, it belongs to the Banaadiri, bantu groups live in afgooye and jowhar and not Xamar.

 

some of the interior has its shares by the unuka groups...If the Unuka groups wants to claim it by force, well then xamar should be shared by all somali clans...

 

Laakin Duke, Boosaaso is now a commerical city with many diffirent somali clans, why not share that too?

Let me correct you, the Bantu Clan as well as those from Bay & Bakool today are a large segment of Mogadishu.

2. The Marka clan also lives in Mogadishu, so are clans from Hiiraan, and other parts of Somalia. Why complain about Kismayu distribution when their population does not even have adequite representation in Mogadishu?

 

3. No one is against the sharing of Bosaso admin or Puntland's, and the new clans that have moved into Puntland will with time have adequite representation. Its their State as well.