Did the Somali civil war come to an end?

[Carafaat]

"Today the guns are silent. A great tradegy has come to an end. A great victory has been won."

 

Islamist and Secularist are working together building a national goverment, Somaliland and Somalia are talking, Ethiopia and ONLF are talking, Federalist and Centrist are working together building Regional goverments. Has the Somali civil war come to an end? And did peace prevail after all?

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Yeah the civil war ended this year with a new government in Somalia.

[GaraadMon]

We're at it's death-bed at this moment, but I still think a lot needs to be done before we can confidently close this chapter.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

As for the ONLF Ethiopia wars/ talks its not over until fat lady sings

 

Somaliland and Somalia talks its a good start but we are not there yet

 

We have to wait how hassan sheikh solves the problems in southern and central regions of Somalia and if he can establish institutions. And if he is able to rebuilt the Somali national army to prevent future clan clashes between clans and various other factions.

[Che -Guevara]

Dreamers

[xiinfaniin]

The verdict is not out yet for this. But one thing is for sure: Carafaat's mischief in SOL has been effectively beaten back.

[Carafaat]

Xiin, you dont get it. Your clan filled assumptions and aspirations have ended. Even Kismaayo has not become a H enclave as you have hoped.

[xiinfaniin]

^^the problem with you is you see H clan threat everywhere from Laascaano to Xamar to Kismayo. Your fears, my friend, are not warranted.

 

Kismayo will do just fine , with all of its communities living peacefully together. You just need to ready yourself for that eventual outcome

[Carafaat]

Xiin, thats the spirit. better then your earlier exposed m(l)aangaabnimo of Kismayo is owned by mine clan nonsense.

[Baashi]

No and yes.

 

No -- as you know the conflict still rages on, foreign troops are in Somali soil, AS are poised for a cameback, federal government needs protection from its own citizens, fiefdoms up in the recovery zones put out press releases -- on regular basis -- meant to show independence from the center.

 

Yes -- clannish cutthroat as we know it is over. In Hargeisa, Booso and Benadir your clan profile is not important at least at the street level. There are no deep seated animosities between folks from different clan stations. Polticians won't let go though and you can count on them invoking painful memories, advocating partisan agendas colored with emotional sentiments and whatnot.

 

Awoowe we got miles to go and rest assured we will get there someday. The diffidult question is when and what prize.

[Carafaat]

Baashi, there is a long way to go till governance returns. But there is no armed group anymore calling or waging a war.

[Khadafi]

I dont want to be a pessimist but a clear answer to the question above is NO!

 

As Baashi said, the government institutions are guarded by foreign troops, their is no Somali national army that can be trusted by the public, and as for Al-Shabaab their leaders and chain of command is still in Somalia....No one has been captured and trialed, this shows that that their is no judiciary court in Somalia as we speak.

 

To be honest sometimes I feel that the whole somali government is built by bunch of cards, once you blow on it it collapses. As for the upcoming years, the great war on terror has officaly ended with the death of OBL. The American support (financial) for somalia intervention through its african (amisom) client army will soon end, so the big questiony Carafaat is, what will happen to tthe somali government once this support ends

 

I might even suggest that we are entering a new somali civil war phase in southern Somalia. The politicians that hastily agreed to to the federal system without considering the segmental clanism has is now full opportunists that have turned the clan agenda into land grabbing! Some segments of somalis are nomads with no defined clan boundaries, once we start to land grabbing by declaring clan.-based regional states who will be the mediator in making real clan-borders? The clans are even themselves are divided? which sub-clan will have greater rights? Their are many somali towns that host different clans? Yaa sheegan karo these towns?.

 

The upcoming years will determine how Somalia will be!

[Somalia]

It's just getting started.

[Carafaat]

Baashi, I am glad the American support for Amisom will soon come to an end. Its time for Somalis to take ownership and responsibility. And I am sure we can do it. No more excuses and hiding behind foreign actors.

[Yunis]

This is Somalia, I would say, lets hope for the best and prepare for the worst