Somaliland: Today, 28 Years Ago - 17th October 1984

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

^^ Yes

[Wadani]

Waan gartay. AUN, inkastoo marmarka qaar aan is idhaahdho SNM, SSDF iyo USC halgankoodi lagama macaashin. Dadka aduunyada ugu liita ayaynu nahay maanta ee bal maxaynu faaidnay hadaynu runta isku sheegno.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Wadani that might be true but i dont think any one in Somaliland wants the 80s and late 70s rule back in Somaliland. The Somaliland rebel groups put their differences aside and built a country for themselves from scratch that deserves credit. i cant say the same about the rebel groups of Somalia SNF USC SPM and RRA and others. it was up to them to come together and put their differences aside and rebuild a nation.

[Wadani]

Ur right, I can't argue with that but couldn't we have brought about change to the policies of the Siad Barre regime without resorting to a rebellion right away? Mida kale, cadaadiska uu Siyaad inagu hayay hadaynu reer waqooyi nahay iyo SNM aasaaskeedii iyamaa horayay?

[Alpha Blondy]

the SNM have played their role in liberating Somaliland from the clenches of that dictatorial regime laakin, if we're to move forward, we should create an inclusive somaliland. SNM means different things to the diverse populace of Somaliland today.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

its started right after the war with Ethiopia Somaliland colonels and generals were killed they were specifically targeted by the regime. The WSLF rebel group started murdering Somaliland nomads in the hawd region the WSLF turned into a clanish rebel group under the regime of Siad bare.This was in 1979 this was before even SNM was officially announced at that time Muhammad cali was fighting a war against the wslf. Somalilanders were mainly doing business in livestock trade this was sabotaged by the regime. Somalilanders said we don't mind living under a MOD regime no problem as long as we can do our business but we will never be broke second class citizens.

[Wadani]

Im not denying that SNM liberated Somaliland. I just have two fundamental and sincere questions I need answered.

 

1. Did the selectively oppressive policies of the SIyaad/MOD regime predate the creation of the SNM or where they precipitated by this groups inception in 1981?

 

2. Could there have been a different course taken by Northern politicians to deliver justice to their people without destroying the central government?

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Wadani siyad bare never wanted to have talks with the SNM it was either surrender to the regime like ssdf did or to remove him so a different rout was impossible at that time. Are you also forgetting the attempt to settle thousands and thousands of refugees in Somaliland while the wslf was waging an ugly war against Somaliland nomads in the hawd in 1979. So many factors played a role in the formation of the SNM In 1981 a different rout to achieve ur goals would've been perfect but it was impossible. African dictators either die in office or are removed.

[Wadani]

Xaaji it's not that I'm forgetting, I just don't know much about that period. I was less than a year old when was Hargaysa was bombed to the ground. Ilaahay mahadii I survived and made it to Canada when i was two, so plz excuse my ignorance. Besides the government sponsored settlement of OG folks in waqooyi, wat else can u say justified the creation of the SNM at that time?

[Abu-Salman]

^ real questions I asked for long.

 

1. The failed putsch and dissent along clan lines right after the 77 defeat catalysed the regime nepotism (the so-called MOD and then M. rule, albeit a bit simplistic as even the M. were not monolithic), a regime initially universally welcomed to face the corrupt civilian "democracy" started to turn paranoid and see clanish Somalis as unreliable.

The oppression started in the North long after atrocities in Mudug etc, going crescendo concomitantly with the SNM threat armed by our arch enemy.

Policies such as socialism were advocated by Northern "intellectuals" long before while khat ban was very progressive, albeit hastily implemented.

Finally, we all know the worst came only in 88 after the SNM captured key cities with Ethiopian support and a predictable regime answer in most other countries.

 

2. Traders, Khat dealers etc were more involved and virulent than intellectuals or religious leaders; it was better to be more cautious in my humble opinion and have the bigger picture in mind.

All that is not merely regurgitating from history books and witnesses but all the SNM relatives, some closely involved, do not hide that it was all about emotions and mostly post mid-eighties responses that unnerved them (the regime was very clumsy and incompetent).

[Wadani]

You say the oppression started in the north long after atrocities in Mudug, so would this be pre SNM or post SNM?

[Che -Guevara]

lol@Ibti....you have been baptized.

 

 

Tribal movements with S their name for legitimatacy in greater scheme of things failed Somalis including tribes they derived the support from.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Wadani;880615 wrote:

Xaaji it's not that I'm forgetting, I just don't know much about that period. I was less than a year old when was Hargaysa was bombed to the ground. Ilaahay mahadii I survived and made it to Canada when i was two, so plz excuse my ignorance. Besides the government sponsored settlement of OG folks in waqooyi, wat else can u say justified the creation of the SNM at that time?

Oke i see u are very young man but let me tell you a few things

 

-The wars led by wslf rebels in Somali galbeed against ethnic Somalilandish people

-The Killings of Somaliland colonels and general right after the war with Ethiopia

-The attempt to settle refugees in Somaliland territories

- Economically the Somali republic was about to be bankrupt the country needed change

- General siad bare trying to change the franco valuta system so that he can control the livestock trade of the Somalilanders.

-Power sharing formula between Somalilanders and the Koonfurians was not fair system

 

All of that played a role in the formation of the SNM movement.

[Wadani]

Thanks for the info Xaaji.

[gooni]

Way wada hadleen siyaad barre iyo snm wuxuuna weydiiyay su'aal kaliya oo ahyd maxaad doonaysaan ama tabanaysaan oo qoriga u qaadateen

xoogaabay aamuseen hadana madaxa isla galeen si loo helo caaqilka ugu aragtida fiican jawaabna siiya madaxweynaha

Nin dheer oo shaati cad wata ayaa istaagay wuxuuna yiri madaxweyne xukunkaaga ma diidanin ee waxaanu doonaynaa jamhuuriyad yar oo iska qayisha sida jabuuti, wada hadal saxaafadu joogtay ma'ahayn laakiin goob joogayaashii ka dhex baara mujaahidiinta nool