How Jubbaland Administration Will Look

[Carafaat]

Cajiib since when has Gedo/Cabudwaaq community become Jubba community?

 

waa cadalad xumada iyo dafirada xaqa waxa Somali meesha keentay.

[Macallinka]

@Carafat, if they are not from Jubba why are they getting the majority of the planned MPs for the Jubbaland administration.

 

 

EDIT: Ever heard of Ultra Juba? just go ahead and google it u don't know

[Baashi]

Carafaat, Jubbaland includes Gedo therefore Gedo community is at the table Capisce? Gedo folks are now in Lower Jubba too. It is a reality to be taken into account. The civil war has changed the balance of many communities and Kismayo is no exception. Remember the urban elite of block regardless of which subclan they belonged to fled to Kismayo and Gedo urbanites found Kismayo more appealing place to settle than their Gedo hometowns Gabbal and et al will tell you that Lower Jubba is their historical hometown too Considering how convinced Gabbal seems to be and how passionate he is about the issue, one has to call quits and let the man be. But that's irrelevant now. Gedo boys are force to reckon with. boys have many enemies in Benadir and elsewhere and everyone feels the need to undermine them (including in the neighboring 'country") the odds are staked against them. Still boys will get a sizable share of three combined Jubbaland state. Not bad eh! Not bad at all.

[Carafaat]

Cause Aabo Siyaad made 5 tuulo's in to districts in Gedo above the two existing districts that were largely inhabited

by Other folks.

[Macallinka]

^ My grand grand fathers were from Ethiopia no doubt and the ones before that were from YEMEN ;)so what does that had to do with me in Jubbaland at 2012 . Do you know the Americans were once from Europe and the Australians where from England ?

[Baashi]

Carafaat must be happy. Somalia is coming back bit by bit. Conflict is being resolved slowly but surely Jubba issue being a textbook example. Things imperfect as they may be are going forward. Our brother in Somaliland are making progress. Puntland and Galmudug are on their way. Benadir is shaly but under control. Bay and Bakool are recovering. Hiiraan and Galgaduud are bit difficult but in due time they will find their footing. Shabelle is stable.

 

Looking good awoowe. You should be happy the third republic is getting its sh*t together.

[Mooge]

Baashi, kismayo will belong to whoever that lives there and has property and business. gedo clan occupies goverment installations (wasaaradaha dolwada) and they felt these belong to their clan because siyad bare goverment built them. there were few houses that hiirale militia robbed when they were with warlord seeraar but those were returned to rightful owners after alshabaab chased warlord hiraale out. the new admin will even go further and make sure bajuni or any other clan property is not occupied by militias.

 

at end of day, we know who owns most kismayo property house by house. it is reality that cannot be altered whether gabbal gives his pasionate nonsense or not. kismayo belong to people of kismayo and most property of kismayo is still owned by people who trace their origin to puntland.

 

everything else is just talk and bravado.

[Jacpher]

Somalia;880213 wrote:

Why do you say that, 'another', you think the proponents of the state are in cahoot to change the territorial integrity of the country?

I don't know that but anything is possible in this part of the country. Now that you asked the question, there is something sinister about Kenyans providing resources, platform and military muscle to build this mini state. Jubbaland is the dead horse every clan is trying to revive. I question the wisdom behind it.

[Carafaat]

Baashi, Carafaat is content on some of the developments in Somalia. The build up of foreign troops and their influence in Kismaayo worries me though. Second we could have organized our own Jubba peace Conference, no need for IGAD's involvement. Unless you lack confidence that tolka cant make peace without mediation from Amxaaro or Kikuyu's? I think they can if one leaves things to community leaders rather then Generals and militants Sheicks.

[Carafaat]

Macallinka you have not responded on the 5 degmo's Jaale created in Gedo to establish

permanent monopoly in Gedo over the other clans.

[Baashi]

Gedo is and has always been under the domain of Gedo clans. Stop the cantrabaqash for once. Had Barre looked after them in terms of investing Gedo, they wouldn't felt the need to put emphasis on Kismayo. Fertile Buur-dhuubo, Luuq and Baardheer would have been more than enough.

 

Carafaat;880354 wrote:

Baashi, Carafaat is content on some of the developments in Somalia. The build up of foreign troops and their influence in Kismaayo worries me though. Second we could have organized our own Jubba peace Conference, no need for IGAD's involvement. Unless you lack confidence that tolka cant make peace without mediation from Amxaaro or Kikuyu's? I think they can if one leaves things to community leaders rather then Generals and militants Sheicks.

Right. True. No one in their right mind would like to have foreign interference in their internal affairs. Awoowe don't forget Somali conflict has regional and international dimensions. AS presence in Somali soil has upped the stakes. Right or wrong Kenya today sees its security interest contingent on the "pacification" of territories of its northern border. According to the age old geopolitical tactics Kenyan wants to “contain” Somali “threat” inside Somalia.

 

Competing sub-clans are scrambling to get Kenya on their side. At the moment Kenya has the luxury of choosing which group is a right "fit" for its plans for the region. The ball has been rolling for sometimes now and your call for process “ownership” is noble and correct but not feasible at this environment.

 

Besides if your worries are foreign interferences of Somali affairs you have a whole lot mess in every zone to contend with. Foreign troops are in the seat of the government, Upper Juba and Hiiraan as well. Foreign navies dock at Berbera and Las Qoray quite frequently.

 

Join the realist side and be a bit practical. In this case tolka should leverage new admin in Benadir against the overwhelming Kenyan influence. As of today, that tactic is working. Benadir admin makes noise and Kenyan gets a call from the West to make the right balance in terms of clan composition.

 

So far negotiation is weapon of choice. Somalia has a recognized government and IGAD coalition have difference of opinion. All these factors will ultimately balance things out.

[Haatu]

Lol@ Gabbaal even Mooge baa your rubbish ka yaabey

 

That said, it's great news that tolka has finally decided to quit bickering like old women. But what a terrible name. Jubbaland? Maamuul Goboleedka Jubba would've been enough without the need to add another useless 'land' suffix.

[General Duke]

Its time to stop the bickering and create a viable Federal State in the Juba's. Also this sub clan nonsense needs to stop, Kismayu is enough for everyone to live in with dignity and pride.

[A_Khadar]

GD said it all wisely. Let people move on to a viable and stable admin with permenant security to live in..

[Gabbal]

General Duke-

 

I am in agreement with you on this.