Carafaat Posted October 16, 2012 From 1969 to 1991 Somalia was ruled by a regime led by military officers mainly from the Gedo/Cabudwaaq folks. The regime came to power through the gun in a military coupe d'etat, the regime stayed in power through the gun and and in 1991 the regime collapsed after fighting its people with the gun. An important lesson, that Governance isn't established by military power but through understanding, dialogue and a democratic process. One competes for power in governance systems through political ideas and strategies. It's no secret that diffrent clans claim and are competing for the control city of Kismayo. They use their militia's and foreign military support as a leverage for power. Military leaders are not suited to establish nor lead civil goverment administrations. But there seems to be a particular clan still believing in military men and governance through the gun. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
The Zack Posted October 16, 2012 ^You understand Gedo folks and Jubba folks are the same clan, right? Just like Hargeisa folks and Burca folk are.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carafaat Posted October 16, 2012 There is a slight diffrence. Afmadow folks have the military support of Kenya and Gedo folks of Ethiopia. Gedo seems to have more militias and guns on the ground. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oba hiloowlow Posted October 16, 2012 this federalism wont work Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Jacpher Posted October 16, 2012 Apparenty Gedo is now responsible for all that took place under Siyaad Barre. I guess by the same logic, Moqdisho is responsible for all that death & destruction in Caydiid, Cali Mahdi era. Nice logic. And whats SL responsibile for? All the peace in Middle East? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carafaat Posted October 16, 2012 Jacpher, nobody said that. But one doesnt establish governance through the gun. That is a lesson we should have learned from that particular period. And especially this particular community. I shall await Gabbal's response. As he clearly supports this policy based on creating leverage through militaty power. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabbal Posted October 16, 2012 Carafaat- That perception (post-1991) has certainly existed but you must take into consideration the historical context. The genus of the 1991 civil war was the war between SNF and USC with its allies including the RRA. This community faced an existential threat to survive. It is popularly spoken by former USC members that if Aydeed (Alle hau naxariisto) had held Gedo, he would have become president of united Somalia. The mindset was a necessary defense mechanism. Whether this perception is relevant today is subject to interpretation but I am of the opinion it is not so. I am also not sure where you derived I believe in the leverage of military power and do not believe you are in the position to make that assessment. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carafaat Posted October 16, 2012 Gabbal, in another thread you posted 4 or 5 names of Generals and Colonels leading the clan militias that are on their way to Kismayo to participate in the Jubba conference. Military commanders leading militias and at the same time representing communities in a political conference. Clearly their mandate is not based on local community support but on muscles. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Gabbal Posted October 16, 2012 You misunderstood the topic good brother. See my last response. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Yunis Posted October 16, 2012 Lately, it’s astonishing that Secessionist boys are doing overtime on the affairs of Jubbaland. Their hope is war in kismaayo and its residents, creating negative threads left and right, and some people are falling for their nonsense. Their impending heart break is all clear to see; those inclusive talks that have been underway for months, will cement local stakeholders towards a peaceful agreement. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Mooge Posted October 16, 2012 hahahaha. carafaat war gedo mesha tabar kuma hayse ha warerin nimanka. today Gedo has the least leverage or power of all the big clans vying for kismayo control. there were times warlord hiiraale controlled kismayo, but fact of life is way different today ninyoow. ha warerin nimanka. they like faanka. look at how gabbal came out and said it is true perception exists. looooooooooooool. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites