Lower Juba (Jubbada Hoose) -- Province of Somali Republic

[Baashi]

Lower Juba Province (Jubbada Hoose) is an important administrative region of Somali Republic. It is one of the eighteen administrative regions of Somalia. Lower Juba consists of five districts (Afmadow, Xagar, Badhaadhe, Jamaame and Bajuni islands). Kismayo is the seat of the provincial government. It is also the commercial capital of the region.

 

Kismayo used to be one of the most developed urban centers of the country. It was known for its diversity (i.e. ethnic minorities such as Bajunis, Jareer-Weyn, Arabs, Persians, Indians, and Italians). It had a mature tourism industry. It’s signature Waamo hotel used to sport a zoo with elephants, leopards, lions, etc.). Its natural beaches - Liido and Calanleey -- were tailored for both local and tourist use.

 

Lower Juba was also the second most productive region of the republic in terms of agricultural output – only second to great province of Lower Shabelle. Lower Jubba region exported livestock, canned meat, banana and mango. It also produced rice in Mugambo fields managed by the Chinese – between Kamsuma and Jilib). Mareerey sugar canes used to be under Lower Jubba before Barre Administration redistricting move to appease his MOD clan base and ceded to the newly created Middle Jubba. Lower Jubba lost one of the most prized district of the nation Jilib district in eighties redistricting effort (managed by the socialist party powered by presidential decree).

 

The city didn’t produce generals and known politicians but it had great sport teams. It won majority of the national football tournaments (actually Lower Jubba won more national tournament than all of other Somali provinces combined). Lower Jubba’s women basketball team was also strong and only second to Benadir women’s team.

 

Today Kismayo is a disputed city. There are scores of clans and sub clans vying for control of the strategic port of the city.

 

I’ve searched the history of the city. Mighty Google search returned several links Wikipedia being one of them. I guess Wikipedia (imperfect as it is) is starting point for those who want to know the facts of the city http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kismayo. Lewis and et al could also shed light on demographics of the area and who resides where. Irrespective of the clan squabbles the region has the capacity to accommodate tens of millions (folks with the right skill and temperament).

 

Injustice, outright looting and marginalization will begot resentment and backlash. I know all other stakeholders can fend for themselves. However, minorities such as Bajunis, Jareer-Weyn and other Somali-Arabs, Persians, and Indians will be victims of dispossession, looting and marginalization. Who is going to look out for them?

[Baashi]

Kismayo is in the news again. Partisan nomads will post news tidbits and tell tall tales in effort to enforce fabricated narratives. This post is meant for silent readers who are confused about all the competing narratives and claims and counter claims. Don't buy what the snake oil salesmen are selling. They're all pushing their own fanatsy in an attempt to claim the far side of the moon. To them history started 1990s.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Axmed Madoobe for President of Jubaland for the next 4 years as he fought the longest against Alshabaab in those regions.

[Yunis]

Whoever becomes the president of the region will not be an issue, so long as it's sorted out at the negotiating table and not the barrel of the gun.

[Gabbal]

Yunis-

 

Right on. The important thing is the Jubbaland conference is one which has the signatures and support of the local stakeholders.

 

Baashi-

 

Without attempting to take away from anything you have said, it does seem a long time ago doesn't it when you and Samurai-Warrior were Gen Morgan's fan boys in this forum? Obviously you with a little more decorum.

[Carafaat]

Baashi, good thread and starting point to be aware of the facts and background of the region.

 

Its clear that any administration to be succesfull and effective, it needs to be inclusive,

representetive and uphold the value of diversity. This is something which clearly lacks in

Somalia. The Jubba region could set the example and become a turning point for the rest

of the country. Looking at the recent history of the region, its a must!

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

^^ Carafaat here is the problem with the Juba regions who are the indigenous people from those regions when you have people from hiiraan Mogadisho guriceel baydhabo Dhagaxbuur Cabuudwaaq claiming these regions. Where do you draw the line and who is a jubalander and who is not.

 

I say if you want an all inclusive admin fine good but let the people from those regions sort their internal affairs out IGAD should stay out of it the Mogadishu government should have no influence in forming that state. Waxay dadkaasi ku heshiyaan dawlada Somalia akhrika ha sharcieyso oo saa dawlad federal goboleed ha u noqdaan. But if you have to much interference from Mogadishu and Nairobi it wont work out.

[Carafaat]

Xaaji, the Jubba issue highlights one important clear dilemma. Is it the responsibility of the central

State to create the regional states? If the answer is Yes, then this top down approach clearly goes gainst

the whole federal idea. If not, then who will create the regional admin (militia's, IGAD)?

 

Thats why Somalia isn't and can't become a federal State.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Carafaat i my self was against Clan federalism but Somalia adopted a federal constitution so every 2 regions or more can form their own federal state let them try it out let it be an experiment if it doesn't work out fine. Its up to the people to establish a state for themselves Puntland did it on their own even though when Puntland was established there was no Somali government. When Galmudug was formed Somalia was under Ethiopian occupation. Its up to the MPS from Jubaland to establish a state along with the clan elders influential people raskambooni stakeholders they all need to come together and come to a solution with out to much meddling from IGAD and Mogadishu.

[Santaaro-Saaxiib]

baashi,

 

Haku daalin soomaali indha adaygooda maanta waxay maraysaa kuqabso kuqadimaysidee.

 

If you really want to settle this then anyone who was born and was lucky enough to be raised there owns the place. That means 1990 kids are welcome as well. :-) buuqa urn hanaga daayaan.

 

The likes of baashi will get senior pass.

[The Zack]

So now we have Somalilanders talking about Jubbaland and telling us what should and should not happen in Jubba.

 

To educate Xaaji Xunjuf and Carafat, Jubba's, other than being more fertile and prosperous, are no different than any other Somali gobol. For instance, Jubbada Hoose is 5 districts, as we already told you many times on those forum. 3 of them (Xagar, Badhaadhe, and Afmadow) are heavily inhabited by one sub-clan. The same sub-clan partially inhabits the other two districts, Kismayu and Jamaame. Who should administer that state should not be debatable irregardless of how that admin is built, majority always rules. That is a universal rule. Just like Waqooyi Galbeed is ruled by the majority, just like Gobolka Nugaal is ruled by the majority, Jubbada Hoose will be.

 

On another note, please stop the non-sense of "a lot of clans live in that state and catarabaqashka"! Most Somali gobols are inhabited by dozens of clans and majority clans administer them. Nobody questions that as nobody should. Do you have any idea the number of clans that inhabit Hiiraan? Or Shabeellada Dhexe? Do you know that Jareers heavily inhabit in Jowhar? Again stop the non-sense!

 

That being said, minority clans should have their rights respected. When a 1 man 1 vote comes in place, minorities will run for any office in Somalia and be the leaders, if elected. Mar danbe yaanan idinka maqlin Jubbada Hoose waa la wada degaa unless you tell us that Waqooyi Galbeed(Gabiley and co) are also inhabited by multiple clans.

[Santaaro-Saaxiib]

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bal usha dhig

[Jacpher]

^^I thought the poster made it clear he didn't intend this topic for the my-clan-owns-the-city folks. Take it else where waryee. Nin Kenyan boots sharaf ka doonaya adigaa la hayyaa sxb oo shalayna Itoobiyaan dad ku caayayay.

 

Kismaayo is for all and can house all Somalis regardless. The shiit will hit the fan when it comes time to settle properties issues in Kismaayo. If you think you saw the worst, wait to see what lies ahead in property disputes in the city coupled with people building and calling government properties, schools/super markets/streets, etc, homes.

[The Zack]

Santaaro-Saaxiib;880142 wrote:

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bal usha dhig

LOL Waayahay. Nimankan baan la yaabay - meesha qabiilo badan baa dego it is conmplicated iyo sheekadaa meesha la taagan everyday. Ma gobol Somali oo la wada degin baa jiro? LOL

[The Zack]

Jacphar caalacalka iyo nacamleynta nala dhaaf adeer. Goofkaaga ku ekow. Xabashi baa breast-feeds the admin you so much so support and claim. Kenyans are much better, if you didn't know.

 

Again, waano kaagama baahna kobtan, dadkaaga ka bilow.