Raskambooni movement its not up to President Hassan to create a federal state for our regions.

[The Zack]

Click on this link and scroll down to listen Hassan Sheikh's two speeches . Listen how different they are.

 

On Hiiraan: Locals need to create their own admin.

On Kismaayo: We will create an admin for them.

 

http://dhanaan.com/madaxweynuhu-markee-buu-saxanyahaybal-isku-dhageyso-labadan-cod/

 

 

Now, listen to Ras Kamboni's response:

 

"The president needs to read and understand the constitution, states choose their own admin, central government doesn't choose for that!"

 

http://dhanaan.com/seeraarmadaxweynuhu-dastuurka-dib-ha-ugunoqdodhageyso/

[Che -Guevara]

Considering there are many !diots that will be fighting over Kismayo, it makes sense for the Central Government takes over till the many factions realize they won't run the city like personal fiefdoms. And Somalia needs government that can impose its will on all of the country.

[The Zack]

^I disagree. Locals should choose.

[DoctorKenney]

Reer Hebel and Reer Hebel can't form a state. Really....Somalis really need to stop thinking of ourselves as Qabiils and move on. How is it that Somalis haven't learned after 21 years of warfare that claiming lands based on your lineage is harmful to the functioning of a modern society?

 

Before you know it, Somalis within Puntland will disagree and decide to form their own states, and before you know it, small cities like Garowe will be "Federal State of Hebel" and Calula will be "Federal State of Hebel"

 

Somalia will have like 10000 federal states, this is ridiculous. We still haven't learned

[Che -Guevara]

Zack-Under whose command?

[The Zack]

Che - under the command of those who drunk their own pee for it. - those who liberated it. A grand meeting is about to be held in Jubooyinka. All will be represented.

[Macallinka]

I think the people of Jubooyinka should seize this opportunity and held a big conference in Kismaaayo that is inclusive and form a Maalmul like any other maamuls in Somalia. If they don't do that of course Maamul waa loo samaynaa waana laqasaa !

 

 

As for the president he needs to treat everyone same, for him to say Hiiraan can establish their own administration but Jubbooyinka can't set up anything until is done for them is wroooooooooong.

[Chimera]

This topic really shows how skin-deep the disease of qabiil is, you will have grown men cloaking a national flag whenever they seek to criticise Somaliland or Puntland for disloyalty or disrepect, but once their own regions are in the spot-light, the President and all the symbols of the state are corrupt fools and institutions who need to stay out of their affairs, bloody clan-anarchists! They can be found in every section of the country.

 

An autopsy of their bodies would reveal a complete undiscovered organ fuelling this backwards mentality. Kismayo could be one of the greatest cities in Africa, but this animalistic territorial crap keeps dragging it further into the abyss. Kenya will be gone before their general election, if you putting all your cards on 'military force', you might end up losing everything.

[The Zack]

Some people are just out of touch! Some think Somalia is the UK. Clan is everything in Somalia. Like it or not.One can claim Xasan is a clanist, why is Hiiraan any different from Kismayo? Adeer the "president " is human and will be criticized and spoken against when he does wrong. Injustice will not be accepted specially when it is being done by a powerless and weak president!

[Chimera]

The Zack;877089 wrote:

Some people are just out of touch!

Or some are simply not myopic.

 

Some thing Somalia is the

UK

.

A flourishing civilization driven by a strong national identity? I would never confuse the two.

 

Clan is everything in Somalia.

Which is why Somalia is not a flourishing civilization driven by a strong national identity, and instead is a basket-case.

 

Like it or not.

Who the F would like the current situation outside of clan-cheerleaders and their chieftains?

 

One can claim Xasan is a clanist,

Not without tangible proof.

 

why is Hiiraan any different from Kismayo?

Kismayo has been the most hotly contested city in Somalia, only Mogadishu could come close to the almost non-stop power-struggles that happened there. Logic dictates that for there to be long-term stability in that city and surrounding regions, some areas of the country need to be treated with more care than others.

 

Adeer the "president " is human and will be criticized and spoken against when he does wrong. The so call

That is your right, people seem to confuse my respect for the office with thinking President Hassan as a person is untouchable. Not at all, if he messes up in the next four years, people will be harsh on him, and fair enough to that. However this is a matter of sovereignty, and this is a city under his jurisdiction, Mogadishu is the seat of the government, not Nairobi, and Kismayo is not Garissa.

 

Kenya will be gone before their potential powderkeg general election arrives, and the Federal army is going to grow in strength, My advise is to consult with the Federal government on this issue, and have the conference inside Somalia. This is a solution put forward by analysts covering the situation for a long time. We cannot tolerate two to three years down the line people taking up arms again because one group strong-armed all others only because they had a neighbour supporting them.

 

That is unacceptable.

[Yunis]

The clock is ticking for Pres. Xassan Miskiin in all fronts; he needs to promote all inclusive administration in the region, and by doing so endorse the hard earned frameworks established in Nairobi for the past few months. Apparently, traditional minority clan leaders and others with their own agenda have convinced him that their rights have not being preserved. They should be listened to and appropriate action has to take to resolve their grievances with government at the seat of the table.

 

However, if his endless consultation stalemate of naming a PM is any indication, there is no telling the unpleasant options that will come from a leader with large sections of Xamar still ungoverned, an empty government coffers and no professional army of its own and yet Xassan Miskiin wants to insist current Nairobi agreements are null and void. He needs to take a bold action by minimizing this circus of consultation in every thing he does or risk being another C-qaasim Salaad's 'wada tashi' all over again.

[Mario B]

Chimera;877091 wrote:

Or some are simply not myopic.

 

 

 

A flourishing civilization driven by a strong national identity? I would never confuse the two.

 

 

 

Which is why Somalia is not a flourishing civilization driven by a strong national identity, and instead is a basket-case.

 

 

 

Who the F would like the current situation outside of clan-cheerleaders and their chieftains?

 

 

 

Not without tangible proof.

 

 

 

Kismayo has been the most hotly contested city in Somalia, only Mogadishu could come close to the almost non-stop power-struggles that happened there. Logic dictates that for there to be long-term stability in that city and surrounding regions, some areas of the country need to be treated with more care than others.

 

 

 

That is your right, people seem to confuse my respect for the office with thinking President Hassan as a person is untouchable. Not at all, if he messes up in the next four years, people will be harsh on him, and fair enough to that. However this is a matter of sovereignty, and this is a city under his jurisdiction, Mogadishu is the seat of the government, not Nairobi, and Kismayo is not Garissa.

 

Kenya will be gone before their potential powderkeg general election arrives, and the Federal army is going to grow in strength, My advise is to consult with the Federal government on this issue, and have the conference inside Somalia. This is a solution put forward by analysts covering the situation for a long time. We cannot tolerate two to three years down the line people taking up arms again because one group strong-armed all others only because they had a neighbour supporting them.

 

That is unacceptable.

Preach brother preach!!

 

[Chimera]

Apophis;877097 wrote:

Dreams are great but one must still wake up and face reality.

Your a Kenyan proxy my friend, your entire stand is based on Kenyan interests, not Somali. I therefore take your underhanded insult as a compliment.

 

The president has shown himself to be undiplomatic and naive.

He's right on the money, and Nairobi will make their policy in sync with that of the government. This a long-term matter and you will see soon.

 

He should have sent a delegation to the forces which captured Kismayo, offered any help he can offer and consulted with those meeting in Nairobi. Instead, he and his Generals have been obtuse and rude to the forces who gave blood and coin to kick Shabab's teeth's in and dismissive of the Nairobi gatherings.

And worse, he does this knowing full well he has no iota of power to forestall the Jubba initiative

.

You clearly haven't got the slighest clue about international law and sovereignty do you? In the era of the transitional government the question of Somali sovereignty might have been in doubt, but that's over today. A single complaint to the UN Security Council by the Federal government would roadblock any initiative made in the Kenyan Capital, and the Kenyan government could risk being sanctioned if its policies are going against a legitimate government in Somalia.

 

If the FGS has no power, why all this fuss about the president's comments? The stakeholders in Kismayo and the Kenyan government are well aware of the seismic shift that occured on the political landscape of Somalia, 10 september 2012, its only you and a few others pretending we are still in the TFG era.

 

No, that's not how it works. First at least pay the wages of the Somali forces in the Jubbas then the central government maybe, just maybe, taken seriously.

All of the wages of the forces in the South are paid by Western entities, even your Kenyan superheroes. Secondly if your entire argument is based on how weak the current Federal Government - that inherited not a single penny- is, then you're in for a rude awakening when the funds for the Reconstruction of the Somali Armed Forces flood in, and all of the 'foreign forces' become obsolete.

 

Would that give the President and the FGS the right to sidestep the locals, just because they now have the military might to do so? HELL NO!! The same way today in the era of a legitimate post-transition government, nobody can sidestep the Somali government in establishing a new regional state while allowing a foreign state total access and consultation rights.

 

Stick to Garissa, if you don't respect Somali sovereignty.

[Chimera]

Apophis;877105 wrote:

Here comes the paranoia and insults.

To call someone a 'dreamer' when his argument is firmly rooted in reality is an insult my friend, albeit an underhanded one.

 

Yes, yes, we'll all "see soon" (sounds almost like a threat lol).

If the current reconstruction of Somalia's legal capacity in the form of returning lawyers is a 'threat', then I guess it is.

 

Really? International Law? Sovereignty? Those are your arguments? Because they worked so well for Libya, Iraq, Congo, Panama.......right? Maybe take your head out of the books and look around at reality. Just a tip.

What a red herring, the current internationally recognised government of Somalia is not a rogue state, and the President was elected legitimately through a indigeneous democratic process. The weight of the international law will fall on the federal government side, when it highlights how its own sovereignty is being undermined by another state.

 

And LOL@ Kenya government being sanctioned.

There are many cards for the Federal government to invoke if Nairobi's policy were to contradict that of Mogadishu. There are still several investigations ongoing with regards to potential 'war-crimes' on the part of Kenyan forces, not to mention a sea-dispute, which would give Kenya in the eyes of the international community 'motive' to derail progress in Somalia. Do not for a moment think that Kenya is squiky clean, or that Western governments with immense stakes in a stable Somalia will allow this new government to be discredited just because of clan-supremacy and discontent in a particular region.

 

A man can dream.

The same Kenya sanctioned by Congress for its military conduct inside its own borders? The same Kenya threatened with sanctions if it were to import oil from Iran?

 

If someone is dreaming, then its clearly you.

 

Because contrary to your pessimistic view of those complaining, they actually like the president and did in fact vote for him hoping the hostility of the Sharif era would be a thing of the past. My hope is that he will still come through for the people of the region but he has reduced his credibility slightly due to his gaffes. He can be forgiven but he must come with the right attitude.

The president hasn't said a single disrespectful comment towards that city and surrounding regions. His stance is logical considering the recent history there. If Kismayo was the capital of the country, the same careful stance would be projected towards another hotly contested city like Mogadishu.

 

Nothing unfair about this.

 

You seem to hate Kenya which is odd because they just liberated a huge chunk of the motherland.

Typical red-herring, to state that Kenya has a potential powderkeg election is not 'hating' considering the last one was pretty bloody. Secondly Kenya has ulterior motives that are well known, and which you seem to sweep under rug out of an innate sense of loyalty.

 

Be more objective.

Says the guy who called members respectfully 'criticising' the operation and aftermath in Kismayo as 'KDF bashing' on a different topic, while in this one uses expletive terms in reference to the President of Somalia.

 

Objective indeed.

 

The president already wants to sidestep the locals so with a huge army behind him it's not unrealistic to imagine he may do more than sidestep. All I'm saying is lets trust the locals and leave them to decide their future. It's a local issue not one of sovereignty.

He wouldn't do that, otherwise you could argue he would invade Somaliland with that huge army as well, but that's an illogical argument, considering he is well aware of the ills that brought down the last legitimate government, and he has no interest in repeating those mistakes. He and the coming PM, as well the government in general have jurisdiction over that region and city internationally recognised as part of the Federal Republic of Somalia.

 

Somalia belongs to me as much as it does to you so just grow up.

Well, your from Garissa, if we were to use the backwards logic maintained by several members on this forum, you have 'no right' to involve yourself in the political game of Somalia. Thankfully, I do not share that sentiment, and will retract the previous statement.

[Baashi]

Kismayo is the news again!

 

Let’s see who the players are:

 

Government forces and AMISOM forces

Kenya military and its proxy clan militia (Ras-Kambooni faction)

AS forces

Other clan interest groups

 

Kenya assembled three regional clan reps in Nairobi and asked them to share the region under the auspices of its military (not civilian government).

 

AMISOM stated that their mission is to improve security situation and assist Somali government take control over its domains. AMISOM is in sync with Somali forces.

 

Government forces have pledged their neutrality to the competing clans and promised they will consult clan reps in parliament in establishing regional government.

 

AS forces will continue waging guerilla war and make life in the region in a living hell.

 

Of all the forces jockeying influence in the region, Ras-Kamboni militia and its leadership are in a position to dominate Kismayo politics at this time. The militia is from the region and belong the majority clan in the region. The NFD is populated by their kin and Kenya military is led by a man from their clan.

 

Of course Kenya’s security interest is above and beyond clan squabbles in Somalia. Still Ras-Kamboni is the proxy Kenyans chose to employ in the Ganaane and Waamo region.

 

Aminta ducadaiyo Alle-bariga mooye arrin kale ma haynee; - (chorus sympathizing with and appreciating Inna Ali Sharmake’s difficulties in 1968)

Aaminta ducadaa, aaminta ducadaa, aaminta ducada iigu soo dadaalaa - (singer depicting Inna Ali Sharmake)

 

The new president has a huge mess at his hand in the wee hours of his presidency. This is truly a test of leadership