Tea Time With Brother Nur

[AYOUB]

Nur

Please give me direct answers. Dodn't rush. Take a month if that's what you need, and do and youself (if not this Section as a whole) justice. Give us your opinions. No hints or pregnant statements. Don't make us read between the lines just spill it out.

 

 

These days its very easy to recruit naive people to commit crimes by players with far reaching motives. I am sure that you have seen teh captured British soldiers in Iraq wearing Arab clothes who caught red handed fomenting secterian civil war in Iraq.

 

My take on the Somaliland incidence, is that I find no Somali group whatsoever with an interest to harm their brothers in Somaliland,

What do you mean "easy to recruit naive people to commit crimes"? How? If you sincerely believe that please don't make me second guess what you're trying to say...just clarify it for me please!

 

 

Ngonge

Your "restaurant" investigators report in this matter never mentioned Satan as a suspect. Who do you work for?

[Positive]

Ameen,

 

Somalis say " Waxaa jira waqti ay samada iyo aradku furan yihiin" meaning that there are times the portals to the heavens are open. I was referring to that thought. I mean that utterance is an action which is more potent than the sword. Thus we have to wisely choose what we say.

 

The Awakener2

[Nur]

Ayoub bro.

 

You asked:

 

"911 style attack prepared by the Ethiopians? How did they pull it off? Please elaborate and don't leave a stone unturned"

 

 

Answer:

 

If this is the question for which you are looking an exact answer my answer is:

 

I dont know how they pulled it off, I have no clue whatsoever bro.

 

As this thread has pointed out, fast breaking events that baffle our perception are not necessarily what they seem to be, we are like detectives at the scene of a crime, (literally in this case), and like you said, we should not leave a stone unturned to find the bare truth behind this crime, in my case I have turned a stone, and it remains to be seen what I found to be what I thought it to be, I think a period of month may prove my theory right or wrong.

 

As for the right interpretation of HOW it was pulled off, we are all equal in this turf when it comes to the HOWs of this Puzzle, instead, I took freedom to address the WHYs of this question as a stepping stone for the HOWs, the possible drivers and motivation of the culprits without putting a label of certainty on it, as only Allah was watching what was trully happening and continues to happen.

 

To me, the circumstances of this incidence, the sweeping victory of the insurgency in the South and the sudden surge of the Pirates and the international outcry follwoing these seemingly separate events prompted me to smell a coincidence theory similar in nature to the unexplainable 911 attacks ( 911 was an inside job by obscure US related secret organization, its cost the lives of 3000 innocent civilans in New York, and over a million in Iraq alone and counting, this has nothing to do with Islam )

 

Rest assured that I am not speaking from an authoritative point of view, mine is coming from a moderation point of view, please take freedom to cast your own interpretation of the HOWs of this event, as I am very eager myself to know HOW it was pulled off.

 

Once the ball gets rolling, I think more Nomads will be encouraged to throw in their theories of How this event was planned and executed and by whom.

 

 

Here are suspicious news items;

 

1. Pirates capture a Ukranian Ship carrying 33 Russian made Tanks en Route to Kenya.

 

a. Kenya has no history of buying Russian weapons, they are British Clients.

b. It was later reported that the Tanks were ordered by Southern Sudan.

c. But Southern Sudan is not Sovereign yet!

d. Kenya seals its border with Southern Somalia.

 

POSSIBLE ROUTE OF RUSSIAN WEAPONS WAS TO ETHIOPIAN TROOPS, TO ATTACK INSURGENCY WHO TOOK CONTROL OF KISMAYO SOMALIA.

 

Here we have an intersting case:

 

American money, Russian weapons, Ethiopian Soldiers and now EU Coast Guard? all struggling to control a popular Somali Resistance movement, yet they all fail.

 

We have a case of Pharoah without Moses.

 

But Pharoah seems to be chasing the weak Somalis to the brink of annihilation, when the tables are turned, and Pharaoh finds himself drowning in the Indian Ocean.

 

 

The Future is interesting!

 

Nur

[AYOUB]

^ To paraphrase comedian Haybe Jnr "way interesting dhaaftay". Nomads will soon meet the devil at the cross-roads. Maybe they already have.

 

 

Rest assured that I am not speaking from an authoritative point of view, mine is coming from a moderation point of view, please take freedom to cast your own interpretation of the HOWs of this event, as I am very eager myself to know HOW it was pulled off.

Saaxib I'm still looking for answers myself and I thought we were up to something when you said "..a fake well co-ordinated 911 style attack prepared by the Ethiopians.." Perhaps am guilty of taking this thread too seriously. I can add nothing more than confusion and theories but I don't think this is the right time and place. What I know for sure is; whenever these criminal acts hit us, people with all sorts of agendas try their very best to use them to their advantage. Some of them are linked to the criminals directly (or indirectly by turning a blind eye) while others are just making mileage out of them. Took me a while to figure that out, but better late than never, right?

 

PS Please let me be the first to know when you know the "HOW". The "HOW" seems to be "an unknown unknown".

 

Thanks for now.

[Nur]

Ayoub bro

 

As always, yours was a fresh breeze of curiosity in these smoke screened turbulent times, like you, I am always asking why? how? and who?, inshAllah, I shall keep you posted when I get the slightest whiff of truth behind these events.

 

 

Nur

[Nur]

Somalia: Another CIA-Backed Coup Blows Up

 

By Mike Whitney

 

"The Ethiopian invasion, which was sanctioned by the US government, has destroyed virtually all the life-sustaining economic systems which the population has built for the last fifteen years." Abdi Samatar, professor of Global Studies at the University of Minnesota, Democracy Now

 

December 02, 2008 "ICH" --- Up until a month ago, no one in the Bush administration showed the least bit of interest in the incidents of piracy off the coast of Somalia. Now that's all changed and there's talk of sending in the Navy to patrol the waters off the Horn of Africa and clean up the pirates hideouts. Why the sudden about-face? Could it have something to do with the fact that the Ethiopian army is planning to withdrawal all of its troops from Mogadishu by the end of the year, thus, ending the failed two year US-backed occupation of Somalia?

 

The United States has lost the ground war in Somalia, but that doesn't mean its geopolitical objectives have changed one iota. The US intends to stay in the region for years to come and use its naval power to control the critical shipping lanes from the Gulf of Aden. The growing strength of the Somali national resistance is a set-back, but it doesn't change the basic game-plan. The pirates are actually a blessing in disguise. They provide an excuse for the administration to beef up it's military presence and put down roots. Every crisis is an opportunity.

 

There's an interesting subtext to the pirate story that hasn't appeared in the western media. According to Simon Assaf of the Socialist Worker:

 

"Many European, US and Asian shipping firms – notably Switzerland's Achair Partners and Italy's Progresso – signed dumping deals in the early 1990s with Somalia's politicians and militia leaders. This meant they could use the coast as a toxic dumping ground. This practice became widespread as the country descended into civil war.

Nick Nuttall of the UN Environment Programme said, "European companies found it was very cheap to get rid of the waste."

 

When the Asian tsunami of Christmas 2005 washed ashore on the east coast of Africa, it uncovered a great scandal. Tons of radioactive waste and toxic chemicals drifted onto the beaches after the giant wave dislodged them from the sea bed off Somalia. Tens of thousands of Somalis fell ill after coming into contact with this cocktail. They complained to the United Nations (UN), which began an investigation.

 

"There are reports from villagers of a wide range of medical problems such as mouth bleeds, abdominal hemorrhages, unusual skin disorders and breathing difficulties," the UN noted.

 

Some 300 people are believed to have died from the poisonous chemicals.

 

In 2006 Somali fishermen complained to the UN that foreign fishing fleets were using the breakdown of the state to plunder their fish stocks. These foreign fleets often recruited Somali militias to intimidate local fishermen. Despite repeated requests, the UN refused to act. Meanwhile the warships of global powers that patrol the strategically important Gulf of Aden did not sink or seize any vessels dumping toxic chemicals off the coast.

 

So angry Somalis, whose waters were being poisoned and whose livelihoods were threatened, took matters into their own hands. Fishermen began to arm themselves and attempted to act as unofficial coastguards." (Socialist Worker)

 

The origins of piracy in Somalia is considerably different than the narrative in the media which tends to perpetuate stereotypes of scary black men who are naturally inclined to criminal behavior. In reality, the pirates were the victims of a US-EU run system that still uses the developing world as a dumping ground for toxic waste regardless of the suffering it causes. (just ask Larry Summers) In fact, the dumping continues to this day, even though we have been assured that we're living in a "post racial era" following the election of Barak Obama. Unfortunately, that rule doesn't apply to the many black and brown people who still find themselves caught in the imperial crosshairs. Their lives are just as miserable as ever.

 

ETHIOPIA'S PLAN FOR WITHDRAWAL

 

In 2006, the Bush administration supported an alliance of Somali warlords known as the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) that established a base of operations in the western city of Baidoa. With the help of the Ethiopian army, western mercenaries, US Navy warships, and AC-130 gunships; the TFG captured Mogadishu and forced the Islamic Courts Union (ICU) to retreat to the south. Since then the resistance has coalesced into a tenacious guerrilla army that has recaptured most of the country.

 

The Bush administration invoked the war on terror to justify its involvement in Somalia, but their case was weak and full of inconsistencies. The ICU is not an Al Qaida affiliate or a terrorist organization despite the claims of the State Department. In fact, the ICU brought a high level of peace and stability to Somalia that hadn't been seen for more than sixteen years.

 

Political analyst James Petras summed it up like this:

 

“The ICU was a relatively honest administration, which ended warlord corruption and extortion. Personal safety and property were protected, ending arbitrary seizures and kidnappings by warlords and their armed thugs. The ICU is a broad multi-tendency movement that includes moderates and radical Islamists, civilian politicians and armed fighters, liberals and populists, electoralists and authoritarians. Most important, the Courts succeeded in unifying the country and creating some semblance of nationhood, overcoming clan fragmentation.”

 

The Bush administration is mainly interested in oil and geopolitics. According to most estimates 30 per cent of America's oil will come from Africa within the next ten years. That means the Pentagon will have to extend its tentacles across the continent. Washington's allies in the TFG promised to pass oil laws that would allow foreign oil companies to return to Somalia, but now all of that is uncertain. It is impossible to know what type of government will emerge from the present conflict. Many pundits expect Somalia to descend into terrorist-breeding, failed state for years to come.

 

The latest round of fighting has created a humanitarian disaster. 1.3 million people have been forced from their homes with nothing more than what they can carry on their backs. Over 3.5 million people are now huddled in tent cities in the south with little food, clean water or medical supplies.

 

According to the UN News Center: "Nearly half the population is in crisis or need of assistance....Continuing instability, coupled with drought, high food prices and the collapse of the local currency have only worsened the dire humanitarian situation in recent months. The UN estimates that 40 per cent of the population, are in need of assistance. In addition, one in six children under the age of five in southern and central Somalia is currently acutely malnourished." (UN News Center)

 

The war between the occupying Ethiopian army and the various guerrilla factions has steadily intensified over the last two years. Fighters from the ICU, Al-Shabaab and other Islamic groups have moved from the south to the vicinity of Mogadishu where fighting could break out at any time. It's "game-over" for Bush's proxy army and the transitional federal government. They cannot win, which is why the Ethiopian leaders announced a complete withdrawal of troops by the end of the year. By January 1, 2009, the occupation will be over.

 

In a recent Chicago Tribune article, "US Appears to be Losing in Somalia", journalist Paul Salopek sums it up like this:

 

"(Somalia) is a covert war in which the CIA has recruited gangs of unsavory warlords to hunt down and kidnap Islamic militants...and secretly imprison them offshore, aboard U.S. warships. The British civil-rights group Reprieve contended that as many as 17 U.S. warships may have doubled as floating prisons since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks...

 

"Somalia is one of the great unrecognized U.S. policy failures since 9/11," said Ken Menkhaus, a leading Somalia scholar at Davidson College in North Carolina. "By any rational metric, what we've ended up with there today is the opposite of what we wanted." (Paul Salopek, "US Appears to be Losing in Somalia" Chicago Tribune)

 

The CIA has done its job well. It's created a beehive for terrorism and the potential for another catastrophe like 9-11.

 

Currently, negotiations are underway between the guerrilla leaders and the TFG over a power-sharing agreement. But no one expects the talks will amount to anything. The moderate ICU may regain power but the country will still be ungovernable for years to come. At best, Somalia is a decade away from restoring the fragile peace that was in place before Bush's bloody intervention.

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