No Federalism till South is pacified.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

I don't think its about ICU threats or Alshabaab if these people really wanted to organize themselves as a federal state they would've came together and talked about it not talking about districts sh sharif named referring to the stuff you posted. But a huge conference of state building i yet have to see that Galmudug and Ximan iyo xeeb are clan cousins why did they choose to have two separate clan states instead of one.This is a question we should ask our selves. Now federalism is a good thing on paper if Somalis understood the concept of federalism if Hiiraan gets divided into two regions. Than other regions in Somalia want to divide their regions so that they can have their own sub clan state instead of a bigger clan state that is more inclusive do you see where its heading Somalia.

[Somalia]

Well, we can't blame the misuse of federalism on the concept. It has worked in many countries throughout the world, it's a success, for example look at Germany it is federal, but it is getting closer and closer to a centralised state and it also had a reunification in 1990, so when the success of federalism is realised and put into effect, we might reunite with the separatist region Somaliland as the founder mudane president Tuur realised.

[Carafaat]

When will Azania secure Kismayo. Or will Faroole make Galkacyo secure enough to visit himself.

[Tillamook]

If a sub clan or a sub sub clan can form a good functioning state, then they have every right to do so. They shouldn't be prevented just because their next of kin isn't willing to join them.

 

Xaaji, I think it is you who doesn't understand how federalism works.

[Haatu]

Federalism shouldn't be a long time goal but it is something that has become necessary for a short term period.

[UZTAAD]

in federalism there is some thing called federal territory or A Union Territory. federal territory is an administrative division in the federal framework of governance. Unlike the states , which have their own elected governments, union territories are ruled directly by the federal government. if some parts of Somalia can not form their own state the federal government will directly rule it. so it is not mandatory that every region should be part of state. in the future Somalia may consist of several states and number of federal territories . i think those who are talking about hiiran and other places can now relax lol

[Haatu]

^ Then Gaalkacyo should be made a federal territory

[Somalia]

Carafaat;874729 wrote:

When will Azania secure Kismayo. Or will Faroole make Galkacyo secure enough to visit himself.

Hey! Faroole visited Gaalkacyo this year during the funeral of Halyeey Abdullahi Yusuf Ahmed, friend of Republic of Somaliland, with the president Sheikh Shariif & senior government officials and foreign dignitaries, after which they struck the Gaalkacyo Amendment (of Garowe Principles) and they all flew away from the airport which should not be named for Abwaan's health.

[UZTAAD]

lol if the people of galkacyo decide that they want to be a federal Territory i think no one is going to stop them. it should be decided by the people and the government not you mr HAATUU

[Carafaat]

Haatu;874735 wrote:

^ Then Gaalkacyo should be made a federal territory

Haatu, are you aware that the mighty D.. are native to Galkacyo. So I demand 4.5 ina wax lagu cuno.

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[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Somalia , you are not seriously comparing Germany with Somalia , Germany is a country of 81 million people a country which had a German empire for centuries. By the way Germany was not dealing with subclanish rivalries and divisions their provincial federal states are based on normal regional constituencies. Their division was eastern Berlin was under the rule of communist Russia while the western Germany at that time was capitalist Germany. Somalia is dealing with other problems Somalia needs a strong decentralized state which delivers basic services to its people instead of being busy building more Qabil states. But we shall see how it goes in 4 years time if there is more progress in building another Qabil state in another part of Somalia time will tell so far after 21 years we have one federal state.

[Somalia]

Xaaji Xunjuf;874742 wrote:

Somalia , you are not seriously comparing Germany with Somalia , Germany is a country of 81 million people a country which had a German empire for centuries. By the way Germany was not dealing with subclanish rivalries and divisions their provincial federal states are based on normal regional constituencies. Their division was eastern Berlin was under the rule of communist Russia while the western Germany at that time was capitalist Germany. Somalia is dealing with other problems Somalia needs a strong decentralized state which delivers basic services to its people instead of being busy building more Qabil states. But we shall see how it goes in 4 years time if there is more progress in building another Qabil state in another part of Somalia time will tell so far after 21 years we have one federal state.

I am comparing Germany because it also came out of a war and there was deep mistrust due to outside interference, the same with Ethiopia. The division with Somaliland is comparable cause we all fall under foreign influence due to lack of government. And if we have a federal system power will not lie with a few in a critical time of mistrust and borderline hatred.

 

We can't say not to federalism because some people are not capable of forming a government, we can't conform a good system. If we were to give an alternative structure of government there is no indication that these regions would abide by it.

[General Duke]

Carafaat;874723 wrote:

Duke dreams of clan states. He wants every clan to have State. That is his vision of governance. See Galkacyo divided by 3 States.

 

And wants to divide Mogadishu in 4.5 Clan zones.

Nonsesen. Somalia Federal Republic.

 

1. Somaliland NW

2. Puntland NE

3 South Central State

4. Jubaland

5.SWestern State

Banadir the Federal District...

 

Thats five regions and no more, so what are you complaining about?

[xiinfaniin]

Our northern brothers need to understand that Somalia will treat them justly and with dignity. Federalism is what Somalia's political stakeholders agreed to end the transitional period. Somalis will go to the polls come 2016 to ratify the federal constitution.

 

Carafaat should understnad that.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Somalia what if in 4 years time no states have been established than what and the situation in the middle regions is still the same Where u have ASWJ allied to the government and Oday Qeybdiid controlling half of Mudug. What is the government than suppose to do. Do you think its the task of the government to create federal states for the regions, or is it the task of the subclans all over the country?