The Nail Of Juhaa

[BiLaaL]

Castro, I think you and I are on the same page on the issue. Thanks for elaborating.

[Castro]

^^^^ Speaking of negative reporting, how about this Nigerian guy plastered all over television around the clock? What do you think is the purpose of the wall to wall coverage? The holidays are the time when most people in the West are at home and televisions are turned on. Is there a better time to remind people of al-Qaeda using a Muslim, a bomb and an airplane?

 

I read about 10 articles from different "news" sources on the incident today and not two had the same details. You can literally see the rubbish being sprayed around.

 

I bet you come 2010 when a supplemental "defense" appropriation bill comes to Congress, thanks to this "foiled terrorist attack" ( ) yet another 100 billion dollars will be approved, without a hitch, for the never-ending "war on terror": the greatest cash-cow of all time.

 

LOL. Ka cabso.

[LayZie G.]

Open Dialogue:

 

Castro's wafdi Vs Nur's Wafdi

 

CW: Do you support the AS?

 

NW: You can not focus on trivial matters, lets talk about the infidel government aka TFG and their sponsors, the CIA

 

CW: WTF?

 

NW: You heard me, you cant trust what you read or hear but wait a minute, I can read the media portals because I have the sense to know who is telling the truth and who is reporting fiction. I tell you, the world is against AS, they are a muslim brotherhood, who ousted the "axmaaro" according to a delusional hamza character and according to NW, the muslim brotherhood aka AS have been providing food and shelter and educating the young as early as 2006 maybe long before that, so why are you against them ya CASTRO?

 

CW: WTF?

 

NW: Are you serious? Let us agree to disagree but I tell you my boys AS are better than the infidel government aka TFG...btw, no atheist should take part in the debate because even the TFG are better than atheists because atleast they are not atheists.....CARA, you are screwed...oh wait, you are an atheist, what was I discussing again?

 

the End

[ElPunto]

^The thing is no one has a clue about your wafd. Insane/joker/drama queen/controversy (Deleted by Moderator) - who knows?

 

[ December 29, 2009, 06:25 AM: Message edited by: Nur ]

[Castro]

Textbook case of propaganda. Notice how in the beginning it's Mohamed Olad Hassan listed as a reporter but later at the end of the article his name is dropped. Also notice how this happened A MONTH AGO with no reference to anything happening after. With this single article "tying" a very likely fabricated incident in Mogadishu to another one in Detroit to pirates and al-Qaeda, miss Katharine Houreld (if she even exists) scores a jackpot. LOL. Lying b!tch.

 

Somali arrested at airport with chemicals, syringe

AP

By

MOHAMED OLAD HASSAN, KATHARINE HOURELD and JASON STRAZIUSO

, Associated Press Writers Mohamed Olad Hassan, Katharine Houreld And Jason Straziuso, Associated Press Writers – Mohamed Olad Hassan, Katharine Houreld And Jason Straziuso, Associated Press Writers – Wed Dec 30, 9:26 am ET

 

MOGADISHU, Somalia –

A man tried to board a commercial airliner in Mogadishu last month

carrying powdered chemicals, liquid and a syringe that could have caused an explosion in a case bearing chilling similarities to the terrorist plot to blow up a Detroit-bound airliner, officials told The Associated Press on Wednesday.

 

The Somali man — whose name has not yet been released — was arrested by African Union peacekeeping troops before the Nov. 13 Daallo Airlines flight took off. It had been scheduled to travel from Mogadishu to the northern Somali city of Hargeisa, then to Djibouti and Dubai. A Somali police spokesman, Abdulahi Hassan Barise, said the suspect is in Somali custody.

 

"We don't know whether he's linked with al-Qaida or other foreign organizations, but his actions were the acts of a terrorist. We caught him red-handed," said Barise.

(

Always make the nonexistent link

)

 

A Nairobi-based diplomat (

who?

) said

the incident in Somalia is similar to the attempted attack on the Detroit-bound airliner on Christmas Day in that the Somali man had a syringe, a bag of powdered chemicals and liquid — tools similar to those used in the Detroit attack.

The diplomat spoke on condition he not be identified because he isn't authorized to release the information. (

How convenient?

)

 

Barigye Bahoku, the spokesman for the African Union military force in Mogadishu, said

the chemicals from the Somali suspect could have caused an explosion that would have caused air decompression inside the plane. However, Bahoku said he doesn't believe an explosion would have brought the plane down.

(

The spokesman for the AU is not just a bomb expert but also an aircraft expert

)

 

A second international official familiar with the incident, also speaking on condition of anonymity because he isn't authorized to discuss the case, (

) confirmed that the substances carried by the Somali passenger

could have been used as an explosive device

. (

Conjecture? Anonymous corroborating the anonymous

)

 

In the Detroit case, alleged attacker Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab hid explosive PETN in a condom or condom-like bag just below his torso when he traveled from Amsterdam to Detroit. Like the captured Somali, Abdulmutallab also had a syringe filled with liquid. The substances seized from the Somali passenger are being tested.

(

Then remind people of the nonexistent link

)

 

The November incident garnered little attention before the Dec. 25 attack aboard a flight on final approach to Detroit. U.S. officials have now learned of the Somali case and are hastening to investigate any possible links between it and the Detroit attack, though no officials would speak on the record about the probe.

 

U.S. investigators said Abdulmutallab told them he received training and instructions from al-Qaida operatives in Yemen — which lies across the Gulf of Aden from Somalia. Similarly, large swaths of Somalia are controlled by an insurgent group, al-Shabab, which has ties to al-Qaida.

 

Western officials say many of the hundreds of foreign jihadi fighters in Somalia come in small boats across the Gulf of Aden from Yemen. The officials also say that examination of equipment used in some Somali suicide attacks leads them to believe it was originally assembled in Yemen.

 

Law enforcement officials believe the suspect in the Detroit incident tried to ignite a two-part concoction of the high explosive PETN and possibly a glycol-based liquid explosive, setting off popping, smoke and some fire but no deadly detonation. Abdulmutallab, a Nigerian national, is charged with trying to destroy an aircraft.

 

A Somali security official involved in the capture of the suspect in Mogadishu said he had a 1-kilogram (2.2-pound) package of chemical powder and a container of liquid chemicals. The security official said the suspect was the last passenger to try to board.

 

Once security officials detected the powder chemicals and syringe, the suspect tried to bribe the security team that detained him, the Somali security official said. The security official said the suspect had a white shampoo bottle with a black acid-like substance in it. He also had a clear plastic bag with a light green chalky substance and a syringe containing a green liquid. The security official spoke on condition of anonymity because he wasn't authorized to release the information.

 

The powdered material had the strong scent of ammonia, Bahoku said, and samples have been sent to London for testing.

 

The Somali security officials said the Daallo Airlines flight was scheduled to go from Mogadishu to Hargeisa, to Djibouti and then to Dubai.

 

A spokeswoman for Daallo Airlines said that company officials weren't aware of the incident and would have to seek more information before commenting. Daallo Airlines is based in Dubai and has offices in Djibouti and France.

 

___

 

Associated Press writer Katharine Houreld reported from

Baghdad

(

I thought the incident happened in Mogadishu?

). Jason Straziuso reported from Nairobi, Kenya.

Wretched source

[Laba-X]

Asalaamu Calaykum, ikhwa.

 

Yaa Castro and Xiin Can the current conflict in Somalia be considered or classified as some sort of Jihad, or is it simply a political power struggle of some sorts?

 

And to get to the crux of the matter, as you say, let’s talk about Martyrdom Operations. First though, we must decide whether there is Jihad in Somalia in order to discuss the Martyrdom Operations therein; for a discussion on these operations without Jihad would be rather futile, as they can’t take place if there is no Jihad in the field. They are a product of Jihad.

 

And I request a few things from you before we delve into the subject:

 

• That you discuss the issue with evidence from the Quran, Sunnah and the Salaf (not according to your logic or take on the subject but on the opinion of scholars)

• That you do not make simple sweeping statements and slap verdicts of transgression on anyone for carrying out these operations

• That you are fully aware of the situation you intend to discuss and the details of the martyrdom operation in question and the elements of the operation.

 

You agree and we can proceed of course. So is there any Jihad?

 

 

Wa-Salaam

[N.O.R.F]

^Jihad or no Jihad, AS' suicide bombings that kill MUSLIMS (MPs or civilians) is UNJUSTIFIABLE.

 

Use the same sources you suggested above and tell me otherwise. We are on the 4th page of this thread. Give us the goods LX/Nur.

[Castro]

Originally posted by Laba-X:

Can the current conflict in Somalia be considered or classified as some sort of Jihad, or is it simply a political power struggle of some sorts?

Yes and yes. It is a misguided Jihad and vicious power struggle. The statement below by Dr. Jamal Badawi (and others) in response to Bin Laden's calls for Jihad (similar to those made by the Shabaab) summarizes my position.

 

"Islam respects the sacredness of life, and rejects any express statement or tacit insinuation that Muslims should harm innocent people.

Despite our disagreement with certain American policies, we must never abuse the concept of Jihad to target innocent civilians.

 

"Jihad, which literally means 'struggle,' has an internal, societal and

combative dimension. The internal dimension of Jihad encompasses the struggle against the evil inclinations of the self, and the spiritual project to adorn the self with virtues such as justice, mercy, generosity and gentleness. The societal dimension includes struggling against social injustice and creating a communal identity based on charity, respect and equality. Finally,

the combative aspect of jihad is only to be used as self-defense against aggression or to fight oppression, and, even then, to be observed with strict limits of conduct that preserves the life of innocents and the sanctity of the environment. Moreover, this latter type of Jihad can only be declared by a legitimate, recognized religious authority.

 

"Using the concept of Jihad to justify harming the innocent is contrary to the letter and spirit of Islam. We condemn any violence that springs from this misguided interpretation."

[AYOUB]

^ Who is your legitimate, recognized religious authority ?

[genius pauper.]

Asalamu caleykum wrwb all muslims bros and sis

 

for the issue of somalia, it aint one sided, but a function of multiple events.

 

in fact-wise, here we go,,

islamically, it aint negotiable to get rid-off non muslims occupying forcefully ardal muslim.period. it is a must to fight them, irrespective of the means you employ, COME WHAT MAY.so, to fight amisom or whom ever follows them falls in this category.

 

perfection is not an attribute of the human. irrespective of the good intention you have, as human, you act within the faculty of committing wrong. there are many mistakes committed. and others will be committed. that doesnt mean, it is right to commit wrong, but it is wrong to commit wrong.so here falls dadka sida qaladka loo diilay oodhan.( runta weey fiicantahayee, horaan, waagi qabqablayaasha, yaa isweeydiin jiray qofkii ladilo??? runti waxaan u arkaa ineey horumar tahay in dadka kusoo bararugeen muqadasnamada dhiiga aadanaha)

there are elements of bad within the fold of muslims like munafiqiin.

 

 

about the issue of hotel shamoow, the act was wrong and wrong, but with regards to who did it, it calls for further clarity.(koleey muqawamada sida looga bartay, markeey howlgal sameeyaan, weey sheegan jireen. lakiin hadaad leedahay, tan arday ayaa kujirtay, oo saas ayaa loo qariyay, cadeyn uma haayo)

 

for muslims to fight between them, is something which can happen without anyone ceasing to be a muslim.this is clearly stated in the quran. for the issue of who is wrong or right, one is definately right and the other wrong.under islamic rulings, it is fitnah, and we muslims are better to not discuss it.

 

absolutely, implementing ths islamic sharicah, is a must, following the islamically prescribed rules.

 

to curse a muslim or abuse him/her waa wax laga fiicanyahay,,,,,,,,as a muslim, i would prefer inaan uduceeyo.

 

ALLAH HANOO XIFDIYO DALKEENA IYO DIINTEENA. AMIIN

[Castro]

Originally posted by AYOUB:

^ Who is your

legitimate, recognized religious authority

?

There is no such authority in Somalia today and it's certainly not the Shabaab or any of the other so-called Islamic movements.

[Abu-Salman]

Castro, my highlighting of a possible controversy around suicide bombing against non-muslims (that very takfiir may be "generously" spread around by some) was just to emphasise that things are not that simple and clear-cut since its proponents may reply from an Islamic point of view as I've been told. However, and clearly, the evidence seems much higher on the other side and most prominent scholars forbide it (I have always been cautious against that practice from what I know and was, obviously, not justifying suicide attacks).

 

The point, more generally, was that such issues, specially when involving Islamic Fiqh, are not as straightforward as the average Soler may think but rather necessitate broad as well as in depth knowledge; thanks to al-akh Xiin, we already have on other threads more scholarly evidence about the more fundamental issue of takfiir as well (who is non-muslim)...

[AYOUB]

Originally posted by Castro:

quote:

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Originally posted by AYOUB:

^ Who is your

legitimate, recognized religious authority

?

There is no such authority in Somalia today and it's certainly

not

the Shabaab or any of the other so-called Islamic movements.

You lost me there. The reason I asked you was because you said:

 

Originally posted by Castro:

quote:Originally posted by Laba-X:

[qb]Can the current conflict in Somalia be considered or classified as some sort of Jihad, or is it simply a political power struggle of some sorts?

Yes and yes. It is a misguided Jihad and vicious power struggle.

How did you come to those conclusions without ( according to you ) the necessary legitimate, recognized religious authority ?