Should Mogadishu remain the capital?

[Somalia]

Haatu;849104 wrote:

The cheek Somalia shows is amazing and endemic from the parts he comes from. Viewing all others as barbaric peace haters and oneself as the righteous who know and have maslaxadda umadda at heart! Federalism is the choice of the few who like the status quo and the division of the people into clannist/tribalist entities that serve the interest of the clan only and no one else. Somalia needs something that unites and fosters the notion of togetherness and brotherhood, not blind division and hatred. This federalism rubbish is only a temporary thing to appease a certain block of society. Come post-August when the constitution goes to the people, the wishes of the masses shall be heard loud and clear!

The proof of the pudding is in the eating. We unlike the rest have no rejected governing throughout the civil war and reject it now by coming with unrealistic governing methods, we have come with more progressive ideas in moving forward, a more realistic approach for the Somali people. That's why people such as yourself and Oba need to be taught how to go forward, we will no longer be held back by incompetent nabadiids, we will be a progressive society that will compete with the rest of the world.

 

We are the righteous and I have 21 years of moryaanimo as proof.

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Yaryaruurac aan waligood Xamar Caddeey arkin ayaa ka hadlaayo inay magaalo madax sii ahaato. I can't even believe Xamar's status as a magaalo madax can be even questioned.

 

Xamar was, is and will be a magaalo madax, regardless qabyaaladistiyaasha rabo inay ka dhigaan xarunta maamul goboleed magac u yaalka ah iyo kuwa Xamar u neceb qabyaalad iyo wax kale dartooda oo rabo in tuulo kale dusty ah laga dhigo magaalo madax.

 

Neither of these polar groups Xamar badali karo its status as a magaalo madax, xarunta iyo xudunta Soomaaliyeed. Xamar Soomaaliweyn idil ahaantooda ka wada dhaxeysaa and will remain so.

[Haatu]

Somalia (I hate to address you as such when you clearly think through a much narrower lens), do you think the poor mothers and orphans of the south chose to live in a state of constant violence and hunger. Do you think the poor masses chose to send their youth to early graves or does the blame lie upon the shoulders of the politicians? Don't blame the poor people of the south for the actions of their politicians and the actions of young men who were driven to the gun by poverty. Just because Allah blessed you with peace and others with war doesn't make you any better.

 

No one is calling for any delay (I for one am not). What we are calling for is that after August, the wishes of the masses should be taken into consideration. The style of governance adopted should not be imposed on the people but rather they should chose. If that means federalism or a decentralized unitary state, then so be at. At least we can have a consensus then.

 

As for your progress rhetoric, having different political beliefs does not make one a 'nabadiid'. Rather the 'nabadiid' is the one who sabotages the peace process preventing its conclusion.

 

One piece of advise, you cannot be a society without the rest of your brothers. It is about time you dropped your us-against-them mentality, we're not living in the warlord era anymore.

 

Soomaali waa mid,

waa ul iyo meyrax,

mataano weeyoo,

meel bey ka wada dhasheen

[oba hiloowlow]

^^

Well said brother Haatu

[Somalia]

Haatu;849132 wrote:

Somalia (I hate to address you as such when you clearly think through a much narrower lens), do you think the poor mothers and orphans of the south chose to live in a state of constant violence and hunger. Do you think the poor masses chose to send their youth to early graves or does the blame lie upon the shoulders of the politicians? Don't blame the poor people of the south for the actions of their politicians and the actions of young men who were driven to the gun by poverty. Just because Allah blessed you with peace and others with war doesn't make you any better.

 

No one is calling for any delay (I for one am not). What we are calling for is that after August, the wishes of the masses should be taken into consideration. The style of governance adopted should not be imposed on the people but rather they should chose. If that means federalism or a decentralized unitary state, then so be at. At least we can have a consensus then.

 

As for your progress rhetoric, having different political beliefs does not make one a 'nabadiid'. Rather the 'nabadiid' is the one who sabotages the peace process preventing its conclusion.

 

One piece of advise, you cannot be a society without the rest of your brothers. It is about time you dropped your us-against-them mentality, we're not living in the warlord era anymore.

 

Soomaali waa mid,

waa ul iyo meyrax,

mataano weeyoo,

meel bey ka wada dhasheen

Society has its progressives and its conservatives, some of us have tried through hell and fire to push the rest forward. The styles of governing that people such as yourself pose have been tried and failed, so we must try other ones. No one is blessed or cursed, some have had more rigor to work towards a better Somalia, and it is by no means fair that the rest now not question how to go forward in a realistic manner but question but try and shift the debate to implementing an already tested system.

 

There has been no 'we' for the past 21 years, so don't make this into a 'we vs you' battle now, it's we versus you when you come up with arguments such as changing federalism and will remain so.

 

As for the argument against Mogadishu being the capital, it should remain the capital if it has a federal status, otherwise it shouldn't.

 

@MMA. You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows, and I certainly don't need to go to Mogadishu to know how functions. Rather than blame this on qabiil hatred (ironic coming from you of all people), you should look this from a more standard view.

[Abwaan]

Somalia;849063 wrote:

“Duqa Magaalada Muqdisho, Ku xigeenadiisa iyo guddoomiyayaasha degmooyinka muqdisho dhamaantood hal beel ayay ka soo jeedaan kumana matali karaan dhamaan umada Soomaaliyeed” Duqa magaalada Garowe ee Caasimada Puntland (Dhagayso).

 

http://puntlandi.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/07/Duqa-Magaalada-Garowe-ee-Puntland.mp3

Let us put qabyaalad iyo caadifad aside, Garowe cannot replace Muqdisho in many ways....waxba adiga iyo kuwa qabyaaladda Xamar u diidaya ha iskugu nacamlaynina.

 

Tarzan iyo cid kalena midna Xamar dadka kama xigaan....!

[Somalia]

No one is saying it should be replaced with Garowe, adiga Baraxley ku ekow, this is for the big dogs.

[Abwaan]

Somalia;849152 wrote:

No one is saying it should be replaced with Garowe, adiga Baraxley ku ekow, this is for the big dogs.

lol adiga Suusacleey inaad soo dhaafto yaa kuu banneeyey? lool at big dogs....iga qallee maad iska keey dhahdid aan kaa geddistee....Kuwa MMA sheegay oo aan Xamar waxba ka aqoon baad ka mid tahay oo Suusacleey indhaha ku kala furay lol?

 

Xamar haddii aadan rabin malagugu khasbaayo weligaa ha imaan laakiin Soomaali baa kaa badan oo awlna rabtey haddana rabta!

[Haatu]

Somalia;849144 wrote:

Society has its progressives and its conservatives, some of us have tried through hell and fire to push the rest forward. The styles of governing that people such as yourself pose have been tried and failed, so we must try other ones. No one is blessed or cursed, some have had more rigor to work towards a better Somalia, and it is by no means fair that the rest now not question how to go forward in a realistic manner but question but try and shift the debate to implementing an already tested system.

 

There has been no 'we' for the past 21 years

, so don't make this into a 'we vs you' battle now, it's we versus you when you come up with arguments such as changing federalism and will remain so.

 

As for the argument against Mogadishu being the capital, it should remain the capital if it has a federal status, otherwise it shouldn't.

 

@MMA.

You don't need a weatherman to know which way the wind blows

, and I certainly don't need to go to Mogadishu to know how functions. Rather than blame this on qabiil hatred (ironic coming from you of all people), you should look this from a more standard view.

You claim that Somalia has been through a decentralized unitary state before, but tell me when. Give me the dates and the duration that Somalia held this status. Don't confuse a decentralized state with a centralized one.

 

As for the federalism issue, if in a popular vote the people chose against federalism (we're assuming it's a fair poll), what do you think reer NE should do? Join the lists of Soomaalidiid or bow down to the popular will?

[Somalia]

Haatu;849160 wrote:

You claim that Somalia has been through a

decentralized unitary state

before, but tell me when. Give me the dates and the duration that Somalia held this status. Don't confuse a decentralized state with a centralized one.

 

As for the federalism issue, if in a popular vote the people chose against federalism (we're assuming it's a fair poll), what do you think reer NE should do? Join the lists of Soomaalidiid or bow down to the popular will?

Decentralized unitary state is similar to the concept of centralized state but you give more powers to the local level, it's similar to the British system. The federal system allows every region to work for itself and divides power between the central and local one, the ultimate say doesn't have to be with the central one.

 

It's a concept not foreign to Somalis who throughout history have been divided up among clan lines, this was the same before colonialists made us a country. How can you satisfy Somalis with having the central power decide the ultimate say, it's simply not possible, we are backward in governing!

 

At this point there will be no discussion whether to choose the federal system or not, it's too late, you can never satisfy a Somali, it's that simple.

[Somalia]

Abwaan;849157 wrote:

lo adiga Suusacleey inaad soo dhaafto yaa kuu banneeyey?

lool at big dogs....iga qallee maad iska keey dhahdid aan kaa geddistee....Kuwa MMA sheegay oo aan Xamar waxba ka aqoon baad ka mid tahay oo Suusacleey indhaha ku kala furay lol?

 

Xamar haddii aadan rabin malagugu khasbaayo weligaa ha imaan laakiin Soomaali baa kaa badan oo awlna rabtey haddana rabta!

Hey, listen, I am not against Xamar, I am saying Xamar shouldn't become a federal state otherwise it is right it loses its status, but who am I to say that the indigenous people can't form a state when I have one, that's the problem here.

 

It's the rest of you that made it into a qabiil vs qabiil fight.

[Haatu]

Somalia;849163 wrote:

Decentralized unitary state is similar to the concept of centralized state but you give more powers to the local level, it's similar to the British system. The federal system allows every region to work for itself and divides power between the central and local one, the ultimate say doesn't have to be with the central one.

 

It's a concept not foreign to Somalis who throughout history have been divided up among clan lines, this was the same before colonialists made us a country. How can you satisfy Somalis with having the central power decide the ultimate say, it's simply not possible, we are backward in governing!

 

At this point there will be no discussion whether to choose the federal system or not, it's too late, you can never satisfy a Somali, it's that simple.

It's not too late. One way or another the constitution waa in loo qaadaa afti qarameed. Markaas baanu kala baxeynaa. Waa inoo 4 years time IA!

[Che -Guevara]

I recommend my front lawn to be new the capital.

[Shinbir Majabe]

Somalia;849164 wrote:

Hey, listen, I am not against Xamar, I am saying Xamar shouldn't become a federal state otherwise it is right it loses its status, but who am I to say that the indigenous people can't form a state when I have one, that's the problem here.

 

It's the rest of you that made it into a qabiil vs qabiil fight.

Magaaladee kale ayaa is leedahay Caasimad way u qalantaa oo aan Xamar ahayn? (sheeg magaalada aan ka mid noqoneynin Maamul Goboleed, oo dadka dhan u wada siman ee aad is leedahay halaga dhigo Xamar)..

[Somalia]

Shinbir Majabe;849191 wrote:

Magaaladee kale ayaa is leedahay Caasimad way u qalantaa oo aan Xamar ahayn? (sheeg magaalada aan ka mid noqoneynin Maamul Goboleed, oo dadka dhan u wada siman ee aad is leedahay halaga dhigo Xamar)..

That's exactly what I am saying should be decided by the upcoming parliament and why the article in the constitution makes sense.

 

I don't care about the city, I care about the federal status. Why some of Muqdisho's residents would want to give up such a precious title is beyond me.

 

@Haatu, we'll see.