Why so many somali-canadians who go west end up dead.

[Bluelicious]

Cambuulo iyo bun;849837 wrote:

Yeah but the question is why do these teenagers choose this sort of lifestyle is it ''easy money'' that is entices them

Everbody wants to know that too. I wouldn't know only them can tell us what drives them.

[Aaliyyah]

Cambuulo easy money is probably a factor. But, that is not the whole picture. Only someone who is already corrupted would be interested in getting money the easy way.

[LayZie G.]

Poster, murder, gun violence is not exclusive to Somali Canadians or any ethnic community in qurbaha for that matter. Instead, you should have opened with the following question: Why are guns so readily available?

 

 

 

 

You only have to grab the local paper of ................ to know that some kid or kids were gunned down in ........... corner...just fill the blanks.

(see how easy that was?

 

 

Scapegoating the parents:

 

 

Just as Somali parents have issues they are confronted with daily, children are confronted with many challenges. A child doesn't have the answer to why he is hanging with Ali and Cilmi, the local gang leaders, when he doesn't even know who he is...or where he is going...

 

 

I don't have all the answers and I dont think anyone here does either. However, research is lacking. We need to understand the problem before we assign blame.

 

I'm not saying that I have all the answers.. Far from it. But I know you dont know either, so stop pretending that

you have all the answers as to why these children fall victim to gun violence. Some of the stories are tragic,

and it goes much deeper than hanging with Ali and Cilmi.(that could be their coping mechanism)..

and if you can't figure that out then you have no business making commentary about youth violence.

 

 

The Somali Diaspora:

 

 

When we arrived to location A, B, or C, our parents, including the parents of these children that are dying both here and abroad had to learn to cope, adapt to their new surroundings. The children of these hooyo and Aabo's not only have to cope and adapt to their new

surroundings but they see that their new settings are characterized by divisions along ethnic, religion, race, class and sometimes political

lines. Thats too much for an adult to confront but imagine being a kid? Do you think you can tackle of these issues and still overcome the

barriers?

 

The parents do not know how to cope with such problems. The children are constantly confronted with challenges of overcoming what it

means to be a teenager living in a far away place and they have all the other characteristic of a new setting to deal with.

 

Child and parents alike are struggling. So for us to sit here and place the education or the justice system on trial, or make a scapegoat of

the parents, or maybe put the blame squarely on the shoulders of the host society aka nanny state is reckless and even a tat bit

dangerous.

 

 

We live in a dark world. Some day soon, this generation of children are suppose to inherit this dark and dangerous world...and we are

sitting here playing the role of judge and jury. Get up and do something constructive...

 

 

 

Best Wishes,

 

LayZie G.

[GaraadMon]

Maybe Somalis should avoid sticking themselves in to ethnic enclaves, you don't need to live in the same tower block to have a strong community. What's the point of leaving Somalia if you're going to build a replica in your new country?

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Eebba ha u raxmado labadaan marxuum maanta la dilay. Two more down. Sanadkaan dhalintii waa loo tashtay. Wax walbana faraha ka baxday now.

 

Deadly bangs and two deaths end a quiet summer in Thistletown

 

 

As rain falls, moody grey weather, two males are zipped into polyethylene cadaver bags.

 

The morbid packages, dead weight, are loaded into a couple of black body removal vans, doors slamming shut, for transport to the morgue.

 

It is 10:06 Tuesday morning.

 

This is how it ends, over and over again, when gunfire flares in Toronto. Homicide #39 and Homicide #40 for 2012.

 

No ID was found on the victims. But just after 5 p.m. police released their names:

Suleiman Ali

, 26, of Toronto; and

Warsame Ali

, 26, of Vaughan. The men are not related and hail from historically rival gang swatches. They were, however, known to police and “familiar with the area,” as cryptically phrased by police spokesman Const. Tony Vella.

 

The two were found lying face-down in an alley behind a row of townhouses, a sprawling public housing complex in Thistletown. One, at least, had the back of his head blown off. Killed by “obvious gunshot wounds,” as the initial police statement put it.

 

BANG! BANG! BANGBANGBANG!

 

Five shots are what several residents heard; first two, then a pause, then three more in quick succession. A middle-of-the-night noise not rare in this part of the city, Jamestown Crescent. And the sound of footsteps, running away. Black guy in a hoodie.

 

“A big f---g gun,’’ says a fellow who lives close by, speaking knowledgeably. “Like a .45.’’

 

Serious gun, that would be, though investigators haven’t revealed whether shell casings were recovered. Forensic teams, day shift replacing night shift, were scouring the scene, an awning erected over where the bodies dropped. Cops canvassed door to door. What did you see? What did you hear?

 

There are security cameras affixed to walls, two of them directly overlooking the crime scene. Yet those who live here maintain the apparatus is empty, nothing inside, the cameras removed two months ago and never replaced. Not so, counters TPH spokesperson Sinead Canavan. “All of the cameras there are working. The empty cases are from an old system that we no longer use.’’

 

So maybe useful surveillance video captured the crime.

 

“I saw one of them lying on his stomach, before they put him in the bag,’’ says a bystander. “He looked young. He was wearing Adidas and pants pulled down low, so you could see his underwear. They were white.’’

 

It’s a detail, of vulnerability, that seizes the reporter’s heart.

 

But that glimpse of one victim was hours after the double murder, after daybreak had rendered the scene less menacing, with officers milling about and observers pushing closer.

 

They don’t give their names, those who claim to have seen or heard something, because that’s what they’ve learned is prudent when the media come around.

 

“I have to live here,’’ says a woman, peeking cautiously from behind a screen door. “And I have a son …’’

 

That son — not a boy, grown-up, with do-rag holding back lank black hair — had looked out his window when he heard the shots, cautiously, barely twitching the curtains. Didn’t even consider stepping outside to check if the victims were still alive. At around 1:30 a.m., maybe 20 minutes after the shots, he watched as the first responding officer arrived, a female cop, alone. “She walked up, took a look, then went boogie back fast to her car, like, what the f---.’’

 

Chortling, among the little group of idling males that have gathered.

 

No one present will admit to making the 911 call. “People around here don’t call in gunshots,’’ says one middle-aged man who grew up in the complex and never left. “As common as firecrackers, man.’’

 

Others insist it’s been an unusually quiet summer, hereabouts, uneventful. Felt safe, even, for a change. But most don’t want to speak about the incident, or their community, at all, not to an outsider; foreign-born women in long skirts drawing head coverings across their faces, holding firmly onto their young children’s hands as they bend below the yellow police tape.

 

Greenholme Jr. Public School is only 300 or so metres away. When kids began emerging from their homes yesterday morning, they had to detour around the kill scene. Nigel Barriffe, a teacher and self-described community activist, came right down John Garland Blvd. to chaperone those youngsters to school, calming their anxiety. “We have hard-working people in this community,’’ he said. “You can see the kids going to school; they love school. But they’re starting to understand what’s going on. They see the growing gap between the rich and the poor in Toronto.’’

 

The shooting transforms quickly into an indictment of social malaise unaddressed. “We’re still not providing the appropriate resources that this community needs,’’ Barriffe continued. “And this is another example of it. If we don’t deal with the roots of this problem, this is what’s going to continue to happen. It’s got to stop. We’re scared, there’s no doubt. We don’t like what’s been going one. Nobody wants violence in their community.’’

 

But they’ve known it intimately.

 

This is Jamestown Crips territory, in the slice-by-slice infestation of street gang activity, criminality that coalesces around the city’s poorest and most marginalized neighborhoods.

 

With the homicide investigation still in its infancy, it’s too soon to make any assumptions about what happened on the backside of John Garland and why. Other shootings in recent weeks and months, however, have been testament to purported gang wars blazing, between factions and also within, with members apparently vying for leadership. Police have identified the Galloway Boys as culprits in a slew of violent episodes and purported revenge killings.

 

Yet Jamestown Cres. has seemed outside the havoc that has seized areas in distant Scarborough, uninvolved — unless the skirmishes are now mutating and expanding, bleeding beyond geographical boundaries. In this wedge of the city, the most notable recent violence — blamed on squabbling between the Jamestown Crips, the Mount Olive Crips (farther north, in Vaughan) and the Doomstown (Rexdale) Crips — dates back to a spate of feud shooting three and four years ago.

 

Just this past July, Jamestown Crips member Awet (Dolo) Asfaha was sentenced to life in prison for the first-degree murder of Michael Kim Bishen Golaub, gunned down in August 2009. The innocent 34-year-old father of four — no gang affiliation — was slain as he chatted with a friend at a backyard barbecue, ambushed from behind. A second accused, Christopher (Hitz) Sheriffe, was convicted of second-degree murder in that killing, denying prosecution contentions that he was the leader of Jamestown sub-group called The Hustle Squad.

 

In April, Jermaine Gager of the Doomstown Crips also received a life term in the 2008 murder of Darnell Grant, 31, a father of six and innocent bystander. Grant had been walking to a visit a friend on Driftwood Ct. when three men unleashed a spray of gunfire. Court heard that the outburst — a fusillade of 22 bullets — was intended as a display of intimidation by Doomstown Crips driving into Driftwood Crips territory. Justice Robert Clark observed contemptuously: “You were such a pathetic marksman that you only managed to hit one person. It boggles the mind, the senselessness of this violence.’’

 

That gang violence brought extra police flooding into the district, much to the approval of a besieged community. For a while, it worked. But gang activity is never quelled for long.

 

At John Garland Blvd., as the meat trucks pulled away Tuesday morning, one long-time resident shrugged his shoulders. “Just another chapter in the memoirs of growing up in Jamestown.’’

Toronto Star

[Aaliyyah]

All these men seem to have one thing in common, they are all somehow related to gang groups. Marka mala odhan karo wa lo tashtay, yaga ayaa dad xun isku xidhey.

 

Alle ha u naxaristo labadan marxuum. Sabar iyo imaan to their families.

[Nin-Yaaban]

AUN. Waa wax laga naxo.

[GaraadMon]

Apophis;871304 wrote:

I actually Googled Jamestown crescent, Toronto and it looks so peaceful, not like a ghetto with monthly murders.

Toronto is safe by North American standards, not European.

 

We've had 47 murders so far in Toronto. Compare that with Chicago's (a similar sized city) 57 homicides in August alone and you get the picture. Crime rates in Toronto are the wet dreams of every big city mayor in the western hemisphere.

[raula]

^^

on a side,many somalis are getting/have gun permits:D not sure they understand the real dangers of keeping it at home or carrying it around. But then it could just be an 'exported habit' from the last 20+yrs:D

[OdaySomali]

Waa ayaan darro'. It must be anguish for the parents.

[OdaySomali]

Bluelicious;849827 wrote:

These young men knew their chosen lifestyle would get them killed some day it was a matter of time.

Blue, be a bit more compassionate walaal. For all you know their family members are on these forums; and knowing that they chose/got caught up in that lifestyle, is not any less painfull or anguishing and certainly does not provide comfort to their families. Imagine if your brother or son got killed and what you are saying now, was said to you. But it is indeed very unfortunate and regrettable.

[Kool_Kat]

When kids are raised in the ghetto, such things can be expected! Many Somali families choose to raise their kids in high crime areas to save money, while driving the lastest cars or owning homes in Canada or overseas...Noone should be driving a $20,000+ car, while claiming to have low-income and paying $300 or less for their monthly housing charges! Xaaraantaa dhuuqdid, meel kalaa ka gudee!!!

 

Allaha u naxariisto labadan dhimatay, cidahoodana samir iyo iman ka sii...

[Bluelicious]

OdaySomali;871361 wrote:

Blue, be a bit more compassionate walaal. For all you know their family members are on these forums; and knowing that they chose/got caught up in that lifestyle, is not any less painfull or anguishing and certainly does not provide comfort to their families. Imagine if your brother or son got killed and what you are saying now, was said to you. But it is indeed very unfortunate and regrettable.

I understand where you are coming from but I don't think i've been that harsh in my comment, I don't have any compassion for a person who chooses to live a certain lifestyle and gets killed by it. They don't have any compassion either when they are harming other people when they are living that lifestyle. You get what you worked for when their death comes around I may give my condolences to the family but i'm not compassionate about their death.

[A_Khadar]

AUN.. It was exactly their time to go, but indeed tragic how the left from this world. May Allah easy their families the pain they are going through..

[Aaliyyah]

Kool_Kat;871378 wrote:

When kids are raised in the ghetto, such things can be expected! Many Somali families choose to raise their kids in high crime areas to save money, while driving the lastest cars or owning homes in Canada or overseas...Noone should be driving a $20,000+ car, while claiming to have low-income and paying $300 or less for their monthly housing charges! Xaaraantaa dhuuqdid, meel kalaa ka gudee!!!

 

Allaha u naxariisto labadan dhimatay, cidahoodana samir iyo iman ka sii...

You made a valid point. It is only now that many somali parents are realizing the consequences of their actions. So you can say good part of our generation were somewhat an experiment

The current young parents like yourself inshallah can learn from this and raise their kids in a better environment.

Alle ha unaxaristo labada marxuum. Anyone know masjidka lugu tukanayoo Iyo waqtiga?