OdaySomali Posted June 3, 2012 2012/02/01 Ethiopian troops kill civilians in Beledweyne Four people were killed and two others were injured when Ethiopian troops in Beledweyne town opened fire on civilians at a bridge in the city, reports say. A woman and a primary school head teacher were among those killed during the fatal incident. . 24 January 2012 Mogadishu — The Ethiopian troops in the town of Beledweyn in Hiran region, central Somalia have deliberately shot and killed at least three civilians over 'Al-shabab suspicion', reports said on Tuesday. Shabelle Media reporter in the town say, the Ethiopian soldiers have separately killed on Tuesday afternoon three persons, including teenagers and a well-known businessman August 16, 2008 CNN Ethiopian forces in Somalia have killed at least 46 civilians after a roadside bomb ripped through their military convoy, residents said. The violence happened Friday on the road linking Mogadishu to the agriculturally rich town of Afgooye, residents said. Omar said he and others fled to the nearby forest as the Ethiopian forces began shooting everywhere. Some of the dead were recovered from the forest on the side of the road, indicating some passengers tried to escape the shooting, she said. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OdaySomali Posted June 3, 2012 And as Somalis bicker among themselves, the slaughtering of innocent civillians in the Somali region of Ethiopia continues. Soomaalaay goormay nacaladu idin kortay? " frameborder="0" allowfullscreen> Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OdaySomali Posted June 3, 2012 Canabeey Carafaat iyo kuwa isaga oo kaleeto ah ha sugin! Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OdaySomali Posted June 3, 2012 Ethiopia: ‘Special Police’ Execute 10 An Ethiopian government-backed paramilitary force summarily executed 10 men during a March 2012 operation in Ethiopia’s eastern Somali region. Detailed information on the killings and other abuses by the force known as the “Liyu police” only came to light after a Human Rights Watch fact-finding mission to neighboring Somaliland in April. On March 16 a Liyu police member fatally shot a resident of Raqda village, in the Gashaamo district of Somali region, who was trying to protect a fellow villager. During this operation the Liyu police force summarily executed at least 10 men who were in their custody, killed at least 9 residents in ensuing gunfights, abducted at least 24 men, and looted dozens of shops and houses. “The Liyu police abuses in Somali region show the urgent need for the Ethiopian government to rein in this lawless force.” said Leslie Lefkow, deputy Africa director at Human Rights Watch. The Ethiopian government’s response to reports of abuses in the Somali region has been to severely restrict or control access for journalists, aid organizations, human rights groups, and other independent monitors. Ethiopia’s regional and federal government should urgently facilitate access for independent investigations of the events by independent media and human rights investigators, including the United Nations Special Rapporteur on extrajudicial and summary executions. “For years the Ethiopian government has jailed and deported journalists for reporting on the Somali region,” Lefkow said. “Donor countries should call on Ethiopia to allow access to the media and rights groups so abuses can’t be hidden away.” . Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OdaySomali Posted June 4, 2012 Ethiopia foreign ministry: “The policy was to respond to ...take the war to Somalia and, along the way, aggravating the contradiction between the Somali clans. ” “ Regarding the natural resources, all the big rivers in Somalia flow from Ethiopia... as our country steps up its development, we will have to dam the rivers for irrigation purposes.” Peace, democracy and development in Somalia would not benefit Ethiopia.” Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted June 4, 2012 Oday...stop with the propaganda, our brothers like us:p Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
GaraadMon Posted June 4, 2012 Sure there is a shared history, but there will be no brotherhood under the current administration and its western backed policies. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Coofle Posted June 4, 2012 Guys please don't mix things together. Carafaat has clearly denounced the actions of the Ethiopian govt, But he merely pointed out that living together in harmony with our neighbors is a must to achieve the prosperity and abundance we dream for our Somalia. Carafaat, I disagree with you when you say pan-somalism is dead, Well Pan-somalism still lives but in a different and more dangerous form, back in the days it was based on unyielding emotions "Qiiro Japaan"(and still by many people) but now a group of somalis are emerging like you that believes in Diplomatic and tactical planning to restore this hope.. through sheer propaganda and careful planning but not through spilling of blood Pan-somalis could be a dream come true....only such a dream could hold the somali fabric together and if it dies so dies the true Somali identity thus Pan-Somalists like Coofle here will seek home in the secessionist states they are from .... personally I believe that for the time being the Somali people in Ethiopia should start embracing Ethiopia as their country, imagine if kilil 5 was an economically thriving zone just like other places it would have been a haven to the poor and displaced somalis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carafaat Posted June 4, 2012 oba hiloowlow;837927 wrote: Ethiopia iyo soomaaliya waligeed colaad baa ka dhaxeeyneyso,, gabdhahaas sidaa loo galay ilaahay caafimaad ha siiyo,, carafaat gabdhahaas fiiri saa loo galay.. Oba, gabdhahaas somali u shaqeysa dowlad xum ayaa sidaa u galay. Wexe la mid tahay,wexe Al Shabaab dadka ku sameyso. Iminka ma waxa leedahay dadka Kismayo ayaa cadow,madama Al shabaab xoog ku maamusho meshaas? Naga dee. Populist, ignorent and cheap arguments. The Ethiopian people are the biggest victims of the Melez regime. God only knows what Oromos have to endure, and they form by the biggest Ethiopian population. Oday Somali, come with better arguments explaning why you considerr the Ethiopian people as our enemy. That Melez regime violates human rights, tortures, kills and burns down villages is well known Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abtigiis Posted June 4, 2012 Carafaat's thread would have been precocious were it not for the fact that it is untimely. When a church decided to put an avowal by way of displaying "Jesus is the anwer" on top of its front door, cheeky vagrants sneaked in the fullness of the night and scribbled "what is the question?", which took the whole matter into a whole new philosophical discussion, far from the theological one it was meant to be. Likewise, the right reposte to Carafaat's "Ethiopians are our brothers" is "who is saying they are not?" They sure are our brothers- even more closer to us by looks and culture, than fellow Africans. The baffling question is why Carafaat is talking about "we should never invade neghibours (ethiopia) to realise the Somaliweyn dream". Is this really an issue today? It is not. It is also unlikely to be a problem in the future, which means Carafaat is solving a non-existent problem! Secondly, is it the right time to talk about Ethiopian and Somalian rapprochment and brotherhood when somalis are still in need of national reconcilliation. First things first. Somali reconcilliation is the theme we need to invest time on, not some maudlin mending fences with neighbours. To his benefit, Carafaat may also need to know that Ethiopans also have deep fissions and are badly in need of internal national reconcilliation. The two governments (somalia and Ethiopia) are friends as I write, in deed one is the custodian of the other. So, why talk about issues that are not issues at all. As for the situation in the Somali region of Ethiopia, it has nothing to do with the pan-Somali thing of the past. The evidence is there that none of the somali entities (TFG, Puntland, Galmudug, Somaliland etc) are hosting or helping the ONLF. In fact, these entities are actively fighting ONLF on behalf of the Ethiopian regime. Which means, there is no connection between the fighting that is ongoing in somali region and pan-Somalism. As to the friendship with Ethiopian people, we sure are and somalis in Addis and elsewhere will tell you more about this. But this social coexistence has nothing to do with the actions of the politicians in both countries (politicians who do not represent the people in Somalia and Ethiopia too). In a nutshell, there is no issue here unless we are just fond of palaver and arguments for the sake of arguments. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carafaat Posted June 4, 2012 Abtigiis, you are right sxb. there is a friendship and coexitence with the Ethiopian people. This has nothing to do with the actions of politicians. And I agree with you there is no real issue here. I was simply curious how people would react. And I must say, its quite suprising to observe how emotional, irritational and even illogical some react on the mere suggestion of being friends with Ethiopian people. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
NGONGE Posted June 4, 2012 ^^ Clever shuffling of feet there, A&T. Carafaat, a script that loves to cause controversy has you all beat here. His argument is water proof and does not appeal to the emotions (unlike his detractors or the subject-changing A&T). Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Abtigiis Posted June 4, 2012 Where I go for coffee in Nairobi (which I will take you when you visit us here), we often sit around one table (somalis, Eritreans and Ethiopians) and enjoy the day. You will not notice one bit of rancor or enemity. So, the issue of friendship between Ethiopians and Somalis is naturally resolved. The curtain of ignorance and mutual suspicion has long gone after the two communities mixed due to the influx of somali refugees into Ethiopia. You will find residual hate here and there, but that is really commonplace everywhere else in the world. Regarding the relationship between ETHIOPIA and SOMALIA as countries (not Ethiopians and Somalians as people), there will continue to be mutual suspicion and enemity so long as such relationshiop is not based on equality and mutual respect for the soverignity of the other. The evidence so far is that the ethiopian regime does not want a stable somalia, and therefore it is difficult to ask partiotic Somalis to be magnanimous, when such magnanimity is synonymous with dereliction of national duty. Somalis will continue to dislike Ethiopia (the country) for what it is doing to their country and to their kins in Somali region of Ethiopia. The key for a better relations today is in the hand of the rulers of Ethiopia, not in the hands of Somalis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Carafaat Posted June 4, 2012 Ngonge, what is it that unlocks such strong emotional reactions among our people when you say Ethiopia? And why dont we have the same motional reactions towards Kenyans? British, Americans, French or other (neo)colonial powers? I think it might be something to do with the logic of clannism. that the clan clossest to you, unlocks most emotional reactions?? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
