Polarization between Regionalist, Centralist and Islamist. How can we solve it?

[Carafaat]

Since the fall of the central State in 1991 reconstructing a Somali State has been obstructed by individual politician with their regional(traditionalist), western orientated or islamist political ideologies.

 

Nowadays these groups tend to be a little more constructive that they have been in the past(for example they work together in the TFG). But the polarization surfaces now and then, and tends to cloud the debate on Somalia's reconstruction. This happend recently on the Somali constitution, discussion on federalism and The Turkey Conference.

 

Whenever polarization takes extreme shapes in tends to disenfrenchise people, pollute the debate and create unconstrictive results. For example the debate on the Turkey Conference is presented as regions(Puntland, Galmudug,etc) vs unionist (Hiilqaran, Tajo, Amiin Camiir,) or Islamist of the Ala Sheick groups.

 

These political polars do not solely reflect the loyalties of the average Somali nor should people be put in these tight ideological corners. For example: a Somali wants the development of his native region, want a strong central admin and the same time be a devout muslim who wants his country to be an islamic society ruled and build on islamic morals. Should he choose or be represented by his regional admin, his sub-clan leaders, a national political party or an islamic movement?

 

For the sake of the future of our country I hope we can prevent further polarization by accepting reality and the diffrent dimensions a Somali identifies with. We should try to interwine the diffrent perspectives and I belief the new constitution gives the possibilities.

 

Threfor we need:

 

-Strong regional administrations based on the 18 provinces with strong mandates.

 

-National political parties based on ideologies with broad representation in the regions. (For example we need also a traditional or federalist Political Party).

 

-One umbrealla Islamic platform who organise mosque's, islamic schools and humanitarian works, to educate and promote value's. (Islam doon agenda).

 

-Regions need to democratize and organize regional elections. National parties need to enage on regional level rather then abroad and Muqdisho only.

 

- And there needs to be a Platform consisting of the diffrent regions and acting on their national interest. (2/3 of Senate members come from regions, but should not act soly on behalf of regions)

[Somali philosopher]

its reasonable for other countries to have a federal system but how would it work in somalia. are we going to base it on qabil. we all know states in somali means qabils. and we also failed badly at centralized government. Somalia needs something of its own

[Mario B]

Somalia can incoporate all perspectives, all it needs to do is reach a pragmatic compromise that delivers to the all Somali people, a smart government that works.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Mario B;835756 wrote:

Somalia can incoporate all perspectives, all it needs to do is reach a pragmatic

compromice

that delivers to the all Somali people, a smart government that works.

Kalmada Siyaasiinta Somalia ma fahansana adeer.

[Mario B]

Warya Xaaji, when are you going to start compromising, your unrecognised region cannot live in a blackhole, forever!

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

^^ You should ask President Siilaanyo:D

[Qandalawi]

Why shouldn't we give a chance Fedaralism since everything else failed, lets say a trial period of three years, and then if it doesn't work alter the system.

[Mario B]

Qandalawi, I have no problem with federalism, its just compared to the rest of the world, our version is crazy! Just the other day, ASWJ were attacking the peaceful town of Caadado.

[Qandalawi]

Until we see we wouldn't know, a trial period should not really be a big problem specially when there is no other alternative.

[Mario B]

I want federalism based on the 18 regions of Somalia. Run by elected Governors, with the power to raise tax [20% going to the federal treasury] and power to run judicial, police and incaceration, health, education and regional development. With an elected regional assembly guiding them.

 

The Federal Government will run the national army, international afffairs and relations, cordinate natural resources in conjuction with regional government for the benefit of all Somalis, immigration, federal parliament, supreme court, currency and central bank.

[Qandalawi]

^Waar I want the same thing, federalism is the way to go. Adigaa iska baqanaya mooye waxba iskuma diidanin, Puntland markaad maqashaa wadnaha ku gariirayaa bilaa micno.

 

Puntland is proposing what is good for the Somali people and specially the weak and the minorities. At least in a federal system they get their rights and can become the masters of their own local affairs. Puntland kama baqanayso centralism, it only sees it as not good and fit for Somalia, remember it fought hard to get rid off the 4.5. That formula Puntland wax dhib ah kuma haynin kamana ayan baqanayn, in fact u nfair sadbursi ayay kuheli jireen as the group who has got the most seats in government and parliament that any other Somali group via that system. 4 Prime ministers and a President, no one group got that since the 4.5 inception except the Puntland clan waryaa. Markaa 4.5 in meesha laga saaro dadkaanu ugu danaynay waana sida cadaaladu kujirto.

 

Also centralism Puntland wax dhib ah kuma hayso as one the larger Somali groups can sustain and repel any power abuse or even better yet can in one way or another get at the helm of the leadership of the central government and use all that power to abuse others lol, hadhowbaad qaylinaysiin Puntland korneel ah ayaa nabaabi'iyay, waxaas marabno inaan maqalno. waa cadaalad ayaa loo baahanyahay.

 

Wadanka Federal hanoqdo oo 2/3 qobolkastaa ee samaystaan maamul fiican oo hoos kasoo samaysmay kadibna amaanka wadanka, is aaminaadii iyo cadaaladii sidaas kusoo noqoto.

[burahadeer]

Mario B;835779 wrote:

I want federalism based on the 18 regions of Somalia. Run by elected Governors, with the power to raise tax [20% going to the federal treasury] and power to run judicial, police and incaceration, health, education and regional development. With an elected regional assembly guiding them.

 

The Federal Government will run the national army, international afffairs and relations, cordinate natural resources in conjuction with regional government for the benefit of all Somalis, immigration, federal parliament, supreme court, currency and central bank.

 

even if somaliland come back you think 2 regions againest 16 done politically by unpopular regime or 33 out of 123 in parliament is fair or acceptable to thm.Having my cake & eat it too!! and if the federal gov't has all these powers , don't you think it can strangle any region to its knees and could as well be dictatorial.

[Mario B]

burahadeer;835888 wrote:

even if somaliland come back you think 2 regions againest 16 done politically by unpopular regime or 33 out of 123 in parliament is fair or acceptable to thm.Having my cake & eat it too!! and if the federal gov't has all these powers , don't you think it can strangle any region to its knees and could as well be dictatorial.

The federal government is made from people and resources of the states, and why will a democratic federal gov attack any of it's regions ? This is not some dicatorship we are talking about.

 

What powers do you think the federal government should cede?

[Abu-Salman]

All those "federal" roles in delivering local public services and infrastructure are already an established consensus;

countries used as models of public sector efficiency such as Sweden allow municipalities to run healthcare or education and taxes locals who directly witness the link between taxes and services.

Administrative delimitations are more natural and efficient too without the distractions of internally fragile, parallel clans states.

It is called decentralisation and works just fine.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Qandalaawi adeer hadaaf fine ku tihin centralism maad iska qadataan centralism maxa waxaso madax xanuun ah ba idin galinaya Walahi if u ask sharif today lets get rid of federalism walahi wu so dhaweyneye only Buntland ba ku dhagan federalism.