Professor Axmed Ismaciil Samatar visits the Somali refugees in dhadhaab+PICTURES

[Mukulaalow]

Xaaji Xunjuf;825748 wrote:

Somaliland mps and Ministers visited dhadhaab refugee camp its true what they say reer Somaliland are the one who care the most about Somalinimo just look at the professor.

 

correction. he considers himself a Somali. not Qol iyo barsad Somalilander. and that's why he is hated in SL.

[burahadeer]

Mukulaalow;825820 wrote:

correction. he considers himself a Somali. not Qol iyo barsad Somalilander. and that's why he is hated in SL.

 

he supported siyad barre when bombardment was on in northern cities...guess that makes him somali!!

for your information he is awdal nationalist same as Ali khalif,they both know their regions can't stand alone & that's why supporting tfg.

Self interest like everyone else of us which make all of us non somali:D

[Mukulaalow]

burahadeer;825821 wrote:

he supported siyad barre when bombardment was on in northern cities...guess that makes him somali!!

Proof please, an article, a video clip, and audio clip. bring your proof, or you'll be liable for slander. iska hadal ma fiicna.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Mukulaalow;825820 wrote:

correction. he considers himself a Somali. not Qol iyo barsad Somalilander. and that's why he is hated in SL.

Mukulaaloow the professor is a Somalilander and he is proud of his Somalilandish origin he stated that clearly many times he just disagrees with its quest for recognition but he believes in a Somaliland and Somalia Confederacy state with equal power-sharing. He said lets try it one more time if it doesn't work than seek ur recognition.He always says that the people of Somaliland founded the former Somali republic with their true believe of Somalinimo you should listen to him when it comes to Somaliland no one hates the professor in Somaliland.

[burahadeer]

@Mukulalow....It's not slander my friend, I try find out and in meantime ask XX to dig his archives.

[Mukulaalow]

Xaaji Xunjuf;825833 wrote:

Mukulaaloow the professor is a Somalilander and he is proud of his Somalilandish origin he stated that clearly many times he just disagrees with its quest for recognition but he believes in a Somaliland and Somalia Confederacy state with equal power-sharing. He said lets try it one more time if it doesn't work than seek ur recognition.He always says that the people of Somaliland founded the former Somali republic with their true believe of Somalinimo you should listen to him when it comes to Somaliland no one hates the professor in Somaliland.

Come on he never said he is a Somaliland citizen, the guy is a die hard unionist read what his party stands for, not a single line he mentions somaliland, and the MOTO of his party is "Somaalinimo & Islaamnimo". yes he believes there to be a dialogue like me and others, but he never says he is somalilander.

 

What Hiil-Qaran stands for.

Nations, like human beings, are historical phenomena. They are at once made and make themselves. The first is the result of women and men awakening to the fact that their own welfare requires strong civic solidarity that materializes in concrete institutions. In return, institutions become the pillars and protectors of collective life and, therefore, the nation. There is no gainsaying that both as single human beings and society, the Somali people have fallen into catastrophic circumstances. Consequently, we find ourselves at a cross roads: either to accept that our condition is permanent or to regroup to dream a new vision, mount an unprecedented effort, and resurrect our individual and national dignity and those who will come after us. We think that total defeat does not become us. Thus, in these harrowing times, we announce the birth of a NEW political party, open to all patriotic adult Somalis willing to invest their intelligence, time, and resources.

 

Ummaduhu waa sida dadka, Waa la sameeyaa weyna isa sameeyaan Ta hore waxa keena rag iyo haween toosa una soo xayta in loo baahan yahay wadannanimo isugu shubata tiirar qaran. Tiirarkuna waxay noqdaan nabad ilaaliyaasha guud iyo qarannimada. Haddii aan shaqsi Soomaali ama bulsho Soomaali nahay waan rubad go'nay. Waxa ina horyaal inaan is dhiibno ama inaan ka gilgilanno hadimada innagu haabsatay. Haddii gilgilasho aan dooranno waxa laga maarmaan ah in arag cusub, iyo xoog culus la israaciyo si loo soo celiyo dadnimadeena maanta iyo beri dambaba. Inama qabato in la quusto! Sidaas owgeed waxaan goosanay inaan abaabulno xisbi siyaasiya oo cusub oo u furan qof walba oo wadaniya oo u diyaar ah in maskaxdiisa, wakhtigiisa, iyo hantidiisab uu ummada wax ugu taro.

http://www.hiilqaran.org/about-us.html

 

 

burahadeer quote;

t's not slander my friend, I try find out and in meantime ask XX to dig his archives.

sxb if that is not slander, then I don't know what it is. You are accusing an honorable man of supporting the 1988 massacre of Woqooyi Galbeed, that is not only slander, but defamatory as well. if you can not substantiate, you should retract and apologize. period.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Mukulaloow no one ever said he is not a unionist but this man doesn't shy away from where he is from Somaliland he clearly stated that many times on several interviews by the way Somaliland gooni isu tageeda diid laakin wa u dhalasho just look at carafaat sifir general Jamac.

[Mukulaalow]

Somaliland gooni isu tageeda diid laakin wa u dhalasho

 

good, mar hadey sheekada isugu soo ururtay "waa u dhalasho".

[burahadeer]

@Mukulaalow..

 

this is an appetizer,not really much compare to others I post later as I get chance.

 

 

Abdi Ismail Samatar and Ahmed I. Samatar

119

VI. On Collaboration with Military Dictatorship

and Clanist Sentiments

A. A discernment of who collaborated with the military dictatorship

and to what degree will be an important point of historical research

and reflective conversation among Somalis for some time to come. The

ICG document enters that fray by identifying two Northern communities as willing allies of the regime: the *** (******** and Isse) and the

***** (pp. 11, 28). Simultaneously, the ***** kin-group is presented as

innocent sufferers. This is problematic. To begin with, all Northern

communities had representatives in the Supreme Revolutionary Council (SRC) and the Council of Secretaries. Consequently, the ***** had

their share and maybe more, as the following, nonexhaustive list of

examples confirms: Vice President Colonel Ismail Ali Aboker, Colonel

Ahmed Hassan, Foreign Minister Omer Arteh Qalib, and Planning

Minister Ahmed Mohamed Silanyo. Moreover, Egal himself, after finishing his internment, accepted an ambassadorial appointment to India

and later became head of the Chamber of Commerce in Mogadishu.

Most instructively, individuals of the ***** kin-group remained loyal

to the Barre regime to its dying days. Here, it is well to remember that

Mohamed Hawadleh Madar, the last Prime Minister in 1990, threatened the denizens of Mogadishu with a ruin similar to the one meted

out to Burao and Hargeisa if they did not capitulate. Moreover, Omer

Arteh became premier of Ali Mahadi’s short-lived pretension. On the

other hand, the windfall for the ******** and Isse and significant elements of the northern ***** was comparatively miniscule.

B. The Report fails to offer concrete evidence for selectively maligning

some communities while exalting others. We argue that this history

could be told differently. Our thinking, distilled from our extensive

scholarly research and reading of Somali social history and political

economy, is that the military dictatorship of 1969–91 was ruinous in the

last fifteen years of its tenure and insensately destroyed individuals

and communities across the country. The Northeast region (Puntland)

was the first to bear the brunt of the regime’s cruelty. However, the

Northwest region (Somaliland), particularly the cities of Hargeisa and

Burao, witnessed the greatest horror. In addition, during the entire

 

 

Note "the is**k group was presented as innocent sufferers"

[Mukulaalow]

burahadeer;825845 wrote:

@Mukulaalow..

 

this is an appetizer,not really much compare to others I post later as I get chance.

 

 

Abdi Ismail Samatar and Ahmed I. Samatar

119

VI. On Collaboration with Military Dictatorship

and Clanist Sentiments

A. A discernment of who collaborated with the military dictatorship

and to what degree will be an important point of historical research

and reflective conversation among Somalis for some time to come. The

ICG document enters that fray by identifying two Northern communities as willing allies of the regime: the *** (******** and Isse) and the

***** (pp. 11, 28). Simultaneously, the ***** kin-group is presented as

innocent sufferers. This is problematic. To begin with, all Northern

communities had representatives in the Supreme Revolutionary Council (SRC) and the Council of Secretaries. Consequently, the ***** had

their share and maybe more, as the following, nonexhaustive list of

examples confirms: Vice President Colonel Ismail Ali Aboker, Colonel

Ahmed Hassan, Foreign Minister Omer Arteh Qalib, and Planning

Minister Ahmed Mohamed Silanyo. Moreover, Egal himself, after finishing his internment, accepted an ambassadorial appointment to India

and later became head of the Chamber of Commerce in Mogadishu.

Most instructively, individuals of the ***** kin-group remained loyal

to the Barre regime to its dying days. Here, it is well to remember that

Mohamed Hawadleh Madar, the last Prime Minister in 1990, threatened the denizens of Mogadishu with a ruin similar to the one meted

out to Burao and Hargeisa if they did not capitulate. Moreover, Omer

Arteh became premier of Ali Mahadi’s short-lived pretension. On the

other hand, the windfall for the ******** and Isse and significant elements of the northern ***** was comparatively miniscule.

B. The Report fails to offer concrete evidence for selectively maligning

some communities while exalting others. We argue that this history

could be told differently. Our thinking, distilled from our extensive

scholarly research and reading of Somali social history and political

economy, is that the military dictatorship of 1969–91 was ruinous in the

last fifteen years of its tenure and insensately destroyed individuals

and communities across the country. The Northeast region (Puntland)

was the first to bear the brunt of the regime’s cruelty. However, the

Northwest region (Somaliland), particularly the cities of Hargeisa and

Burao, witnessed the greatest horror. In addition, during the entire

 

 

Note "the is**k group was presented as innocent sufferers"

sxb, I am really disapponted with you if all you could come up is a peice of article where the proffesor clearly states that the SL dominent clan is not the only sufferers and they are not clean of colaborating with the SRC and the military.

 

You've accused him of supporting the massacre, but if you read at the bottom of the article you posted it says;

However, the

Northwest region (Somaliland), particularly the cities of Hargeisa and

Burao, witnessed the greatest horror.

. he is calling it "horror" for God's sake. Buurahadeer you have nothing against the man sxb. just let it go.

[burahadeer]

wait I'm coming but that was only to show his stand.

 

I have nothing againest him just let you know isn't all rosy.

[Mukulaalow]

burahadeer;825855 wrote:

wait I'm coming

but that was only to show his stand.

 

I have nothing againest him just let you know isn't all rosy.

indha adeyg. you still insist. I simply asked a poof where he said he supports the 1988 massacre? is that too much to ask sxb?.

[Abwaan]

nuune;825747 wrote:

I visited before him 6 times and there were no cameras or large crowd around me

lol....Malaha qaraabo salaan baad u aadey ee dan guud miyey ahaydna? Haddii ay ahaydna Ilaah baa ajarkeeda ku siin ee camera waxba ma tarayso. I think the proffessor has done a good job, this time xaqiraaddu ma fiicna.

[burahadeer]

Mukulaalow;825867 wrote:

indha adeyg. you still insist. I simply asked a poof where he said he supports the 1988 massacre? is that too much to ask sxb?.

first I neva used word massacre..I said he supported S.Barre those days & stand by my word.Told you try to find,it's been long time.

2nd, in his above article why he mention that northerners were part of siyad's gov't in any a way to legitimise the military actions againest thm..wasn't it suppose to be a national somali gov't to begin with and where did the likes of Ismail ali abokor (first vice president) end up! in jail!Others fled like silanyo..think you can see gist from only that one article,I'm sure many more self damaging articles out there and frankly speaking I care less of his past ,was only to rebut your earlier "his somalinimo".If you give that title , fine with me.

[Mukulaalow]

burahadeer;825875 wrote:

first I neva used word massacre..I said he supported S.Barre those days & stand by my word.

It seems your brain and finger tips are not coordinating when typing the keyboard. here is your own ward on this thread and this page minutes ago.

he supported siyad barre when bombardment was on in northern cities.

but its good start, you seem to be back tracking from the very words you used. but anyway, be fair and balanced, in the article the guy is talking about the NW politicians who were crying foul while they were in bed with the devil, that's all what the article is about, and he called the bombardments "HORROR".