Somali Citizenship

[N.O.R.F]

Waa markaagii

 

I, and others on this site, went through a PROCESS. This process is governed by laws, rules and criteria. Within those laws, an asylum seeker, an investor and a skilled migrant is accepted as a citizen having met the criteria of x number of years stay, work or investment. The visa process you mentioned above aligns with that same process. So what exactly are you saying, saxib?

[NGONGE]

^^ I am not saying anything. It's you who seemed to be complaining. Wax fahan.

[N.O.R.F]

I wasn't complaining. You got the wrong end of the stick

[Qandalawi]

I think this whole citizenship issue is overblown, no need to get carried away with things, Somalia is a county just like the rest of the world. It should be just like its neighbor East African countries such as Kenya, Tanzania, Uganda etc, in which if one is legally granted residence for up to some time will qualify to attain citizenship after the years. Its nothing big and its not like the whole world migration has no elsewhere to go but eying Somalia.

[nuune]

I would use the UAE model of citinzenship, very strict, call us racists or whatever, but UAE survived with that law regardless whether they are minority in their country or not.

[NGONGE]

^^ UAE didn't have millions of its citizens scattered all over the world and going through hoops to become citizens of other countries. SOMALIA HAS!

 

It's the latent xenophobia that make people complain about such a clause. Happens the world over.

[Xaq]

Citizenship shouldn't be based on ethnicity. That model expired in the 20th century. Citizenship should be given to those who choose to make Somalia their home and contribute to its future - it shouldn't matter where you are from originally.

[Qandalawi]

^NG, That Somalis have been to everywhere is neither here nor there, its irrelevant in this case. You may be right that Somalis have been to all over but were not welcomed and granted citizenship everywhere, they faced hard and brutal treatment in most cased and welcomed in certain cases mainly in the west. So following your logic should we only allow westerners?

 

This is about rules and procedures of the country, and all countries differ.

[NGONGE]

Qandalawi;825723 wrote:

^NG, That Somalis have been to everywhere is neither here nor there, its irrelevant in this case. You may be right that Somalis have been to all over but were not welcomed and granted citizenship everywhere, they faced hard and brutal treatment in most cased and welcomed in certain cases mainly in the west. So following your logic should we only allow westerners?

 

This is about rules and procedures of the country, and all countries differ.

It is said that difference between a city boy and geel jire is that the first is an "ilbax", "waayo arag", etc. He learns from exprience and from being exposed to new worlds, issues and events. To say that Somalis have been to everywhere is neither here nor there shows that your "ilbaxnimo" (sadly) does not extend beyond a new haircut or Arsenal's signing of a new centre forward, adeer.

 

You have been on the other side. You have seen the other systems. You know what it is like to be the "outsider". You (hopefully) despise racists, xenophobes and narrow-minded people. The experiences you've had in the West (or anywhwere else) have hopefully broadned your mind and made you look at things with "new" eyes and knowledge. Why do you get to use the wealth, facilities and services of another society once you've lived there for an x number of years but refuse to share yours with someone who has lived in your country for a similar number of years? What makes you any different to the hopeless geel jire, adeer?

[N.O.R.F]

Ngonge, you still don't get it. This isn't about opposing anyone and everyone other than Somalis becoming a citizen, this is about allowing the RIGHT people to gain citizenship (just like in the country you reside in).

[Qandalawi]

^NG, I understand what you are saying and I hold the same stance as your on this issue of the citizenship. However, I see your viewpoint and justification as irrelevant. If anything, contrary to Xnophobic and racism bandwagon, seeing an outsider who lived in Somalia for a number of years and completed all requirements to be Somali is a great moment. Is it just me that feels, an outsider whether be Iraqi, Afgani or Malaysian or even American who has done his dues to earn Somali citizenship claiming to be Somali as proud moment for Somalia. Just imagine who many times you cringe around the world Airports when someone who fully sees your skinny Somali features but you claim Swedish, British or Norwegian. This is more of an embarrassment and not us being donors.

 

Dadki Somalida ahaa ayaaba hada kacarara in loo garto Somalinimo, lets hope we see a day when aan aragno dad Aduuyada kale ah oo Somalinimo sheeganaaya kana qaybqaadanaaya kobcinta wadankeeda ee dhankasta.

[NGONGE]

N.O.R.F;825731 wrote:

Ngonge, you still don't get it. This isn't about opposing anyone and everyone other than Somalis becoming a citizen, this is about allowing the RIGHT people to gain citizenship (just like in the country you reside in).

Please! Hada waa aniga.

 

Did you read the line about this in the constitution? Where does it say it's going to be an open door policy or that procedures will not apply? Marka, if you have a complaint surely it can be nothing other than a xenophobic desire to object to any outsider sullying your land with their forigen feet. Naga daaya dee.

[N.O.R.F]

Ngonge, who is complaining? All I see is you labeling everyone xenophobes/xenophobic etc for merely stating what you already agree with. Wax fahan

 

There is a difference between complaining and commenting

[NGONGE]

^^ But there is no reason for you to 'comment' if you already agree with that part of the constitution. Wax fahan.

[Carafaat]

N.O.R.F;825738 wrote:

Ngonge, who is complaining? All I see is you labeling everyone xenophobes/xenophobic etc for merely stating what you already agree with. Wax fahan

 

There is a difference between complaining and commenting

Ngonge ma wuxu na leeyahay 'aniga uun ayaa ah progressive'.