The Somalia-Somaliland talks Thread

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Somaliland:Turkey Meeting Set Issues Straight

 

Letting be all rumours peddled within and without, it is noteworthy to shade a logical light on the Turkish SL/Somalia talks to put things straight.

 

It is quite well known that the last time the Somalia question was delved into abroad, and by extension vis-à-vis the Somaliland factor, both the London Chevening and Dubai communiqués were dealt with and addressed by the TFG while in her twilight.

 

With the exit of the TFG (and after a two decade hiatus), a centralized federal oriented government enters the scene.

 

It is therefore natural for the incumbent Somalia President to reiterate the objectives of the subjects set at the stage hence formally acknowledge the status quo of the scenes of the episodes that are both abound and expected to unfold.

 

Again, it is against this background that both sides had/have to meet and face and live up to the expectation; however sensitive, fragile or grey matters they may be.

 

A plus for the SL as per the Turkey meeting is that that which off-sets the wishes of anti-Somalilanders who wanted to see SL at the May 7th London round-table.

 

While both the world and this country acknowledge the “more legit” Hassan regime, the fact is that the impending future talks would have to continue whatever the case.

 

This Turkey party puts to rest the upcoming London one thus validating our difference as an entity very distinct from the southerners.

 

It also underscores the importance of the British non-invitation of Somaliland. In other words what has been clarified is the UK acknowledgment of the real issue at stake hence respected our stand by not inviting us to an exclusive Somalia affair.

 

Every mind, small ones notwithstanding, ought to know that the London one would undermine our status if we do attend.

 

We are happy that, as for starters, Hassan swiftly conceded the two state (at par) setting, a bone of contention that shouldn’t have been in the first place. These are contained in the earlier meetings signed by Sh. Sharif, hereafter (now) reiterated by the incumbent president.

 

M A EGGE

 

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Somalidu waa qoymiyad cajiib ah. 20 iyo dhowr sano ayey isku heystaan oo ey isku dilayaan wax aan loo joogin ama macquul aheyn. Ila ma'ahan in Somali ey waligeed isku imaneyso ama ey solution gaareyso. Waa dad jah wareersan oo aan xaaladoodu la socon.

 

Wallee waxaa wanaagsan in labaaro brain anatomiga Somalidu. It's one of my dreams to perform such an investigation.

 

It's also my belief that Somalis may benefit from a successful silencing of some specific genes (read positive eugenics).

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Somali dee waligood waxay ahayeen qawmiyad aad u kala fog waligood dowlad ma wadaagin wadaagi mayaa. Magaca somali eeh magac u yalka uu ba ka dhexeya laakin dawlad yeelan mayaaan ay u dhan yihin because isticmaarka ka hor xita dawlad may lahayn marka wa caadi

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SIILAANYO: “Somaliland kama laabanayso Moqifkeeda gooni-isu-taaga, balse diyaar ayaan u nahay wax wada-qabsi”

 

Axad, Abriil 14, 2013 (HOL) — Madaxweynaha Somaliland, Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud (Siilaanyo) ayaa sheegay in heshiiskii ay isaga iyo madaxweyne Xasan Sheekh Maxamuud kala la saxiixday uu nuxukiisu ahaa sidii ay labada dal uga wadashaqeyn lahaayeen danahooda.

 

Heshiiskan ayaa wuxuu dhigayay in dowladda Soomaaliya iyo Somaliland ay kawada shaqeeyaan dhinaca ammaanka, la dagaalanka burcadbadeedda iyo Al-shabaab iyo weliba inay wadaagaan deeqaha dibadaha ka imaanaya.

 

“Heshiiska aan saxiixnay nuxurkiisu wuxuu ahaa sidii looga wada-shaqeyn lahaa danta iyo maslaxadda labada dal,” ayuu yiri Siilaanyo oo u waramayay idaacadda VOA-da isago intaas ku daray in Somaliland aanay marnaba ka laaban doonin go’aankeeda ku saabsan gooni-isku-taagga.

 

Su’aal ahayd qaabka deeqaha loo wadaagayo iyo sida ammaanka ay labada dhinac u wada-sugayaan ayuu kaga jawaabay: “Sidii markii hore looga wada-shaqeyn jiray ayaa looga shaqeynayaa, waxaana laga hortagayaa wax walba oo dhibaato u keenaya sida burcadbadeedda iyo in wadahadallada lasii wado iyo in wax walba oo dhibaato ku keenaya gobolka la iska ilaaliyo.”

 

Madaxweynaha Somaliland ayaa sidoo kale sheegay in Somaliland ay ka go’an tahay inay hesho aqoonsi caalami ah, isagoo sheegay in kulammada ay la yeelanayaan dowladda Soomaaliya ay tahay si ay caalamka u tusaan sida ay diyaarka ugu yihiin inay mandiqadda nabad kula noolaadaan.

 

“Caalamka ayaa ogaanaya mowqifka Somoaliland ka taagan tahay gooni-isku-taageedda oo aan laga laabanayn ayna ku adag tahay inay madax-banaanideeda hesho, balse ay diyaar ayaan u nahay wax wadaqabsi iyo wixii labada dal dan u ah,” ayuu Siilaanyo kaga jawaabay su’aal ahayd faa’iidada Somaliland ugu jirta wadahadallada mar haddii aan laga hadlin gooni-isku-taaggooda.

 

Dhanka kale, guddoomiyaha xisbiga mucaaradka ah ee UCID, Faysal Cali Waraabe oo isaguna la hadlay warbaahinta ayaa sheegay in Somaliland ay ka go’an tahay inay hesho aqoonsi caalami ah, isagoo sheegay inaysan dhici doonin in dib ay ula midoobaan Soomaaliya.

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Madaxweynaha Soomaaliya iyo Wafdigii kala Qayb-galay shirkii Turkiga oo dib ugu soo laabtay Magaalada Muqdisho

Axad, Abriil 14, 2013 (HOL) — Madaxweynaha Soomaaliya, Xasan Sheekh Maxamuud iyo wafdigii kala qaybgalay shirkii Turkiga oo isugu jiray wasiirro iyo xildhibaanno ka tirsan dowladda ayaa dib ugu soo laabtay saakay magaalada Muqdisho ee xarunta Soomaaliya.

 

Wasiirka arrimaha gudaha ee Soomaaliya, C/kariin Xuseen Guuleed ayaa si kooban uga hadlay shirka iyo qodobbadii kasoo baxay, wuxuuna sheegay in ay ku faraxsan yihiin in shirka uu sii socon doono, lagana soo saaray qodobbo wax ku ool ah.

 

“Shirka wuu sii soconayaa oo 90 maalmood kaddib ayaa la isugu tagayaan Turkiga, runtiina shirkan meel wanaagsan ayaa la keenay, waxaana rajo ka qabnaa in intaan la isaga soo dhawaan doono,” ayuu yiri Guuleed oo intaas ku daray in dhankooda ay ku faraxsan yihiin qodobbadii kasoo baxay shirka.

 

C/kariin Guuleed ayaa dhinaca dowladda Soomaaliya u saxiixay heshiiska iskaashi ee ka koobnaa toddobada qodob, iyadoo dhinaca Somaliland uu u saxiixay wasiirka arrimaha dibadda, Maxamed Cabdullaahi Cumar.

 

Inkastoo heshiiska lasoo dhaweeyay haddana waxaa jir qodobbo ay dadku si aad ugu wareersan yihiin kuwaasoo ay ka mid yihiin tababarrada ciidamada iyo wadaagga dhaqaalaha dibadda laga helo.

 

Shacabka Soomaaliyeed qaarkood ayaa rumeysan in tani ay caddeyn u tahay in midnimada Soomaaliya ay aad u soo dhawaatay halka kuwo kalena ay u arkaan inay tahay sad-bursi ay sameynayso Somaliland maadaama ay dowladda Soomaaliya aqoonsi ka heshay caalamka.

 

Madaxweyne Xasan Sheekh oo intii uu ku sugnaa Turkiga ka hadlay sida uu u arko heshiiska ayaa sheegay inuu yahay mid wanaagsan ayna intii hore isaga soo dhawaadeen dowladda Soomaaliya iyo maamulka Somaliland oo ku dhawaaqay gooni-isu-taaggiisa 20-sano ka hor.

 

Wadahadalladan ayaa waxaa gar-wadeen ka ahayd dowladda Turkiga, iyadoo madaxda Turkiga ay iyaguna muujiyeen sida ay ugu faraxsan yihiin heshiiska hordhaca ah ee ay gaareen hoggaamiyeyaasha Soomaalida ayna intan isaga sii dhawaan karaan

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Somaliland commends Turkish role in facilitating talks with Somalia

 

14 April 2013 /GÖZDE NUR DONAT, ANKARA

Ahmed Silanyo, the president of the autonomous Somaliland region, has expressed deep appreciation to Turkish officials on their determination to revive a process of dialogue between the governments of Somaliland and Somalia to end their two-decade-long dispute.

“Turkey has played a very important role in trying to bring different sides together during the Somali conflict. They have consistently put an effort into establishing stability and promoting development in the region,” Silanyo said during an exclusive interview with Today's Zaman in Ankara on Sunday.

 

“We live in a volatile region where there are many security problems. It is our wish to continue to engage in dialogue [with other actors] in the region,” Silanyo noted.

 

He visited Turkey in mid-March to participate in talks with Turkish officials, including Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu, who pledged to increase Turkish aid to Somaliland.

 

Although it lacks international recognition, Somaliland enjoys a degree of governance, security and economic development absent in the broader Somalia, from which it declared independence in 1991.

 

Somalia's troubles result from a 22-year-long civil war in the country, which began in 1991 when a coalition of clan-based armed opposition groups ousted the nation's long-standing military government. Somaliland has been an environment of relative peace amid the civil war in Somalia.

 

Turkey has hosted the latest round of facilitation talks between the Somali and Somaliland governments as part of efforts to negotiate Somaliland's status. Somaliland is seeking international recognition as a separate country, while Somalia envisions a unified country including the territory.

 

ARABAŞLIK Silanyo: Turkey playing constructive role in entire region

 

The Somaliland president commended Turkey's active role in the region as a whole in addition to the developments in Somalia and Somaliland.

 

“Turkey is establishing many programs that are useful to the region as a whole. We express our deep appreciation to Turkey for its constructive role in the region,” Silanyo maintained.

 

The Somaliland president stated that his country has been described in international circles as an encouraging oasis of peace in the Horn of Africa for its stability and welcoming environment for investment.

 

“Our territory has tremendous potential in many areas, including agriculture, infrastructure construction and many others. We also have rich mineral resources, including oil,” Silanyo said, discussing investment opportunities. Turkish companies have begun to initiate economic projects in the territory. Last December, Turkish oil giant Genel Energy PLC purchased a license to explore for oil in Somaliland.

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Che -Guevara;937799 wrote:

Stoic. This might all be for a show. I would say one thing, I don't think the current Somali Government will take the monumental decision of endorsing Somaliland. It does not represent the will of the Somali people as the country is in transition and it certainly does not have the means to implement anything it agrees to.

 

For the spin doctors, this was a success.

Che, this goverment isnt transitional, its for real. Eventhough some would have wished the era of anarchy and piracy to be continued. So anything both parties agree upon would still need to be approved by both Parliaments in order to be implemented.

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tutu;937869 wrote:

Somalidu waa qoymiyad cajiib ah. 20 iyo dhowr sano ayey isku heystaan oo ey isku dilayaan wax aan loo joogin ama macquul aheyn. Ila ma'ahan in Somali ey waligeed isku imaneyso ama ey solution gaareyso. Waa dad jah wareersan oo aan xaaladoodu la socon.

 

Wallee waxaa wanaagsan in labaaro

brain

anatomiga Somalidu. It's one of my dreams to perform such an investigation.

 

It's also my belief that Somalis may benefit from a successful silencing of some specific genes (read positive eugenics).

And are you any better?

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Carafaat you are right this is the govt sl has to deal with it took the koonfurians 22 years to have a govt, and now the two sides are taking steps to restore relations. We must support it if the somalis both in somalia and somaliland dont talk no one will solve our problems

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Its up to the two Parliaments to approve any outcome, not some qurbojoog flag waiving kids. This is real politics not fadhikudirir central.

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I have no doubts parliamemts will approve it the question is will they agree in 89 days

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Tougher Somaliland-Somalia talks ahead

 

Sunday, 14 April 2013 21:34

By: Liban Ahmad

Somalilandsun - Twenty two years ago president Ahmed Mohamed Mohamud (Silanyo) of Somaliland wrote a paper entitled "A Proposal To The Somali National Movement: On A Framework For A Transitional Government In Somalia. " In the paper President Silanyo, then, former SNM Chairman, cautioned against forming a government in Mogadishu following the ouster of the military dictatorship in 1991 without consulting 'liberation movements', and reprisals against civilians. United Somali Congress leaders heeded neither suggestion.

They formed an interim administration led by Ali Mahdi Mohamed and failed to rein in their militias, who committed widespread human rights violations. Now president Silaanyo is the first president of Somaliland to be able to hold talks with a Mogadishu-based government.

Representatives from Somaliland administration and the former Mogadishu-based Transitional Federal Government, the predecessor of Somali Federal Government, met last year under an arrangement by the British government. Federalism, on which the Somali government institutions are based, is the second factor that made the talks possible. Since Somalia's successive federal governments have banked on the support of African forces , mostly from Somalia's neighbouring countries in favour of a federal system for Somalia, the former Transitional Federal Government leaders refrained from policies that could destabilise Somaliland, as Wikileaks entry on the late Somali president Abdillahi Yusuf Ahmed dated 24/11/2004 has shown.

The outcome of Ankara meeting held yesterday gives strong hints about Somaliland intentions to be pragmatic about the status of the Somali Federal Government and its privileges in the international fora. Somaliland has given the Somali Federal Government the green light to ensure Somaliland gets its share of the development aid. This is a remarkable success for Somaliland since it will continue to maintain its partnership with development or multilateral agencies such as USAID, SIDA, DFID and the World Bank.

However , cooperation could be derailed by the Somali FederalGovernment's drive to take advantage of its status that reinstated Somalia's membership in such agencies as International Monetary Fund. Will the Somali Federal Government consult Somaliland administration on any talks with IMF regarding new loans for post-war reconstruction? Somali Federal Government proposals to IMF for loans will not leave out Somaliland because of sovereigntygrounds but failure to discuss those issues with major stakeholders such as Somaliland could undermine all that has been achieved through talks. In other words, will Somalilandland consider legitimate agreements Somali Federal Governments signs with multilateral organisations without the input of Somaliland administration? Follow-up talks between the Somali Federal Government andSomaliland Administration have paved the way for tougher talks in the future. Decisions made in Mogadishu will affect Hargeisapolitically in the near future. That is why political issues were shelved during the talks between Somali Federal Government andSomaliland administration in Ankara.