STOIC Posted April 13, 2013 Che, I didn't say they signed anything but if you believe Somali government represent SomLiland then I think we will be going in circles.I doubt a government that represents you will be expecting you to clarify your relation with them in an International setting. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted April 13, 2013 Madaxweyne Siilaanyo Oo Ka Hadlay Ahmiyadda Ay Somaliland uu u leeyahay Heshiiska Ankara April 13th, 2013 Hargeysa (Somaliland.Org)- Madaxweynaha Somaliland Mudane Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud (Siilaanyo), ayaa caawa ka hadlay heshiiska Somaliland iyo Soomaaliya caawa ku kala saxeexdeen Magaalada Ankara ee dalka Turkiga. “Waxa heshiiskan looga wada shaqaynayaa sidii kuwii horeba looga wada shaqaynayay. Waxa laga wada shaqaynayaa wixii danaha maslaxada mandaqada ku saabsan sida budhcad badeeda iyo wixii waxyeelaya in lala wada dagaalamo oo meel looga soo wada jeedsado ayaa loo baahan yahay,”ayuu yidhi Madaxweynaha Somaliland oo u waramayay laanta Afsoomaaliga ee VOA-da. Madaxweynaha oo la weydiiyay su’aal ahayd waxa faa’iido ah ee ugu jirta Somaliland wada hadaladan maadaama oo aan kulankii sadexaad Somaliland iyo Soomaaliya lagu soo qaadin qadiyada Somaliland, waxaanu madaxweynuhu yidhi “Faa’iidada ugu jirtaa Somaliland waxa weeye caalamkii ayaa Somaliland mowqifkeeda ogaanaya, waxaanay mar walba fursad u helaysaa inay u cadayso mowqifka ay taagan tahay oo aan ahayn mid is bedelaya.” “Waxay cadaynaysaa Somaliland inay ku adag tahay,kuna dagaalamayso inay madax-banaanideeda hesho.balse ay diyaar u tahay wax wada qabsi iyo wixii mandaqadda maslaxad u ah iyo labada dalba in meel looga soo wada jeedsado, sida budhcad badeedda iyo wixii la mid ah,”ayuu yidhi intaas raaciyay Madaxweyne Axmed Siilaanyo. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted April 13, 2013 Shirkii Qaaxo Ee Xassan Culusow Iyo Jabhada SNM Uga Socday Dalka Turkey Oo Qodobo ay Ku Heshiiyeen Kasoo Saareen (Dhagayso). Ankara(Allssc): Waxaa goor dhaw Magaalada Ankara ee Xarunta dalka Turkiga lagu soo gaba gabeeyay, wada hadalo maalintii 2-aad uga soconaayay Somalia iyo iyo jabhada SNmta. Xasan Sheekh Maxamuud(Culusow) iyo Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud “Siilaanyo”, ayaa waxay maanta isku arkeyn shirkaan, oo goor dhaw la soo gaba gabeeyay Shir saacado badan oo maanta ka soconaayay Magaalada Ankara kadib, ayaa waxaa laga soo saaray War Murtiyeed ka kooban 7 qoddobo, oo ay labada dhinac ku wada heshiiyeen. Goobta War Murtiyeedkaan laga akhrinaayay ayaa waxaa goobjoog ka ahaa Raa’isal Wasaaraha dalka Turkiga Recep Tayyip Erdoğan, oo isugu dadaal ugu jira sidii labada dhinac, ay isugu soo dhawaan lahaayeen. Halkan Hoose Ka Dhagayso Halkan Ka Dhagayso War Murtiyeedka laga soo saaray wada hadalada Ankara 1-In la sii wado wada hadalada labada dhinac u soconaaya 2-In heshiisyadii hore ee London iyo Dubai la tex geliyo/dhawro. 3-In labada dhinac ay wada hadalada sii wadaan, iyadoo markaasi ay Beesha Caalamka ka caawin doonto dhinaca farsamada 4- In ammaanka ay iska kaashadaan labada dhinac. 5-In la wada wadaago, deeqaha ay heleyso Somalia 6-In muddo 90 maalmood ah lagu qabto wada hadalo kale, oo markaasi lagu sii wadayo wada hadaladaan, laguna qabto Magaalada Istanbul. 7-In labada dhinac ay joojiyaan hadalada xanafta leh, ee wax u dhimi kara wada hadalada u soconaaya. Hadaba Shabakada Allssc ayaa waxay u aragtaan bayaanka xambaarsan 7 qodob mid baadil ah iyadoo asalka wada hadaladan ay yihiin kuwo ay qol gooni ah isku soo xirteen labo jabhadood. Hadaba akhristayaasheena sharafta leh waxaa u balan qaadeynaa in aan idiin cadeyno hagardaamada ay ku tashanayaa labadan jabhadood oo kala jooga Muqdisho iyo Hargeyso. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted April 13, 2013 Stoic...We need to clarify few things. The reality is Somalia has no physical control over Somaliland and Somaliland engages with everyone that is willingly to listen its cause but from legal perspective, Somaliland is part of Somalia and International Bodies and Governments around the world accept this fact hence in the international settings, Somaliland will not be be on equal footing with Somalia. The May London Conference is clear indication which way IC is leaning. Hassan is co-hosting the conference with Cameron and in this setting, the Government represents all Somalis,As stability takes hold in Mogadishu, all diplomatic efforts shift to Xamar and away from periphery. IC view these talks between Internationally recognized Government and separatist region, not two countries holding bilateral talks. Faisal Waraabe is one the people that mention the diplomatic dilemma facing Somalis. He advocates Somaliland should deal with embassies in Addis rather than those in Mogadishu. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
STOIC Posted April 13, 2013 Che, of course Somalia government is the legitimate recognized country,you will be blind to deny that.The equal footing am talking about is two separate bodies signing clarification of their relation.Now everybody knows Somalia is the sole legitimate government of what was original PRE-1991 Somalia but Also somLiland is region that seceded now if they were not equal footing in their clarification of their relation , Somaliland will have been told to tow the line or get sanctioned.But no they are enticed with concessions and clarification points.See how we going in circles...sorry for spelling typing from phone Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted April 13, 2013 Ankara Communiqué 13 April 2013 Following the meeting at Chevening House (UK) of June 20-21, 2012 and the Dubai (UAE) of June 28, 2012, President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud of the Somali Federal Republic and President Ahmed Mohamed Silanyo of Somaliland Government met on 13 April 2013 in Ankara. The meeting is hosted by the Government of Turkey at the request of the two parties. The purpose of this meeting is to reopen the dialogue after the change in the leadership of the Somali Federal Republic, and to establish a way forward for the dialogue. The two parties: 1. Expressed their commitment to the continuation of the Dialogue. 2. Endorsed the content of the Chevening house Declaration agreed on 21 June 2012, and the Dubai Statement signed on 28 June 2012. 3. Stated that the Dialogue is between the Federal Government of Somalia and the Government of Somaliland. The international community that is supporting this process will only provide facilitation when is needed. 4. Agreed to encourage and facilitate International aid and development provided to Somaliland. 5. Agreed the need to consolidate a cooperation on security sector through sharing intelligence, training as well as sharing scholarships for security sector professionals in order to become more effective in the fight against terrorism, extremism, piracy, illegal fishing toxic dumping, maritime crime and serious crime. 6. Proposed to meet within 90 days in Istanbul at a date later to be agreed by the parties. 7. Agreed to refrain from using any inflammatory language and any other act which may put the continuation of the Dialogue at risk. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
N.O.R.F Posted April 13, 2013 We will be very familiar with those points over the next few years. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted April 13, 2013 Stoic...It really depends what the talks represent for each group. Somalia is seeking not clarification of a relationship, as far as it is concerned Somaliland is part of Somalia, a region with legitimate grievances that could be addressed within the context of these talks. Concessions will made as long as Somaliland stays within the union but Somalia will not agree to the ultimate concession., outright independence of Somaliland with the blessing of Mogadishu. They kicked the can down the road when it comes to sticky issue of independence. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted April 13, 2013 Turkey’s Contribution to Efforts to Overcome Problems between Somalia and Somaliland 13.04.2013 President Abdullah Gül met with President Sheikh Mohamud of Somalia and President Ahmed Mohamed Silanyo of Somaliland at the Çankaya Presidential Palace. During the talk among the three Presidents, which was held at the invitation of Turkey, the “Ankara Communiqué”, which aims at overcoming the existing problems between the Federal Republic of Somalia and the Republic of Somaliland through dialogue, was signed. The three Presidents discussed how to overcome the current conflicts between Somalia and Somaliland, reviewed Turkey-Africa relations which have considerably gained momentum in recent years and tackled other regional issues during their talks which Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu also attended. This meeting between Presidents Gül, Mohamud and Silanyo is regarded as the first step toward the resolution of the existing problems between the two African countries by means of dialogue and good will. As part of this objective, the “Ankara Communiqué” was signed. The three Presidents underscored that Turkey’s contribution to this dialogue process between Somalia and Somaliland will continue and they also decided to hold another trilateral meeting in Istanbul within 90 days. President Mohamud of Somalia, who took office in September, 2012, had paid his first foreign visit to Turkey in December last year. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
STOIC Posted April 13, 2013 Che, the issue of secession is the elephant in the room and it was not addressed and really don't know how they will be able to solve thAt in three months time..Somaliland will it stay in its course and no direct orders will be taken from Mogadishu.Things are the place they were since 1991.I don't understand how both sides can call this progresses if Anything this shows both sides are happy with the way the relation will be in the future...now what am interested to know is will Somaliland attend London meeting? I'm alsowaiting for our spin masters on both sides to come and dissect this direct fruitless meeting for us...for now it is business as usual and I think Amin arts captured it poignantly the game the public is mislead with.. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
STOIC Posted April 13, 2013 XAaji...you are enjoying the pictures...I just wanna tell them y'all MF better get along...too bad I can't walk on both men shoes but inshallah time will come when Somalis will find peace with each other Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Che -Guevara Posted April 13, 2013 Stoic. This might all be for a show. I would say one thing, I don't think the current Somali Government will take the monumental decision of endorsing Somaliland. It does not represent the will of the Somali people as the country is in transition and it certainly does not have the means to implement anything it agrees to. For the spin doctors, this was a success. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted April 13, 2013 Che but this is a permanent goverment not a transitional one it doesn't have much control on the ground domestically its still disorganized but its still regarded as the legitimate of government of Somalia.There is also a parliament and they have to approve what ever agreement the 2 sides agree on in the near future. The implementation on the ground will be a bit difficult but they still could agree, not saying SL and Somalia will agree any time soon but there is still a chance as long as the talking continues. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
