The Somalia-Somaliland talks Thread

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^^ I was having a subtle dig at those that claim that the international community was not involved in these talks, Stoic. So far, it is going exactly as the London conference communique stated; the two are meeting and the IC is providing them with the support they need.

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Well thats good the somaliland somalia case needs the attention of the international community.

They ic puts pressure on both sl and somalia to talk. Lest see how the turkey conference goes.

It should not be like the israeli and palestenian talks with no progress at all.

 

Ngonge somaliland and somalia started talking last year things cannot be done in just a year give it time

If sl and somalia were talking the past 2 decades that would be another story.

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Weftiga Xukuumadda Uga Qayb-galaya Wada-hadalada Somaliland Iyo Somaliya Oo 8-da Bishan Turkiga U Dhoofaya

Hargeysa (Ramaas) Apr 4,2013 – Xukuumadda Somaliland oo dhawaan shaacisay in wada-hadaladii Somaliya dib uga bilaabmayaan dalka Turkiga, ayaa weftiga uga qayb-galaya u diyaar-garoobayaan inay u safraan dalka Turkiga.

 

Weftiga xukuumadda Somaliland uga qayb-galaya wada-hadalada Somaliya, ayaa ilo-wareedyo Ramaas u sheegeen inay ka kooban yihiin Wasiirrada arimaha dibada, arimaha bulshada iyo Guddoomiye ku xigeenka koowaad ee Golaha Wakiilada Baashe Maxamed Faarax.

 

Warka ayaa intaa ku daraya in weftigan oo sidoo kale ay la socdaan xubno kale oo ilaa hadda aan Magacyadooda laga war haynin, ayaa la filayaa inay 8-da bishan April ay si toos ah ugu ambo-baxaan wada-hadalada Turkiga.

 

Weftigan oo uu hogaaminayo Wasiirka arimaha dibada Somaliland Dr Maxamed Cabdilaahi Cumar, ayaa la sheegayaa in ka hor safarkooda ay dawladda Turkigu u soo diri doonto dhukumanti ka hadlaya sida wada-hadaladu u furi doonaan, inkasta oo dawladda Turkigu dhowr jeer oo hore ku celcelisay inay ka shaqeynayso midnimada Somaliya, taasi oo shacabka Somalilandna ka soo horjeedo.

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Good development

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Somaliland:Turkish foreign policy; the great mediator between Somalia and Somaliland.

April 4, 2013

 

Turkey’s mediating skills have even aroused excitement in Africa. Mr Davutoglu Turkish foreign minster recently revealed that Botswana had sought his help in fixing a territorial dispute with Namibia. Flattered though he was, however, Mr Davutoglu confessed that, for once, he was stumped.

But recently Turkish government has invited officials from both the Somalia federal government and Somaliland government to hold first talks in Turkey in the mid of this month, Somaliland foreign minister Mohamed Abdullahi Omar said on Monday.

 

In a press conference in Hargeysa, minister Omar confirmed that Somaliland administration has received the invitation letter from the Turkish prime minister to come to Turkey for talks with the Somali federal government.

 

“Both sides of Somaliland and Somalia have received the invitation and we confirm that we have officially approved.” the minister said.

Somaliland, an autonomous region in the north of Somalia has been lobbying to be separate state from Somalia since 1992, a year after the overthrown of former central government in Somalia, However, Somaliland’s self-proclaimed independence remains unrecognised by any country or international organization.

 

In 2012, both sides have started the first formal talks in London and were mediated by the British government but this time it is a new Turkish initiative.

“The two presidents will sit together and will discuss various issues concerning Somalia and Somaliland.” the minister added.

Somali federal government has not yet confirmed the initiative.

 

On Sunday, Somaliland president Ahmed Mohamed Mohamoud Silanyo has repeated that his administration will not attend the upcoming London conference on Somalia hosted by British government that will be held on May 7th, 2013 in London.The Oil and mineral discoveries by Turkish companies in somaliland give Siiraanyo government more leverage than before .

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“Haddii Aniga Huteel La igaga taggo boorsadayda Ayaan Soo Qaadanayaa” Guddoomiyaha UCID Oo Lagu Daray Weftiga Somaliland Ee Wada-hadalada Somaliya

 

Hargeysa (Ramaas) Apr 6,2013 – Guddoomiyaha Xisbiga Mucaaradka ah ee UCID Eng Faysal Cali WAraabe, ayaa sheegay in Madaxwaynuhu ku daray xubnaha dawladda Somaliland uga qayb-galaya wada-hadalada Somaliland iyo Somaliya ee dhawaan ka furmaya dalka Turkiga.

 

Eng Faysal Cali Waraabe, waxa uu sheegay in Madaxwaynuhu habeen hore isugu yeedhay xubnihii wada-hadaladii hore xukuumadda uga qayb-galay, kuwaasi oo uu isagu ka mid ahaa.

 

Guddoomiyaha UCID oo maanta shir-jaraa’id ku qabtay Hargeysa ayaa shaki ka muujiyey shirkaasi, isaga oo sheegay inaanu ogolaanayn wax laaqi ku ah sharafta Somaliland.

 

Guddoomiye Faysal Cali Waraabe oo arimahaa ka hadlayaana waxa uu yidhi “Madaxwaynuhu wuxuu noo yeedhay habeen hore, wuxuu yidhi shantiinii hore isku kaalaya arinkaasaa laga tashanayaaye, anigu markaan arinkaasi maqlay waxaan la tashaday dad Mucaarad ah, waxaanan meesha ala tagay toddoba qodob, toddobadii qodobna way hayaan oo meel looga leexan karaa ma jirto”

 

Faysal Cali Waraabe, waxa uu sheegay in Turkigu aanu wax saamayn ah ku yeelan Karin waxa ay ka wada hadlayaan labada dhinac “Turkigu gogosha ayuu inoo dhigayaa, laakiin dadka wada hadlayaa waa inaga iyo Somaliya, anagu UCIDna wixii meesha ka dhaca waanu idiin soo sheegi doonaa, wixii Somaliland sharafteeda laaqi ku ahna meel aan anigu joogo laga ogolaan maayo” ayuu yidhi waxaanu intaa ku daray “Dadbaa igu yidhi huteeladaa lagaga tagi, haddii aniga huteel lagaga taggo boorsadayda ayaan soo qaadanayaa”

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The Turks announce talks between SL and Somalia will begin April 11 2013

 

http://www.caynabanews.com/view.php?id=26373

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http://togaherer.com/madaxweyne-siilaanyo-iyo-wafti-uu-hogaaminayo-oo-u-baxay-wadanka-turkey-kagana-qayb-galaya-wada-hadalada-somaliland-iyo-somalia/

 

President siilaanyo with a huge delegation jets off to Turkey

 

Minister of justice

Minisiter of foreign affairs

Chief of cabinet Xirsi xaaji cali

Duputy parliament speaker

Minister of Housing and social affairs

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“Meeshii danta Somaliland lagaga hadlayo ee maslaxadu noo tilmaantana waanu tagaynaa”

April 8th, 2013

 

“Somaliland waxay doonaysaa in madax-banaanideeda dunidu ictiraafto oo ay ogolaato”

 

“Inaynu shirkan Tagno Danteena ayaa Ku Jirta”

 

Hargeysa (Somaliland.Org)-Madaxweynaha Somaliland Mudane Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud (Siilaanyo) iyo wefti heer qaran ah oo uu Hoggaaminayay ayaa maanta socdaal ugu kicitimay dalka Turkiga, halkaasi oo ay kaga qeyb galayaan wada hadalo fool-ka fool ah oo ay la yeelan doonaan dawladda Soomaaliya oo ay marti-gelisay ama gogoshiisa dhigtay xukuumadda Turkigu.

 

Madaxweynaha Somaliland oo waxyar ka hor intii aanay u kicitimin Turkiga qolka nasashada ee madaarka Hargeysa kula hadlay warbaahinta ayaa tafaasiil ka bixiyay socdaalkiisa, waxaanu yidhi “Waxaanu maanta u baxaynaa dalka Turkiga oo la noogu martiqaaday wada hadal u dhexeeya Somaliland iyo Soomaaliya, inaga siyaasadeenu waxay ahayd goor walba, mar kasta in meeshii danta Somaliland lagaga hadlayo ee danta iyo maslaxadu noo tilmaantana waanu tagaynaa. Way jireen wada-hadalo badan oo aynu ka qayb-galnay, meelo aynu ka gows qabsanayna way jiraan sababo ah inay inoo cuntami waayeen.”

 

Madaxweyne Axmed Siilaanyo oo hadalkiisa sii watay wuxuu yidhi “Markaa halkaasi ayaanu tagaynaa waxaana inoo furmaya wada hadaladii, madax badan oo raysal-baarlamaanku ka mid yahayna waanu ku tagaynaa iyo masuuliyiinta axsaabtu. Waxaanu rajaynaynaa inaanu halkaa wixii qadiyadeena ah gaadhsiino oo aanu dunida gaadhsiino, inaynu shirarkan tagnaana danteena ayaa ku jirta.”

 

cida qadiyadeeda iyo madax-banaanideeda inay dunida gaadhsiiso la doonayaana waa inaga, taana mar walba diyaar-baanu u nahay inaanynu qaran ahaan u dhamaano xisbiyada haddii aynu nahay iyo haddii aanu dawladda nahayba, markaa waxaanu rajeynaynaa inaanu guul kala soo noqono,”ayuu yidhi Madaxweynuhu.

 

Madaxwayne Siilaanyo oo la waydiiyey inuu bulshada u sharaxo ajandaha shirka Turkiga ayaa yidhi “Ajandihiisa cadaan lanoogama dhigin oo wax kow iyo laba aan odhan karayo maaha, laakiin waa Somaliland iyo Soomaaliya oo la wada-hadalsiinayo, laakiin Soomaaliya waxay doonaysaa in laga mid noqdo, Somaliland-na waxay doonaysaa in madax-banaanideeda dunidu ictiraafto oo ay ogolaato.”

Guddoomiyeyaasha axsaabta siyaasadda ee qaranka iyo xubno ka tirsan golaha Wasiirrada oo ay ka mid yihiin Wasiirrada Arrimaha dibadda, Madaxtooyadda, shaqada iyo arrimaha bulshadda, Cadaalada.

 

Madaxweynaha Somaliland waxa madaarka ku sii sagootiyay Madaxweyne Ku xigeenka Somaliland Mudane C/Raxmaan Cabdilaahi Ismaaciil (Saylici) iyo xubno ka mid ah Golaha Wasiirrada, iyadoo uu halkaasi salaan sharaf kaga qaatay cutubyo ka tirsan ciidamada qaranka.

 

Xukuumadda Somaliland ayaa sheegtay inay ajiibtay marti-qaadka ay ka heleen dalka Marti-gelinaya wada hadaladan ay yeelanayaan Somaliland iyo Soomaaliya. Waxaanay ku dooday in kulankani u qabsoomi doono Somaliland oo dhinac ah iyo Soomaaliya oo darafka kale ah.

 

Shirkan ayaa dabo socda laba shir oo ka horeeyay oo kal-hore lagu kala qabtay Ingiriiska iyo Imaaraadka carabta oo lagu saxeexay heshiis ka koobnaa lix qodob oo dulucdiisu ahayd in la sii ambo-qaado wada hadalada labada geesood u bilowday iyo inay ka shaqeeyaan masaalixda mandaqada sida la dagaalanka argagixisada iyo kifaaxa lagula jiro budh-cad badeedka.

 

Sidoo kale, waxa xukuumaddu ay hore u sheegtay inaanay ka qeyb galaynin shirka 6-da Bisha May ee fooda inagu soo haysa ka qabsoomi doona magaaladda London ee dalka Ingiriiska, kaasi oo ay shaaca ka qaadeen inaanu wax faa’iido ahi ugu jirin qaranimadda Somaliland balse uu yahay shir u khaas ah dawlada laga yab-yabay Soomaaliya iyo qaadhaan-bixiyeyaasha oo loo weydiinayo inay dhaqaale ugu yaboohaan si ay cagaheeda iskugu taagto dawladan duruufaysani.

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Turkey to host three-way talks with presidents of Somalia, Somaliland

 

8 April 2013 /SİNEM CENGİZ, ANKARA

Turkey will hold a meeting with leaders of Somalia and Somalia's autonomous Somaliland region in İstanbul on April 13, according to Turkish diplomatic sources.

A senior Turkish diplomat who spoke to Today's Zaman on the condition of anonymity stated that after the tripartite meeting, which will also be attended by Turkish Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu, Somali President Hassan Sheikh Mohamud and Somaliland President Ahmed Mahamoud Silanyo may also come together in a tête-à-tête meeting, adding that the two leaders may also hold talks with Turkish officials in Ankara after their meeting in İstanbul.

 

“Turkey will hold a tripartite meeting with the two leaders in order to facilitate the dialogue between them. This is the first meeting of its kind between the two leaders and Turkey is very pleased that the meeting is taking place in İstanbul. Turkey is ready to do its part for the maintenance of the dialogue between the two leaders. We are facilitating rather than mediating with this meeting,” said the diplomat.

 

Somaliland unilaterally declared its independence as a de facto sovereign state in 1991 after a coalition of clan-based armed opposition groups ousted the nation's long-standing military government. The area is internationally recognized as an autonomous region of Somalia.

 

According to the diplomat, Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan may also come together with the two leaders if his schedule permits.

 

During his first diplomatic visit to Turkey in late December after taking office, Mohamud expressed his gratitude to the Turkish government and the nation for their support and aid and for instilling hope in Somalis. Mohamud, Somalia's president since last September, was invited to Turkey by his counterpart, President Abdullah Gül.

 

Silanyo visited Turkey in mid-March to have talks with Turkish officials, including Davutoğlu, who pledged to increase aid efforts to Somaliland. During his visit, Silanyo was also scheduled to meet with Erdoğan; however, the meeting had to be canceled due to Erdoğan's poor health. The diplomat stated that five ministers from the Somaliland side also attended the Davutoğlu-Silanyo meeting, which was closed to the press.

 

Following the meeting between Davutoğlu and Silanyo, the delegations came together over a working meal. According to the diplomat, the sides discussed the projects of the Turkish International Cooperation and Development Agency (TİKA) and other Turkish nongovernmental organizations in Somaliland. “The Turkish foreign minister pledged to increase Turkey's aid efforts in all regions of Somalia, including Somaliland. He also underlined that Somaliland is of great importance to Turkey due to historical ties that have existed since the Ottoman era,” said the diplomat.

 

According to the diplomat, Davutoğlu also pledged to continue his support for the reconciliation, stability, prosperity and development of Somalia. During the meeting, he also emphasized Turkey's commitment to the integrity of Somalia, said the source.

 

Aid from Turkey in the aftermath of the 2011 famine in Somalia, the opening of the Turkish Embassy in Mogadishu in November 2011 and a visit by Erdoğan in August 2011 to the country provided momentum for the relationship between Turkey and Somalia.

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Xildhibaan Maxamed Cabdi Yusuf “Dowladda Haka Fiirsato La Fariisashada Somaliland Iyadoo Sheeganeyso Dowlad”.

 

Xildhibaan Maxamed Cabdi Yuusuf, oo horey R/wasaare ugu soo noqday Dowladii KMG ee lagu soo dhisay Magaalada Carta ee dalka Jabuut,i ayaa ka digay in Madaxda sare ee Dowlada Federalka Soomaaliya aysan ku qaldamin waxa ka hor imaanaya qaranimada dalka Soomaaliya, isla Markaana ay dhowraan Dastuurka dalka, xilli uu ka hadlayay Aragtidiisa ku aadan shirka la filayo in uu ka dhaco dalka Turkiya kaasi oo loogu hadli doono Arrimaha Soomaaliya gaar ahaan siyaasada is diidan ee Dowlada Soomaaliya iyo Maamulka Soomaaliland.

 

Maxamed Cabdi Yuusuf, oo wareysi siiyay Warbaahinta ayaa waxa uu sheegay in aysan jirin 2 dowladood oo la yiraahda Soomaaliland iyo Soomaaliya, kuwaasi oo lagu wada hadal siinayo dalka Turkiya, iyadoona aan loo baahneen buu yiri in Madaxda Dowlada Federalka Soomaaliya ay ka qeyb galaan shir la leeyahay waxaa lagu wada hadal siinayaa Soomaaliland iyo Soomaaliya, isagoona ku baaqay in ka hor inta aan laga qeyb galin shirkaasi in si weyn loo darso Ajandaha iyo hanaanka loogu qeyb galaayo Shirkaasi.

 

Hadii ay Dowlada Federalka Soomaaliya wada hadal galeyso, waa in ay la gashaa Mucaarad gooni u goosad ah, ama koox tanaasushay oo leh Soomaalinimo ayaan rabnaa balse ma jirto dowlad la yiraahda Soomaaliland iyo Soomaaliya oo is hor fadhiisan kara, taasi waxa ay jibineysaa dastuurka dalka u dagsan, Madaxda sare ee dalkana waa in ay dhowraan Dastuurka, waa in wada hadalka laga saaraa wax la yiraah Somaliland iyo Soomaaliya” Ayuu yiri Xildhibaan Maxamed Cabdi Yuusuf.

 

“Dalka waxa uu leeyahay Dastuur, ciddii dasturkaasi ka hor timaadana waxa ay galeysaa Qiyaamo Qaran, Ra’iisul Wasaaraha iyo Madaxweynaha Dowlada Federalka Soomaaliya waa in ay texgeliyaan Dastuurka dalka u dagsan, gaar ahaan qodobada 1-aad iyo 7-aad ee dastuurka oo qeexaya Midnimada dalka iyo Xuduudaha uu leeyahay dalka Soomaaliya, dastuurka waxa uu cadeenayaa in dalka Soomaaliya ay ka jirto 1-dowlad oo Federal ah, ee laguma soo qorin in ay ka jirto 2 dowladood” Ayuu yiri Ra’iisul Wasaarihii hore ee Soomaaliya, Xildhibaan Maxamed Cabdi Yuusuf.

 

“Xuduudaha marka laga hadlo dhinaca waqooyi xuduuda inaga xigta waa Golf Aden, Waqooyi Galbed jabuuti, Galbeed Eithopia, Bari Indian Ocean, ee kuma qorna Xuduud la yiraah Soomaaliland, taasina waxa ay kuu mujineysaa in dalka uu yahay 1-dal, uuna ka jiro 1-dowlad iyo Maamulada hoos yimaada, balse aan ka jirin Dowlad kale oo ka madax banaan Dowlada dhexe ee dalka Soomaaliya”.

 

Xildhibaan Maxamed Cabdi Yuusuf waxa uu carabka ku dhiftay in ay Muhiim tahay in Soomaaliya ay wada hadasho, isla markaana cida waliba waxa ay cida kale ka tabaneyso ay soo bandhigto, balse wada hadalka lagu saleeyo si Qaranimo iyo Soomaalinimo leh, iyadoo dalka iyo dadka aan la kala qeyb qeybineenin, waa sida uu hadalka u dhigayee, iyadoona hadalka Xildhinaanka uu kusoo beegmayo Xilli la filayo in Maalmaha soo aadan uu dalka Turkiya ka dhaco shir lagu wada hadal siinayo Dowlada Federalka Soomaaliya iyo Maamulka Soomaaliland sida uu qorshuhu yahay.

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Somalia: Somaliland Delegation En Route to Ankara for Talks With Somalia

 

Somaliland’s delegation for the talks with Somalia being hosted by Turkey arrived in Addis Ababa yesterday en route for Ankara.

 

The delegation, led by President Ahmed Mahmud Silanyo, includes his wife, Amina Mohamed Jirdeh ‘Amina Weris’, Foreign Minister Dr. Omar and three other ministers as well as the leader of one of the opposition parties (UCID), Engineer Feisal Ali Warabe. The other opposition leader, Parliamentary Speaker Abdirahman Irro of Wadani is already in Europe and is expected to join the delegation in Turkey.

 

Before leaving Hargeisa, President Silanyo reiterated that the issue of Somaliland’s sovereignty will not be on the agenda in the talks, which Somaliland officials say should focus on possible areas of cooperation such as borders, security and trade.

 

The talks were initiated at the February 2012 London conference on Somalia and President Sheikh Sharif and President Silanyo later signed a four point declaration in Dubai to continue the discussions. Further talks were delayed by the change in the government in Somalia.

 

There were expectations that the talks might be resumed at the Conference on Somalia being held in London in May but Somaliland has announced it will not be attending.

 

Source: Alafrica

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I am quite sceptical if Somaliland and Somalia will reach a deal in Turkey. Turkey doesnt have the leverage needed to push for a compromise in Somaliland and neither in Somalia.

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Carafaat Somaliland and Somalia needs African mediators , i some how think the world does not want SL and Somalia to reach a settlement. But lets see maybe the turks will surprise us all