The Somalia-Somaliland talks Thread

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

The Koonfurians are desperate

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Somaliland: Mogadishu Relinquishes Airspace Control and Acknowledges

 

Tuesday, 09 July 2013 17:13

 

By: Yusuf M Hasan

 

ISTANBUL (Somalilandsun) - A Joint Somaliland and Somalia Communiqué is expected soon following the conclusion of dialogue held in Istanbul from 7th-9th July 2013.

 

The Somaliland and Somalia negotiators have been conduction their internationally sanctioned dialogue in the Turkish city of Istanbul under the leadership of Dr Mohamed Abdilahi Omar and Mr Abdikarim Guleid respectively.

 

While an official communiqué is yet to be issued Somalilandsun sources indicate that this time around Somaliland negotiators have made their brethren proud by achievements made in discussions that are expected to read like this:

 

Quote- In accordance with the framework agreements reached in Chevening, Dubai and Ankara, delegations from Somaliland and Somalia met in Istanbul between 7 and 9 July 2013 with the assistance of the Turkish Government. In accordance with the agreements codified in the Ankara Communiqué of 13 April 2013, this round of the dialogue sought to establish additional parameters for the Dialogue, and to further clarify relations between the two governments. The delegations also addressed specific issues that have arisen since the previous meeting.

 

The two sides:

 

1. Acknowledged the atrocities committed against the people of Somaliland by the government of Somalia under the military regime of Siad Barre.

 

2. The Somali Federal Government and Somaliland Governments agreed to set up a joint committee to evaluate the damage before dealing with these historical wounds.

 

3. Called on a broader range of third-party governments and international organisations to provide regular facilitation and support to the Dialogue process.

 

4. Welcomed the possibility that future rounds of the dialogue could take place in Somaliland or Somalia when deemed appropriate by both parties. This is subject to approval by the Somaliland Parliament.

 

5. Agreed that the Somali Federal Government will support the Somaliland Government's separate representation in international discussions on issues with relevance to its people. This is subject to approval by the Somali Federal Parliament.

 

6. Approved the right of the Somaliland Government to be the sole arbiter of agreements for international investment in the area encompassing the Somaliland territory, including the exploration and exploitation of natural resources.

 

7. Agreed to establish a bilateral control body in Hargeisa to jointly manage the air traffic control of both sides, and to create a mechanism for equitable revenue-sharing.

 

8. Agreed upon the establishment of set procedures and protocol arrangements for future rounds of the dialogue (detailed separately).

 

Signature Signature

 

Mr Abdikarim Guleid Dr Mohamed Abdilahi Omar

 

Somalia Somaliland

[Khadafi]

As a deep-seated reer-konfur from the southern towns of Xamar-Cadeey and Baraawe and Marka, My whole take on this Somali-land and Somalia issue is to let it be as it is. The North has peace and tranquility while we in the south have suicide inspired bombers, clan war-fare (note somaliland has also this problem). I heard a wise quote from the late educated Cigaal ilaahay u naxariisto during the Arta reconciliation conference in Djibouti.

 

He said "lets the south sort it problems out and we will then talk to them" in Sarbeeb this means we will reconcile with our fellow somalis

when they have peace. For God's sake let's be honest to each other, you dont see ugandese Amison forces roaming in the streets of

the triangle state of Somaliland.

 

 

Secondly, Somali-land has its own issues, their are some clans who resist and will not join the snm-project of Somaliland. We should

respect that. Clan wars has taught us on good lesson. You can not force other clans. The legitimate Somali federal government should

not even attend talks with Somali land. Why should they? It's a tribal entity. They should welcome and support those clans in the north that' believe in somalinimo and pan-somalism.

 

Ngonge said something that I think true, It's all about interest. Let's leave the Hargeysa-Berbera Burco- Somaliland project alone, and when they see that it's in their own interest to join a democratic economical sustainable peaceful Somalia they will change their policies.

[ANWAR]

Xaaji Xunjuf;967644 wrote:

The Koonfurians are desperate

hahahah

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Dhageyso: Shirkii Somalia & Somaliland oo La Isku Marilayahay iyo Shirka oo ilaa Barito Soconaya

 

July 9, 2013 at 16:42 pm

shirka Somalia iyo Somaliland ee Turkiga Maalintii 2'aad

 

shirka Somalia iyo Somaliland ee Turkiga Maalintii 2′aad

 

Wadahadaladii Somalia iyo Somaliland ayaa maanta waxay ahayd maalintii sadexaad isla markaana la filayey inuu ku soo dhamaado shirkaas oo qodobada lagu heshiiyeyna la soo saaro,.

 

Saaka markuu shirku bilaabmay waxaa aad la isugu mari waayey qodobo ay ka mid yihiin in shirka dambe lagu qabto somalia oo waliba lagu horeeyo Somaliland arintaasna waxaa aad uga soo horjeestey waftiga dhinaca Somaliland.

 

Hadaba Wariyaha Idaacada BBC Somali u jooga shirka ayaa wareysi uu siiyey idaacada ku sheegey in shirkan wax rajo wanaagsan aaanay ka soo baxayn oo la is mari layahay.

 

warkaas oo faah faahsan halkan hoose ka dhageyso:-

 

http://saraarmedia.com/blog/archives/9666?fb_source=pubv1

[GAROODI]

6. Approved the right of the Somaliland Government to be the sole arbiter of agreements for international investment in the area encompassing the Somaliland territory, including the exploration and exploitation of natural resources.

 

Interesting

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Wada Hadaladii Turkiga Uga Socday Somaliland Iyo Soomaaliya Oo Lagu Heshiiyay Sadex Qodob

 

July 9th, 2013

 

Heshiiskan waxa uu dan u yahay Somaliland

 

Istanbul (Somaliland.Org)-Shirkii afraad ee wada hadaladda Somaliland iyo Soomaaliya uga socday magaaladda Istanbuul ee dalka Turkiga ayaa caawa la soo gabo-gabeeyay, waxaanay ergadii ka kala socotay labada dal ay ku heshiiyeen heshiis ka kooban sadex qodob.

 

Heshiiskan waxa dhinaca Somaliland u saxeexay Wasiirka Ganacsiga iyo Maalgashiga Dr. Maxamed Cabdilaahi Cumar, halka Soomaaliyana uu qalinka ugu duugay Wasiirka Arrimaha Gudaha C/Kariim Xuseen Guuleed. Waxaanay labada Wasiir-ba sheegeen inay ku qanacsan yihiin heshiiska la gaadhay waxaanay u mahad celiyeen dawladda Turkiga oo isku hawshay ka mido dhalinta wada hadalada labada geesood u socday oo ay marti-gelinaysay.

 

Sadexda Qodob Ee Lagu Heshiiyay Waxay u dhignaayeen sidan:-

 

1)- Maamulka Hawadda lagala wareego Qarrammadda Midoobay oo lagu wareejiyo Guddi wada jir ah oo ka kooban Somaliland iyo Soomaaliya. Gudidaasna fadhigoodu noqdo Hargeysa. Guddidaasi waxay soo gudbin doonaan nidaam si siman dakhliga loogu qeybsan doono.

2)- In la sii wado wada hadaladda.

 

3)- In wada hadaladda kan ku xigaa lagu qabto isla dalka Turkiga muddo 120 maalmood ah (afar bilood) ah ka dib.

 

 

shirkan ayaa muddo laba maalmood ah u socday labada wadan ee Somaliland iyo Soomaaliya, waxaana la sheegay inay ahaayeen wada hadaladii ugu adkaa ee labada geesood isku soo hor-fadhiistaan, iyadoo la isku mari waayay ajandihii ka koobnaa tobanka qodob ee miiska u saarnaa.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

War Deg-deg ah:- Shirkii Labadda Wadan Ee Somaliland iyo Somalia Oo La Soo Gabogabeeyay iyo Hal Qodob Oo La Isla Qaatay

 

(Hadhwanaagnews) Tuesday, July 09, 2013

Kaas oo ah in Lagala Soo Noqdo UN-ka Hawada oo la sameeyo maamul wada jira oo Xarun Looga dhigo Hargeysa, dakhligana si xaq ah loo qaybsado

 

Hargeysa (HWN) - Wada Hadaladda Labadda Wadan ee Somaliland iiyo Somalia uga socday Dalka Turkiga ayaa si aad ah loogu kala aragti duwanaa.

 

Kulankan oo saddex maalmood ka socday Magaaladda Istanbul, ayaa goor dhaweyd la soo gabogabeeyay, waxaana laga soo saaray hal qodob.

 

 

Waxaanu ku yidhi qoraalkaas kooban sidan Waxa Aanu Mar dhaweyd soo gabogabaynay shirkii Wada Hadaladda Somaliland iyo Somalia, saddex cisho markii aanu is jafaynay waxa aanu ku heshiinay, hal qodob oo keli ah.

 

Kaas oo ah in Lagala Soo Noqdo UN-ka Hawada oo la sameeyo maamul wada jira oo Xarun Looga dhigo Hargeysa, dakhligana si xaq ah loo qaybsado.

 

 

Waxa intaas raaca in la isku soo laabto afar bilood ka dib, waxaana lagu kulmi doonaa Dalka Turkiga? ayuu ydihi.

[GAROODI]

Saxib its a waste of time... We should just focus on oil exploration and ganel entering SOMALILAND in 2014 and further development by the time we develop and purchase what we need we can start the games inside Somalia.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Somaliland:Ankara Talks stalled

 

By Goth Mohamed Goth

 

The ongoing Somaliland and Somalia talks in Ankara have stalled after the negotiating teams from the two sides failed to agree on the 10 points present at the start of the dialogue meeting ,the today’s meeting was adjourned the several times for the teams to consult with their respective government s back home.

 

The parties seem to have made headway on the issue of solving the impasse on who controls the Somaliland’s airspace by which both sides agreed to

 

1. . Both sides agreed to setup a committee which will be tasked with running the airspace of both Somalia and Somaliland which will be based in Hargeisa and the return of the controlling of the airspace from the UN.

 

2. . The continuation of the talks

 

3. . The resumption of the talks in Ankara in 120 days’ time

 

Here are the Points Presented by both sides earlier

 

Somaliland

 

1. SFG should recognize that Somaliland reclaimed their independence

 

2. As long as discussion continues for two sides Somaliland should be allocated separate seat during international conferences concerned what was used Somalia

 

3. Somalia should arrest and hand to Somaliland all individuals committed crime against humanity, and given compensation

 

4. Somaliland should have authority of managing its airspace.

 

5. Getting investment for Somaliland resources.

 

Somalia’s

 

five point agenda was:

 

1. Unity of Somalia should be abiding

 

2. Permit free movement of people and politicians on each side.

 

3. Other remaining dialogues be hold inside country

 

4. To hold future dialogues inside Somaliland or Somalia

 

5. Design standard procedure abiding for future dialogue

[malistar2012]

WHY are somalilander insecure? 2. Permit free movement of people and politicians on each side. sad that just shows how fragile the situation is in Somaliland.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

malistar2012;967714 wrote:

WHY are somalilander insecure? 2. Permit free movement of people and politicians on each side. sad that just shows how fragile the situation is in Somaliland.

Why would we want that why would we want Somalia's politicians to come to Somaliland whats it in for us ?

Somalia's politician are not welcome in Somaliland, if Somalia removes Somaliland from their constitution, than maybe we can discuss that.

[malistar2012]

what about Fowsiyo Yusuf Xaaji native of somalilander? Somaliland north korea of Somalia.;/ Free the people sxb before you talk about recognition

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Nope you will not be allowed in Somaliland.

[GAROODI]

malistar2012;967720 wrote:

what about Fowsiyo Yusuf Xaaji native of somalilander? Somaliland north korea of Somalia.;/ Free the people sxb before you talk about recognition

She is allowed she just has to quit her job and ask for a presedential pardon. Two points seem to really show how desperate they are to get a foot hold into SOMALILAND. Allow politicians to to enter, holding he talks in Hargaisa. They even excepted somali airspace I be controlled from Hargaisa. No Calsoni in their Ugandan protectorate and that is what shows true fragility.