The Somalia-Somaliland talks Thread

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A Comprehensive Analysis Of The Two Talks between Somaliland And Somalia.

 

Written by Ibarhim Ismail **

Jul 04, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Now that we see the white-in-the-eyes of the agreement the two presidents reached in Dubai as well as the previous agreement in London in Chevening House. Then, the question becomes, as to how to read and reason with such a "deliberately cryptic" documents? And, furthermore how to do one-over of a decent analysis to these two agreements?

 

Firstly, in here before we begun lets stipulates that one needs to be brutally honest. As well as be frank with reality in which however much one may wishes it to be others, still, nevertheless it seems to be transpiring in front of our eyes, like so much of a seductive strip-tease of one garment-at-the-time sort of final denouement.

 

 

Secondly, in order to do justice of the talks so far, one also has to take the two communiques together so that one will be able to read back-and-forth between them. Now that we have set the stage of what we seem to have in this Dubai Statement And Chevening House Communique, let's turn our gaze on to the reality of the situation as well as what they likely will purport in the future.

 

 

Consequently, in here the first thing to say is that, as I expected, the London's Chevening House 8 points agreement is the basis in which the future talks between the two sides will be conducted with. As was agreed by the two presidents in their Dubai Statement. This means the presidential agreement between the two presidents merely and formally endorses that "curtain-raiser-agreement" as the "cornerstone" of any and all future talks between the sides. Hence, it will be, in short, the "legal frame-work" in which all subsequent talks between the two sides will be based on. And, therefore, that means, procedurally and operationally, any argument (championing by any side, for example) which could be outside of the "scope" of that Chevening house's 8 points agreement is effectively, null-and-void. Which means, that each party has the right to call out as an "off-side" action, if the other party were to try to sneak in the future talks between the two sides anything that is not within the "precisely-defined-remit" of the agreed-and-endorsed document.

 

 

Subsequently, the up-shot of this way of reasoning things means, that Somaliland's hands are tied to discuss only the agreed point in the Chevening 8 points agreement. And, also, TFG (or its successor) will have legally endorsed statement that says that, if Somaliland brings on the table anything that is outside of those agreed points, then, she and her representative have the right to say that is outside of our agreement. And, the IC will be legal-bound to side with them.

 

 

Thirdly, at this point, some of you may wonder as to how come I am reading the Chevening 8 points agreement to be a legal document that restricts the elbow room of Somaliland, which I presumed some of you may already notice it. And the answer is that document (at least in its bold written text) doesn't at all say anything about the legal issue in which Somaliland is arguing for. Other than vaguely referring back to London agreement of 23rd February.

 

 

In other words, as London's February agreement hold, to say two parties should clarify their future relationship could mean one and a thousand sense of legal meaning. And that would be from complete re-union to a complete separation and all that is between them. Hence it was incumbent on the negotiators from Somaliland to have defined in so precise manner what the call for clarification is meant to be understood it in the agreement. Or at least how they interpret that meaning. Or failing that, then there should have been stand-alone clause (or even addendum) within the agreement the says: Somaliland's position in so far as the notion of calling for the clarification of her future relationship with Somalia means this precise wording. And, then to make the text a very neutral document, you immediately contrast that with the version in which the TFG understand the meaning for the call to clarify her relationship with Somaliland ought to mean, in the sense of adding to it.

 

 

And, you do this way in-order to have the beginning of a talks without prejudicing any one position, but at the same time not leaving any ambiguity as to what each side is saying or for that matter not allowing no side in saying our definition for clarifying our relationship is the one that should take precedence over the other one, for we are recognized or even UN's endorsed government. And, therefore, to preempt any endless dance around of what each party is contending on here, one has to be so straight forward in the way in which both parties can have their meaning of this word "to clarify" set it out in a clear stall of plain language. Of course, the whole purpose of the discussion will always hinges on whose definition prevails. But, by the same token, those two competing terms ought to have been given a legal force in the agreement, and therefore, they ought to have been stated exactly in a precise wording, so that what each party is bringing to the table is clear for the mediators and protagonist, alike .

 

This means, to belabored the point further, within the agreement you must so categorically state the main and firmly held position of each party. And you do this so that the future talks will be clear of what they ought to mean in legal sense. Or at least it will be clear as to what their main thrust will be gears towards it.

 

Of course, the TFG may not have signed any agreement that calls for the clarification of the future relationship if the text of that agreement boldly were to have stated what the Somaliland's position is and what she means when she call for clarification. Even if you also add at the same time and in the same page what in turn the TFG was also minding to mean when she herself assent for the need for the clarification of both parties future relationship. But, still, be that as it may, the benefit of doing things this way, would of have been is that it would have allowed the future talks to be based on the reality - in explicit sense - at least in so far as Somaliland is concern, precisely what is calling for, as she enters these talks, and they will be marker for the mediators to know, not as a publicly stated letter from the president. But, as a legal document in which without it, Somaliland would not sign any document omitting her position of the talks. And, of course, it follows, that will also leave no room for doubt as to how to measure the outcome of these talks. Which is much more of a preferable method than this way of relying on ambiguous phrases that could mean one thousand and one thing to all and sunder.

 

Fourthly, the up-shot of this is that we have a "legal outcome" in which that deliberate obfuscation has resulted it so far, inadvertently or otherwise. Since, the future talks could not touch - at least legally - anything of the argument that is of Somaliland central argument. And, furthermore the TFG could have anyway it wants to "interpret" the meaning of the word "clarify" their future relationship. Given the fact there is no precise meaning of legal sense in which both parties had agreed in which this word mean or ought to mean; or even, what range of possibilities this word - "to clarify" is encompassing in here.

 

But all that said one have to acknowledge particularly with frankness and with boldness that the current "Dubai Statement" seemed to be "cementing" a rather nasty piece of under-hand political work against Somaliland. And, also it's in here that one has to say that the Chevening 8 points agreement is the culprit that started the whole rot. Consequently, taken together, these two talks, so far, are nothing but a tragic course of action for Somaliland and her indefatigable people when it comes to what their leadership seemed to have wrought in their name.

 

Lastly, but, not least, seeing what seems to be transpiring in here (with a too-clever-by-half-agenda on the part of the current leadership, as I have suspected all along) then, it's incumbent for all Somalilanders in everywhere in the world, regardless of party or any other secondary affiliation that they may have to take all necessary action in correcting this "gathering crime" against the very existence of their Republic while still the day is young and matters still rest in their hand. And, furthermore, they should pay no heed at all to any seductive talk about how the current leadership is playing a "clever long game" with Somalia.

 

For the sort of standing skulduggery - of the kind that is of playing the clever long game against your opponents - may be the sort of passing arguments that cuts much ice in the ever feuding party-politics of Somaliland. But in the spheres of the international agreements and the legality it enforces, what matters are the signed and the agreed document. With it's precise and deliberated wording. This means, anything that is not nailed down to a bold precise text or even to a so defined in so precise formulation, or at least at minimum, defined in a addendum to the main agreement, does not get to look in by those who you will need to interpret for you, namely the mediators who will assumed the role of arbitrators, if and when those agreements becomes a bone of contention between the parties that are signatory to the original document.

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In short, considering the ambiguity of wording, the deliberate obfuscation of the meaning of : "to clarify their future relationship", the sheer absence in both talks for so bold of a text stating the case of what Somaliland is seeking from these talks even if you immediately contrast that paragraph as to what TFG in their end want, the absence of the time-line in which this these talks are supposed to be done and dusted with, the lack of defining the number of times in which these talks must be had in-order to get the "clarification definition", and finally the inherent open-ended meaning of these talks, all led me to believe that Somaliland has sold themselves short in here. Particularly in both talks so far.

 

And in effect they have allowed the TFG to be the partner in the talks with a "veto power" when it comes to what to discuss, when to discuss things, and in what order of sequence to do so, and whether the agreed mutual cooperation - as stated by both talks - comes first or second than the promise to "clarify" their relationship going forward.

 

And this, in my view, sadly is an impeachable offense on the part of Somaliland's delegation, who signed this document. Furthermore, now that the two presidents gave their impromptu endorsement of this deliberately ambiguous agreement, without bringing a needed day-light to the inherent ambiguous sense of the original Chevening 8 points agreement, particularly in the manner in which we have been led to believe by a various Kulmiye's mouth-pieces in the media. Then this also means, that the president is constitutionally culpable for this "gathering crime" against the very public oath of office to which he took when he assumed the presidency of the Republic. Given the fact, that, the oath of office that he took deliberately sets out the scope of "constitutional fidelity" to which he must uphold it. And furthermore, that same constitution he was tasked to uphold call for the protection of the very existence of Somaliland in any bilateral agreement with another party; which sadly, in this instance, he flagrantly disregarded it in this Dubai Statement as well as endorsing the previous Chevening agreement that had white-washed Somaliland's position in these talks

 

However, whether this impeachable offense in which president Silanyo have committed it is a consequences of "deliberate commission" on his part. Or whether it's to do with a touch of a tardy understanding of what he was signing on. Or even whether it was to do with a lackadaisical read of what the agreement he was signing may have been purporting to mean in his mind (both in explicitly as well as implicitly), will be a matter time alone will furnish a decent answer for all of us.

 

And, Finally, and in a sense, you could say, that I am deeply dishearten for being a bearer of bad news to the readers and for my people alike. Although, to be honest I am less incline as it is to worry about being accused of having a particular "axe-to-grind" against the current elected government. For I consider my duty to sound the alarm in boldness in here so that I can bring the real "state-of-play" to far outweigh of any other consideration. For in the final analysis our duty as a Somalilanders is to be, as they say in certain part of US: "Trust, But Verify".

 

 

And, in that sense, we must ask our leaders to be certifiably accountable to us. Particularly, when they do enter on our behalf an international agreement in which it's purported meaning or the larger political imprint it can have is at best "decidedly and deliberately ambiguous". Or at worse, it could mean nothing less than Alice-in-wonderland retort of saying that words means no less than what I want them to mean regardless of how that is fanciful to anyone else.

 

Hence, it will be a historical tragedy on our part, if we allow this state of affairs to continue without knowing what sting in the tail it will herald for us as a country and as a people in going forward.

 

 

Regards,

 

Ibrahim Ismail

 

ibrahim_ismail@yahoo.com

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Hal ku Socda Wada Hadalka Somaliland Iyo Somalia, Maxaase Durtaba Ka Soo If Baxay???

 

Eng. Bashe Cabdi Gaboobe

 

1991-kii Jamhuriyadda Somaliland waxey dib ula soo noqotey Madaxbanaanideedii ka khasaartey 1960. waxey dhisatey maamul u saldhig u yahey nabad,dimoqraadiyad, nidaamka axsaabta badan iyo talo wadaag.Waxa afti loo qaadey dastuur qaran oo’ u ku xardhan yahey ‘’gooni’ isu taaga Somaliland gorgortan ma leh’’.Muddada 21-ka sanno ahayd waxey Somaliland naawileysey Ictiraaf ay beesha caalamka ka hesho iyada o mar walba iska ilaalineysey siyaasi iyo madax dhaqameed reer Somaliland ah oo hunguri qaado oo shillimaad yar ku doonaya inu masiirka ummadda siisto,waxaaney sameeysatey xeerar iyo qawaaniin dabraya oo ciqaabaya ‘ashkhaasta falkaas ku kaca nasib darro se, Xukumadda Siilaanyo waxay ka ansixisay golaayaasha sharci dejinta xeerar ay ku dabar furayso sharciga hore ,taas oo Somaliland gayeysiisey in madaxdhaqmeed iyo siyaasiyiin reer Somaliland si badheedh ah uga qayb galaan Shirka Xamar ka socda ee Somalia dawladda loogu dhisaayo.

 

Muddada 21-ka sanno, konfurta Somaaliya waxey ku jirtey dawlad la’aan,dagaal,burbur iyo qax haddana beesha caalamku iney dawlad ka jirto ayey u aqoonsantahey. Meesha mar walba la ina barbar dhigaa ee la yidhaahda waa meel nabdoon waa maamulka Puntland ,waa meesha budhcad badeedu ka dilaacdey ee boqolaalka dad iyo maraakiibta badan lagu haysto,waa meesha tahriibtu ka socoto ee kumanaanka dad ee u dhashey Somaali iyo Xabashi intey lacag ka qadaan badda cas ku daadiya.

 

Xukumadda uu hoggaaminayo Madaxweyne Axmed Silaanyo ee laba jirsatey waxa ugu muhimsan ee loo doortey in ay Somaliland ictiraaf beesha caalamka uga keento/hesho.Waxa xaqiiqa’ marag ma doon ah in maamulka madaxweyne sIilaanyo muddada labada sannadood in aaney cidna waydIisan Ictiraaf. Waxaana markhaati ka ah hadalki Madaxda dawladda Ingriiska ee ay sheegeen in Xukuumadda Madaxweyne Siilaanyo aaney marnaba Ictiraaf weydisan ,iyada oo Madaxweyne Siilaanyo iyo Wasiirkiisa arrimaha dibeddu u wadanka Ingriisku yahey meesha ay ugu socdaalka badan yihiin.

 

Haddaba iyadoo xaalku halkaa marayo ayaa beesha caalamku qabteen 23-kii February, shirki London ee Somalia oo qodabka lixaad odhanayo Somaliland iyo Somalia hawada hadlaan.

 

Waxay Soomaalidu tidhaahda dadku hadalkay isku af gartaan xoolohuna urta. Markaa in Somaliland iyo Soomaaliya wada hadlaan caqliga saliimku ma diidayo. Laakin arrinta muhimka ah waxa waayi maxa laga wada hadlayaa??? , ma midnimaa laga wada hadlaya, ma ictiraafka Somaliland baa laga wada hadlayaa, ma in la wada hadla’un ba loo wada hadlaya???? !! .

 

Haddaba markaynu si qoto dheer u falanqeyno qodabadi ka soo baxay labadi shir ee lagu kala qabtey chevening house iyo Dubai, laba qodob ayaa si cad uga soo horjeeda qaranimada somaliland mid wa qodoka 8-aad ee qodabadi lagu saxeexay chevening house kaas oo odhanaya in la dhameystiro dhisidda dawladda Soomaaliya oo laga baxo ku meel gaadhnimada. Haddaba su’aashu waxay tahey, dawladda Somalia loo dhisayo ma mid koonfurta Somalia u gaar ahbaa mise waa mid Somalia oo dhan wakiil ka ahbaa ? Jawaabtu waa mid Somalia oo dhan wakiil ka ah oo Somaliland ku jirto.

 

Midda labaad waa sexeexi Madaxweynaha ee uu ku saxeexey shirkii Dubai, madaxweynaha Somlaliland oo u ka tagey Jamhuriyadda Somaliland, halka sheikh shariif ku saxeexey Madaxweynaha dawladda ku meel gaadhka federaalka Somalia.Taas oo innaga dhigaysa maamul goboleed hoos taga Sheikh sharif.

 

 

 

Alla Mahad Leh,

 

 

 

Eng. Bashe Cabdi Gaboobe

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The meeting between Somalia and Somaliland

The long awaited meeting between the two parties is scheduled to be taken in London on 20th of June 2012. Although it difficult to discern what is in the agenda of the two sides, yet let us try to dig out and anticipate what could be in their agendas and you be the judge. May be I am wrong and there is no agenda as the Somaliland Vice President is not aware of any agenda of his government.

 

Mr. Somalia:

Helo Mr. Somaliland and how are you today brother. We are glad that you have finally realized that there is no other way other than talking to us. It is our problem and we are the only people who can solve it. You went to almost every country on earth to ask for separation but to no avail. Now you realized the buck stops at Mogadishu and nowhere else. You learned it the hard way. We waited for this meeting for more than twenty years. Congratulations you have come to your sense…better late than never.

 

Mr.Somaliland;

Don’t you call me brother, because if you were my brother you wouldn’t have done what you did to me.

 

Mr. Somalia:

What did I do to you? Frankly I have no idea of what you are talking about. You never seize to amaze me. You are our brothers and we love you and we will never do anything to hurt you. Is it by design that you sent Godane, Afghani, Furur and the whole killer group to take revenge from us? These killer machines have killed more innocent people in one month than Siad Bare did in his life time and we are not accusing you of killing us. Let us put the blame where it belongs.

Mr. Somaliland:

You know perfectly what you have done to us. To tell you the truth, we will never forgive you for the crimes committed against our people. We will be ****** if are bitten from the same hole twice.

 

Mr. Somalia:

On the contrary we thought we committed crimes against our people not against you. I hope you don’t mean crimes committed by Siyad Bare Regime are ours. He did the same thing to us. But together we fought him and got rid of him. We had the impression that we were fighting on the same side and we thought we deserve to congratulate ourselves and work together so that we don’t ever face a similar situation again.

 

Mr. Somaliland:

It is true that we got rid of the terror with your supporting role. But it is us who took the brunt of the war. The crimes committed in Somaliland were rightly committed by your people even if it was not you directly. You have to be courageous and accept the responsibility of all the acts of genocide committed by what used to be Somalia. I don’t want to be hurt again.

 

Mr. Somalia:

We are extremely sorry about what the Siyad Regime did to you. But what surprises me is the way you single out yourself with all the atrocities of Siad Regime. I don’t believe in collective punishment too. We must be strong and forget about what happened and let us together build a better future for our kids so that they don’t suffer as much as we did. Let us make a strong foundation for a better tomorrow. We have wasted 21 precious years. We need each other. We are one nation under One God.

 

Mr. Somaliland:

If you are honest about that, let us part our ways and support one another. We will be the best of friends if you do that. Remember my friends we were two different countries before we were united. We had two different colonial systems incongruent to one other. So we were one country with two different systems. We overwhelmingly rejected the referendum of the constitution in 1961. We were ruled by a constitution we rejected. That could only mean the union has never legally taken place.

 

Mr. Somalia:

We are tired of your being a British colony. Somalis had no boundary before we were divided and colonized by foreign powers against our wishes. Your best excuse for secession is based on an arbitrary boundary made by the hideous colonizers. For heaven’s sake stop eulogizing the British. Let bygones be bygones and let us talk about something more substantive than that today; let us be just Somalis without being British for a change. Even the British you adore so much refused to recognize you because when they left, they left Somalia behind not Somaliland. The British themselves wiped the word Somaliland from the face of the earth.

 

Mr. Somaliland:

There is not much to talk about today. We came only to improve our relationship. We are two neighboring brotherly countries. You may think we came here to secede from you, but we did that 21 years ago. Secession is a fait accompli and is not open to discussion. In fact secession is a misnomer; there was no government to secede from then. Independence bounced back to us like a boomerang and we will never let it go again.

 

Mr. Somalia:

That is a big relief for me my friend. We assure you most emphatically that we are on the verge of putting our act together with the help of well wishers and as soon as that is done, our relationship will automatically improve then. You must do your part though. Of late we heard that you are sliding into some sort of anarchy while in contrast we are fast improving. A military Court in Hargeisa has found 17 civilians guilty and sentenced them to death in less than 24 hours. Civilians, Military Court and one day death sentences, smell more than Gelle’s kangaroo Courts in Siad Bare times. Your democracy may be prematurely aging and that could be the beginning of the end. If you were better than us, it may not be for long. We know what anarchy means and we will support you and will not despise you, as you did. We believe what is good for you is good for us.

 

Mr. Somaliland:

Are you able to undertaken any serious discussion about the fate of our two neighboring countries? We are aware that your government will not last more than two months.

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Mr. Somalia:

We are the government for now and whatever we decide will be binding on the future Somali government. But are you sure you represent or speak for all the people of Somaliland. We hear opposition and dissatisfaction all over Somaliland about your meeting with us. If you are a democracy, as you say, I am sure you will be worried about that. On the other hand, if you idolize secession, like tribes, it will be open ended. It will not stop anywhere. Secession here and there on continual basis and you have no moral standing to oppose one over the other. So if I were you, I will not open a Pandora box; you never know what will come out of it. You complain that your elder statesmen made a mistake in 1960. That is an insult to the wisdom of those who fought for your independence and unity. By definition unity is not a mistake, secession and separation are.

 

Mr. Somaliland:

Don’t you worry about that, we are a democracy and in a democracy there is always dissent and dissatisfaction. It is part and parcel of the whole package of the democracy we have chosen. As far as the so called Pandora box is concerned, we opened it only once and we collectively closed it. From your question, however I understand that democracy is an alien concept to you. But we lived it for the last twenty years. This is one more reason why we are different and should call it quits.

 

Mr. Somalia:

I beg to differ with you on this. We are here to capitalize on our commonalities not to dwell upon our differences. It is about time we set the record straight, if you don’t like us, let it be, but you will not get our support then. You will be on your own. I have the feeling that you have missed a lot of golden opportunities before. Don’t you miss this last opportunity too; it will be catastrophic on your future. I honestly believe we should come to some sort of an agreement before a new democratically elected government is in place, for a democracy cannot afford to sit with secessionists. So it is now or never.

 

Mr. Somaliland:

To tell you the truth we like to deal with a democratically elected government who has its people’s mandate than a group of individuals who will not last more than two months. Precisely that is why we waited for 21 years, because we couldn’t know who to talk to.

 

Mr. Somalia:

That is where you go wrong again. Somalia had a President at all times, weak one though and it was easier for you to deal with a weak president than a strong democratically elected President. I am sure you will rue it, if you don’t deal with us now. After two months the curtain will be closed on secession. This is the overtime. Let us decide now before it is too late on a loose federation where you manage all your business in your own unique ways. What is your agenda for this meeting anyway? Your Vice President says he has no idea about your agenda. He adds, “They (committee) will decide something there”. That means, as a government you have never prepared a national agenda and you have a blank cheque with you; don’t you waste it then. We are convinced that Silanyo’s government has changed course for the better and we are responding to that with great anticipation. Silanyo has spent the better part of his adult life in Mogadishu unlike his predecessor who has not even seen Mogadishu. So my friends, welcome to the club again we are sure, united we will stand, divided we will continue to fall.

 

Mr. Somaliland:

We have seen unity, but all we saw was death, destruction and more than 40 years of retardation. Now we know better than emotional nationalism, unity and the like. So my friends let us go to business. The first order of business will be respect for the sovereignty and territorial integrity of our respective governments. Consider Khatumo, Awdal and the like as internal Somaliland problems. This should be the essence of our deliberation here in this eventful meeting.

 

Mr. Somalia:

Hold your horses my friends; let us put our feet on the ground. You have not seceded when you are in the TFG as much as I am. When you are in the Federal Parliament as much as I am; When the Head of Judiciary is from Somaliland. Even in this delegation of ours we have a Somalilander and above all you travel with Somalia passport. If those said people were working with an alien State you should have at least taken away their citizenship from them. Now your best pet is to say we want to secede; not we have already seceded. No government with its right mind have the authority to issue an order of secession, but it can with the help of the legislator order a plebiscite to be taken to test the wishes of the whole or part of its country. My friends, you say something and you do something else. Are we all confused; you said you were better.

 

Omarh1980@hotmail.com

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War murtiyeed uu soo saaray siyaasiga Cali Maxamed Warancadde

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Jul 31, 2012 at 08:01 AM

JAMHUURIYADDA SOMALILAND

 

WAR MURTIYEED

 

SHIEKH SHARIF OO SI QALDAN UGA FAAIIDAYSANAYA

 

SHIRKII DHEX MARAY SOMALILAND IYSOMALIYAO

 

 

 

Wuxuu si cad ugu faafiyey dunida sheikh shariif in wadahadaladii dhexmaray somaliland iyo somalia Nuxurkoodu yahay in dib loo mideeyo labada Dal, arrintan oo ka horimaneysa warkii aynu ka helay Madaxdii inooga qayb gashay shirarkii ina dhex maray inaga iyo somalia. oo isna nuxurkiisu ahaa sidii loo noqon lahaa laba dal oo kala madaxbanaan.

 

Arintan oo khatar ku ah geedi socodkii somaliland ku raadineysay Ictiraafka muddo ka badan labaatan sanno, waxay keeni kartaa in caalamku rumeysto warka uu fidinayo sheikh shariif, oo loo qaato in aynu dib isugu dhiibayno koonfur, iyo hoygii halaagu hore inooga soo maray. sidaana ay mugdi ku gasho Himiladii ummada reer somaliland raadineysay.

 

Waxaa cadaan ah in uu waraaqo u kala diray Caalamka uu ugu sheegayo in uu ku guulaystay in uu ku qanciyo

 

Reer Somaliland in marlabaad uu somaliland ku soo celiyo midnimadii , isagoo dhinaca kalana ugu faa-iideysanaya Olalihiisa siyaasadeed ee uu halganka ugu jiro in marlabaad uu ku soo noqdo Kursiga Madaxtinimada somalia, isagoo olalihiisa gundhig uga dhigaya mar haduu ku guulaystay in somaliland ku soo celinayo xerada Midnimada, inuu xaq u leeyahay inuu marlabaad kursiga ku soo noqdo si uu arrintaasi u dhamays tiro.

 

waxaa u dambeeyey waraaqaha uu caalamka u diray, mid dhawaan u diray Gudoomiyaha Jaamacadda Carabta oo uu uga waramayo guusha uu ka gaadhay wadahadaladii dhex maray somaliland iyo somalia, kuna qanciyey in guushii Midnamada somalia iyo somaliland ay irrida taagan tahay , taasi oo keentay in Gudoomiyaha Jaamacadda Carabtu si lama filaan ah uu ugu dhawaaqo inuu ka degi doono Moqdisha dhawaan, si uu u soo hambalyeeyo Guusha uu sheikh shariif uu ka soo hooyey wada hadaladii dhex maray smaliland iyo somalia, oo sida aan filayo u muuqata wabixin been abuur ah oo sheikh shariif ka faafinayo wada hadaladii dhex maray labada dal .

 

Anigoo filayaa didmadii , iyo shakigii uu ku muujiyey Wasiirka Arrimaha dibadda ee somaliland war saxaafadeedkiisi u dambeeyey ee uu ku cadeeyey inay hakad galinayaan wada hadaladii u socday somaliland iyo somalia, in uu salka ku hayo warbixinaha khatarta ah ee sheikh shariif dunidda ku faafinayo,

 

waxaan jeclahay in aan u soo jeediyo Dowladda somaliland in ay caalamka iyo ummadda reer somalilandba u muujiso in sheikh shariif ka been abuurayo wada hadaladii dhex maray Somaliland iyo Somalia, si aanu shaki u kala dhex gelin Somaliland iyo bulshada Caalamka , isla markaana aan ummadda reer somaliland iyo Dowladda aanu shaki kala dhex dhigin hadalkiisaasu.

 

 

 

ALLAA MAHAD LEH

 

ALI MAHAMED WARANADE

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Dawlada Somaliland Waxaanu Leenahay Wada-hadaladii Bilaabmay Halkoodii Ayaa Laga Sii Dhaqaajinayaa”Madaxwaynaha La Doortay Ee Somaliya (Dhageyso)

 

Muqdisho (Ramaas) Sept 15,2012 – Madaxwaynaha cusub ee loo doortay dalka Somaliya Xasan Sheekh Maxamuud oo maanta bixiyay Wareysigii ugu horeeyay ee warbaahin Af-soomali ah siiyo, ayaa ka hadlay wada-hadaladii Somaliland iyo TFG u bilaabmay.

 

Madaxwayne Xasan Sheekh Maxamuud, oo u waramay laanta Afka Somaliga ee Idaacada VOA ayaa sheegay inay aad iyo aad u danaynayaan inay la fadhiistaan dawlada Somaliland oo ay sii ambo qaadaan wada-hadaladii.

 

Xasan Sheekh Maxamuud, waxa uu sheegay inuu aad iyo aad ugu faraxsan yahay in muddo dheer ka dib Somaliland iyo Somaliya wada hadlaan “Aad iyo aad ayaanu u soo dhawaynaynaa wada-hadaladaasi oo aanu ku faraxsanahay in dhowr iyo labaatan sanadood ka dib la helay fursad lagu wada hadlo Somaliland”ayuu yidhi waxaanu intaa ku daray “Markaa waxaanu leenahay dawlada Somaliland inaanu la fadhiisano aad iyo aad muhiim noogu tahay wada hadaladii bilaabmay, halkoodii ayaana laga sii dhaqaajinayaa oo si fiican ayaa loo dhaqaajinayaa, xanaf iyo xasaasiyad iyo wixii carqalad ku noqonaya ka dhowrno ayaanu doonaynaa iyo dalka midnimadiisa la ilaaliyo”

 

Madaxwaynuhu sidoo kale, waxa uu sheegay in aanay doonayn in Somaliland xoog lagu muquuniyo si ay Somaliya ugu noqoto, balse ay jid kale u marayaan.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

http://www.voasomali.com/content/madaxweynaha-oo-wareysi-gaar-ah-siiyay-voa/1508787.html

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

The new president of Somalia spoke well about the talks between Somalia & Somaliland. He showed maturity and understanding what is at stake. You can read his interview with VOA or listen to it below. Since February Hasan Sheikh Mohamud has addressed the issue of Somalia and Somaliland 3 times and has said the following:

 

1. Inside Story on Aljazeera he said: Somaliland and Somalia will need to renegotiate the 1960 union.

2. Campaign Speech for Presidency he said: He will continue the Somaliland and Somalia talks and will not attempt to use military might or diplomatic pressure

to achieve unity.

3. In the below interview with the VOA he said:

a) He will make sure steer clear from anything that can become a roadblock to these talks.

b) He wants unity to come through negotiation and further talks

c) He introduces the possibility that there may not be a union when he says “ Hadiiba aan midowno”. This is a major departure from the script for a politician

from Somalia.

d) He wants unity that is structured that has a solid foundation and does not want the same kind of unity that happened in 1960 where after years of being

united conflict erupted. Basically he doesn’t want unity just for unity’s sake. Underlining his above point of recognizing there may not be a union.

 

Over all I was very much impressed with his interview.

 

VOA:

Wadahadaladii lala bilaabay Somaliland ma qorshihii hore ee loo dejiyey ayaad raacaysaa mise hindise iyo istratiji cusub ayaad ku qaabilaysaa?

 

Xasan Sheekh Maxamuud: Ilaa iyo hadda inta aan ognahay waxa ay tahay wadahadaladaasi waa bilow. Aad iyo aad ayaan u soo dhoweynaynaa. Aad aan raali uga nahay, ugu faraxsanahay. Waxan leenahay labaatan sano, dhowr iyo labaatan sano ka dib in ay hada bilaabatay fursad lagu wada hadlo Maamulkaa Somaliland ka jira halkaa. Waxaan leenahay Dowlada Somaliland anagu in aan la fadhiisano aad iyo aad wada hadalkii bilawday meeshii uu ka bilawday waa laga dhaqaajinayaa. Si fiican ayaa looga dhaqaajinayaa. Xanaf iyo xasaasiyaad iyo wixii carqalad ku noqon karo oo dhan ayaan ka doonaynaa. Aad iyo aad ayey muhiimad noogu tahay oon in dalka midnimadiisa la helo. Lakiin midnimada ma doonayno in ay caadifad iyo emotions iyo lab la kac ku timaado ma doonayno. Xoog in ay ku timaado ma rabno ama xoog milatari ha ahaado ama xoog dhiblomaasiyeed ha ahaado oo beesha caalamka inta loo adeegsado Somaliland lagu khasbo waxna ma doonayno. Midnimo laga wada hadlay oo maxaan ku idhaahdaayeey rukumo ad adag loo dhigay ayaan rabnaa. Anagu hore ayaan u sii soconaa oo waxyaabaha tiirarka ah ee asaasiga ah ee lagu hishiiyo xitaa waxaan rabaa mustaqbalka in lagu daro manjahka waxbarashada si jiilasha cusub ee Soomaalida ahi ay u ogaadaan wixii lagu midoobay iyo in ay muqadisaad in ay yihiin oo in la ilaaliyo ay tahay. Si aanay u dhicin sodon sano afartan sano kale markaan dowlad ahaanohadiiba aan midowno markaan dowlad ahaano ka dib hadana aanan isigu dhicin oonan u kicin. Lakiin aniga dowladaan madaxda ka ahay ee midnimadu waa noo muhiim waana waxay noo tahay wax aan yacni option kale ama dookh kale oon ahayn dalka in la mideeyo ma qabno. Lakiin hadana sidaas wadadaas aan rabnaa in lagu mideeyee ama wadadii shalay lagu midooboo sodon sano markii mid la ahaa ka dib la isku dilay ma doonayno in dib loo qaado.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

I like this guy ilaahay ha garab galo oo ha ku guuleeyo shaqadisa noolow.

 

[The Sage]

Xaaji Xunjuf;869823 wrote:

c) He introduces the possibility that there may not be a union when he says “ Hadiiba aan midowno”. This is a major departure from the script for a politician from Somalia.

A politican in Mogadishu actually displaying common sense and accepting reality? I guess things really are changing down there.

President Hassan's views are only just indication of the evolving collective conscious in Somalia: that the self determination of Somaliland is something that cannot easily be swayed.

[LANDER]

The Sage;869833 wrote:

A political in Mogadishu actually displaying common sense and accepting reality? I guess things really are changing down there.

President Hassan's views are only just indication of the evolving collective conscious in Somalia: that the self determination of Somaliland is something that cannot easily be swayed.

 

For what its worth I think you guys are clutching at straws and I don't see any major departure in view point between this new comer and other TFG guys who came before. The difference I see is he's more diplomatic and intelligent in his approach and more polished and that is about it. Doesn't mean he will proove to be a credible partner, we don't know that yet. Please don't fall in the trap that plagues most somalis everywhere, they like to run before they crawl and jump to unfounded conclusions. Let's not jump the gun here.

[The Sage]

Noted. However I was making the point was that judging by the few statements already made by the President, it indicates that he will be approaching the issue from a more nuanced and deliberative perspective than his predecessors. What that will ultimately spell for Somalia-Somaliland relations is unknown but it will surely be interesting to watch.

[Carafaat]

Xaaji Xunjuf;869823 wrote:

The new president of Somalia spoke well about the talks between Somalia & Somaliland. He showed maturity and understanding what is at stake. You can read his interview with VOA or listen to it below. Since February Hasan Sheikh Mohamud has addressed the issue of Somalia and Somaliland 3 times and has said the following:

 

1. Inside Story on Aljazeera he said: Somaliland and Somalia will need to renegotiate the 1960 union.

2. Campaign Speech for Presidency he said: He will continue the Somaliland and Somalia talks and will not attempt to use military might or diplomatic pressure

to achieve unity.

3. In the below interview with the VOA he said:

a) He will make sure steer clear from anything that can become a roadblock to these talks.

b) He wants unity to come through negotiation and further talks

c) He introduces the possibility that there may not be a union when he says “ Hadiiba aan midowno”. This is a major departure from the script for a politician

from Somalia.

d) He wants unity that is structured that has a solid foundation and does not want the same kind of unity that happened in 1960 where after years of being

united conflict erupted. Basically he doesn’t want unity just for unity’s sake. Underlining his above point of recognizing there may not be a union.

 

Over all I was very much impressed with his interview.

 

VOA:

Wadahadaladii lala bilaabay Somaliland ma qorshihii hore ee loo dejiyey ayaad raacaysaa mise hindise iyo istratiji cusub ayaad ku qaabilaysaa?

 

Xasan Sheekh Maxamuud: Ilaa iyo hadda inta aan ognahay waxa ay tahay wadahadaladaasi waa bilow. Aad iyo aad ayaan u soo dhoweynaynaa. Aad aan raali uga nahay, ugu faraxsanahay. Waxan leenahay labaatan sano, dhowr iyo labaatan sano ka dib in ay hada bilaabatay fursad lagu wada hadlo Maamulkaa Somaliland ka jira halkaa. Waxaan leenahay Dowlada Somaliland anagu in aan la fadhiisano aad iyo aad wada hadalkii bilawday meeshii uu ka bilawday waa laga dhaqaajinayaa. Si fiican ayaa looga dhaqaajinayaa. Xanaf iyo xasaasiyaad iyo wixii carqalad ku noqon karo oo dhan ayaan ka doonaynaa. Aad iyo aad ayey muhiimad noogu tahay oon in dalka midnimadiisa la helo. Lakiin midnimada ma doonayno in ay caadifad iyo emotions iyo lab la kac ku timaado ma doonayno. Xoog in ay ku timaado ma rabno ama xoog milatari ha ahaado ama xoog dhiblomaasiyeed ha ahaado oo beesha caalamka inta loo adeegsado Somaliland lagu khasbo waxna ma doonayno. Midnimo laga wada hadlay oo maxaan ku idhaahdaayeey rukumo ad adag loo dhigay ayaan rabnaa.

Anagu hore ayaan u sii soconaa oo waxyaabaha tiirarka ah ee asaasiga ah ee lagu hishiiyo xitaa waxaan rabaa mustaqbalka in lagu daro manjahka waxbarashada si jiilasha cusub ee Soomaalida ahi ay u ogaadaan wixii lagu midoobay iyo in ay muqadisaad in ay yihiin oo in la ilaaliyo ay tahay. Si aanay u dhicin sodon sano afartan sano kale markaan dowlad ahaano

hadiiba aan midowno

markaan dowlad ahaano ka dib hadana aanan isigu dhicin oonan u kicin. Lakiin aniga dowladaan madaxda ka ahay ee midnimadu waa noo muhiim waana waxay noo tahay wax aan yacni option kale ama dookh kale oon ahayn dalka in la mideeyo ma qabno. Lakiin hadana sidaas wadadaas aan rabnaa in lagu mideeyee ama wadadii shalay lagu midooboo sodon sano markii mid la ahaa ka dib la isku dilay ma doonayno in dib loo qaado

.

 

The most well thought idea about re-negoitiating the Union and creating a strong fundement for the future generations. Madaxweyne Xasan Sheick Maxamuud si fiican ayuu u oogsanyahay what is at stake, fikirkiisuna si fiican ayuu u diyaar gareysan yajay.

 

Ilaahay ha garab galo oo ha ku guuleeysto shaqada sugisaa. Noolow Madaxweyene, Noolow!

 

Amiin.

[Carafaat]

LANDER;869843 wrote:

For what its worth I think you guys are clutching at straws and I don't see any major departure in view point between this new comer and other TFG guys who came before. The difference I see is he's more diplomatic and intelligent in his approach and more polished and that is about it. Doesn't mean he will proove to be a credible partner, we don't know that yet. Please don't fall in the trap that plagues most somalis everywhere, they like to run before they crawl and jump to unfounded conclusions. Let's not jump the gun here.

Lander, its a real pity that you cant see a diffrence between the vieuwpoints and intentions of Madaxweyne Xasan Sheick Maxamuud and previous TFG leaders. I can assure you there is a clear diffrence in terms of content, vision, tone, intelligence and most of all intention. And that is a good starting point.

 

Waxan ku leeyahay inadeer indhaha iyo degaha furo, wakhtigii wuu is bedelee.

 

 

P.S. I shall await Mintid Farayare's reaction as well. For sure he most be shocked by this departure from previous

standpoints.