The Somalia-Somaliland talks Thread

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Interview with Xirsi Xaaji Cali Somalilands chief of cabinet

 

 

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Things are going the right direction...sidaa u wada, this week we await the Sharif-Siiraanyo meeting at Dubai.

 

Some however are delusional as ever

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The Outcome of the TFG Somaliland talks in UK BY The Northern Somalia Unionist Movement

 

The Outcome of the TFG Somaliland talks in UK

BY The Northern Somalia Unionist Movement

Date:25 June 2012

The outcome of the meeting held in London (20-21 June) between the TFG and the secessionist enclave going by the name of Somaliland was supposed to have been grounded on the previous decisions and declarations of previous conferences on Somalia: First was the London conference on Somalia in February 2012 which called for intra Somalia talks on the secession issue. This was followed by the Second Istanbul Conference on Somalia (31st May and 1st June 2012) which, in supporting these talks, explicitly “reaffirmed its respect for the sovereignty, territorial integrity, political independence and unity of Somalia”, a clear message to the separatists that their issue with Somalia could only be dealt within the framework of its unity and territorial integrity. This conference declaration constitutes the base line on which the outcome of the London meeting can be judged how far it met or deviated from it . By all accounts, the secessionists have much to be pleased about- at least for now.

Admittedly, nothing substantive was discussed at this first round meeting in London which was basically a preparatory one meant to pave the way for future substantive ones. Unlike normal negotiating meetings between adversaries, this meeting was conducted without a formal agenda, perhaps at the best of the host government and other outsiders playing a role in the meeting behind the scenes. Presumably, the aim was to create a cordial climate to expedite the ensuing substantive talks. All the same, any first meeting between the delegates of the government of the whole of Somalia (including Somaliland) and those from the entity by the name of Somaliland has procedural implication that can not be put under the carpet as a reward for Somaliland to retreat from its hitherto intransigent position and agree to attend the meeting. It was therefore incumbent upon the TFG delegation to raise and settle the question of who the Somaliland delegation represent at the meeting given the divide on the secession issue in the north west region between on the one hand the four unionist clans unrepresented at the meeting and on the other hand the one clan-based secessionist enclave.

This procedural prerequisite was brushed aside not by oversight but at the behest of some quarters- if not the host country, then perhaps on President Sheikh Shariif’s instructions as the solo manager of the negotiations, and as one the secessionists had been lobbying in secret clandestine meetings, the last in Dubai. His appointment of the minister of the interior and national security as the leader of his delegation, a man who made no secret in the past of his support for Somaliland’s independence, is indicative of the presidents receptiveness to the secessionists overtures. Seen in this regard, the outcome of the London meeting was predictable.

At the end of the two-days meeting, the two parties have claimed satisfaction with its outcome for their different reasons and perspectives. Somaliland claims victory from the meeting since their position that they represent the people of north west Somalia (Somaliland) was implicitly accepted to the extent that it was not questioned or challenged. Indeed, their claim sounds credible since there is no record from the meeting, oral or written, that contradicts this claim. For their part, the TFG delegation consider the London meeting as a victory for Somalia on the grounds that the secessionists, who until now had been deluding themselves that they can get what they want from the international community over the heads of successive moribund transitional Somali governments, were finally forced to bow to the inevitable and sit down with it, as the internationally recognised government for the whole of Somalia, including their enclave. Be that as it may, the claim of victory by the TFG delegation is a disingenuous and empty talk aimed at pulling wool over the eyes of Somali people.

Needless to say, this first round of these proposed talks is a triumph for the secessionists given to them on a plate by the TFG delegation. It represents a timely and morale boosting gain which they see as irreversible in future meetings and negotiations. This is a sell-out of the other four unionist clans, their regions and regional administrations in north west Somalia, comprising the Khaatumo State of Somalia, Mahkhir State and Awdal State.

The secessionists rightly see President Sheikh Shariif, now in his last days in office but also entertaining re-election and very much in need of votes at any cost, as the one most receptive to their demands. It is in this regard that a meeting between pSheikh Shariif and the leader of Somaliland, Siilaanyo, is scheduled to take place soon in the UAE. Officially, they are supposed to endorse the outcome of the London meeting and agree on its continuation. But more importantly for both sides is what they can offer each other. Siilaanyo is likely to offer Sheikh Shariif the votes of his *** deputies in Mogadishu in return for outright support for Somaliland’s case while he is still in office. While it is difficult to surmise what he can offer, suffice to say that Sheikh Shairiif will jump at any advantageous offer and return the favour even if that means riding roughshod over the laws of the land or trading off its unity.

It is ironic that at a time when the international community is supportive of Somalia’s unity and territorial integrity, the greatest dangers to the union are no longer the secessionists now on their last leg but some opportunist leaders of Somalia who may sacrifice it for their own selfish personal political interests. Given that these talks are of such existentialist importance to Somalia’s unity, it is all the more important that they be left to the next Somali government. We hope Sheikh Shariif and his government would heed this advice..

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Madaxweyne Siilaanyo oo berry u Ambabaxaya magaaladda Dubai ee Dalka isu-taga Imaaraadka Carabta halkaas oo ay ku kulmi doonaan Sh Shariifka Somaliya

 

Hargeysa(Waaheen) Madaxweynaha Somaliland Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud Siilaanyo ayaa si rasmi ah berry ugu Duuli doona Dalka Isu-taga Imaaaradka Carabta gaar ahaan magaaladda Dubai oo ay isaga iyo Sh Shariif ku yeelan doonaan wadahadalo rasmi ah oo lagu sii Ambaqaadayo Go’aamaddii ka soo baxay shirkii Wasiiradda labada Dal ee Somaliland iyo Somaliya.

Ilaa hada si rasmi ah looma oga cida ku wehelin doonta Safarkiisa uu ku tagayo Dubai hase yeeshee waxa la hadal hayaa koox Wasiiro ah iyo Madaxda Axsaabta kale inay u sii raaci doonaan, iyadoo ay sii joogaan Dalkaasi shanti xubnood eek a soo qayb qaadatay shirkii Ingiriiska.

Wadahadalada ayaa la filayaa isla saadanbeba inay si rasmi ah u furmi doonaan, iyadoo Madaxweyne Sh Shariifna ka duuli doono isla berry Dalka Itoobiya oo uu ku sugan yahay.

Wixii warar ah eek a soo kordhana goor dhaw la soco

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unionists hahahaaaa waar nin aan quusan naftiisaa quusa...only pirates so concerned,mogadishu don't give a damn about unity!

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Daahir Rayaale Kaahin oo si rasmi ah u taageeray wadahadalada Somaliland iyo Somaliya Madaxweyne Siilaanyana u raacaya Shirka DUBAI

 

Hargeysa(Waaheen) Guddoomiyaha Xisbiga Mucaaradka ah ee UDUB, isla markaana muddo badan Madaxweyne ka soo ahaa Somaliland Daahir Rayaale Kaahin ayaa si rasmi ah u aqbalay wadahadalada Somaliland iyo Somaliya u furmay oo uu hore u Diiday.

Sida ay Ilo wareedyo Waaheen u waramay sheegayaan Daahir Rayaale Kaahin waxa uu Madaxweyne Siilaanyo ka Aqbalay Codsi mar kale uga yimid Xukuumaddiisa oo ah inuu shirkasi taageero, isagoo isla barri-na u raaci doona Safarkiisa Dubai ee uu kulamada kula yeelanayo Madaxweyne Sh Shariifka Somaliya.

Ma cada Daahir Rayaale Kaahin in uu kala qayb qaadan doona wadahadalada maadaama labada Madaxweyne oo kali ahi doorkan kulmayaan, hase yeeshee sida ay wararku sheegayaan waxa uu ka mid yahay Daahir Rayaale Kaahin xubnaha weftiga Madaxweyne Siilaanyo ku whelinaya safarkiisa.

Sidoo kale waxay wararku sheegayaan in ay weftigaasi xubno ka noqon doonaan Guddoomiyaha Xisbiga Kulmiye Muuse Biixi Cabdi iyo Wasiirka Wasaaradda Gaashaandhiga Axmed X Cali Cadami, halka ay xubnihii kale ee shanta ahaa wali ku sugayaan Magaaladda Dubai

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Former President daahir rayaale kahin and President Ahmed Muhammad Siilaanyo going to UAE tomorrow together. Along with Kulmiye chairman Muse Bihi and Somaliland defense Minister Axmed Xaaji Cali Cadmi.

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Former President daahir rayaale kahin and President Ahmed Muhammad Siilaanyo going to UAE tomorrow together. Along with Kulmiye chairman Muse Bihi and Somaliland defense Minister Axmed Xaaji Cali Cadmi

 

The prep work has been done , most interesting of which was how Riyaale was nicely inserted into the leadership role of UDUB party

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War Deg-deg ah: Madaxweyne Siilaanyo Oo Saaka u Baxay Imaaraadka Carabta Oo la kulmi doona Sheekh Shariif Iyo Weftigii Somaliland Ee Ka Qayb Galay Shirka London Oo dalkaasi Gaadhay

 

“Labadda madaxweyne ee Somaliland iyo Somalia oo khamiista ku kulmaya dalka Imaaraadka Carabta iyo aragtiyo aad u kala fog oo ay kala aaminsan yihiin”

 

Hargeysa (GNS)- Madaxweynaha Somaliland Axmed Maxamed Maxamuud (Siilaanyo) iyo wefti uu hogaaminayo oo uu ku jirto madaxweynihii hore ee Somaliland Daahir Rayaale Kaahin, ayaa Saaka dalka ka ambabaxay, Waftigan oo ka Duulaya Madaarka Berbera ayaa ka qayb gali doonaan kulan ay labada madaxweyne ku yeelanayaan wadanka Imaaraadka Carabta, kaasi oo lagaga wada hadli doono mustaqbalka labada wadan ee Somaliland iyo Somaliya.

Wada hadaladan oo ah wejigii labaad oo kulamada labada dhinac, ayaa la filayaa in ay noqdaan qaar adag oo dhinac walba uu ku soo bandhi doono aragtidiisa siyaasadeed, taasi oo wejigii koowaad ee shirkan lagu soo gabo gabeeyey magalada London, iyada oo ay ka soo baxeen qodobo aan si toos ah u taabanayn qadiyada ay wateen labada dal.

Shirka ay yeelanayaan labada Madaxweyne oo ay ka timid qodobadii ka soo baxay shirkii dhawaan ka qabsoomay wadanka Ingiriiska, waxaana la filayaa in maalinta Khamiista uu dhaco kulanka dhex maraya labada geesood.

Weftiga ka socda Somaliland ayaa shirka ku soo bandhigaya sida ay shacabkooddu uga go’antahay gooni isku taagga iyo madaxbanaanidoodda, halka madaxweyne sheekh shariifna uu ku doodayo in aanay marnaba kala gu’karin dalkii hore loo odhan jiray Somalia, waana qodobka ugu adag ee laga doodi doono, kaas oo laga yaabo inay midkoobna ka soo dabci karin qadiyadoodda.

 

Xubnaha Weftigii Somaliland uga qayb Galay Shirkii London Oo Imaaraadka Ku Sugan, Madaxweyne Shariif-ka Soomaaliya oo dalkaasi gaadhay iyo Madaxweynaha Somaliland oo la filayo in uu maanta u kicitimo Dubai, iyadoo loo soo dirayo diyaarad khaas ah oo uu ku taggo dalkaasi, si labadda madaxweyne ay maalinimadda khamiista ugu kulmaan imaaraadka,maadaama oo uu hore usii tagay madaxweyne sheekh SHariif.

Sidoo kale, Xubnaha Weftigii Somaliland u qayb galay shirkii wada hadalada Somaliland iyo Somaliya ayaa maalintii Isniintii ka soo kicitimay xarunta Dalka Ingiriiska ee London oo uu ka dhacay shirkii hordhaca u ahaa wada hadalada Somaliland iyo Somalia.

 

Xubnaha weftigan oo ka koobnaa 5 xubnood oo kala ah Wasiirka Wasaaradda Arrimaha Dibada Somalialnd Dr. Maxamed C/laahi Cumar, Wasiirka Madaxtooyada Xirsi Cali X. Xasan, Wasiirka Arrimaha Bulshada iyo Shaqaalaha Maxamuud Maxamed Barre (Garaad), Guddoomiyaha Xisbiga Mucaaridka ah ee UCID Faysal Cali Waraabe iyo Guddoomiye ku xigeenka koowaad ee golaha wakiilada Baashe Maxamed Faarax.

 

Weftigan oo hore uga soo qayb galay shirkii hordhaca u ahaa wada hadalada Somaliland iyo Somaliya ayaa waxa la filayaa in ay goob joog ka ahaadaan shirka ay iskugu imanayaan labada madaxweyne.

Dhinaca Kale wefti uu hogaaminayo Madaxweynaha dawladda taagta daran ee Somaliya Sh. Shariif Sh. Axmed oo uu weheliyo Wasiirkiisa arrimaha dibada Cabdilaahi X. Xasan ayaa ka ambabaxay maalintii Isniin-tii magaalada Muqdisho, safar shaqana ku tagay dalka Itoobiya, halkaas oo shir ay ku yeesheen Sheekh Shariif iyo Ra’isal wasaaraha Itoobiya Meles Sanawi, waxaana uu shalay ka soo anbabaxay Itoobiya, isagoo hadda ku sugan dalka Imaaraadka Carabta.

 

Si kastaba ha ahaatee, shirkan la filayo in maalinta Khamiista uu ka dhaco wadanka Imaaraadka Carabta ayaa waxa uu noqonayaa wejigii labaad ee wada hadalada Somaliland iyo Somaliya, taasi oo ajandayaasha labada dhinac wataaan aanay u muuqdaan qaar aan lahayn indho uu dhinacba dhinaca kale uga tanaasuli karo, maadaama oo dhinaca Somaliland qadiyadeedu ka soo go’day shacab, oo aan marnaba yeeli karin midnimo dambe, halka Dawladda taagta daran ee Sh. Shariif-na aanay u ekayn mid go’aankeedu u muuqdo inay Somaliland siiyaan aqoonsi buuxa.

 

Haseyeeshee, kulankan ay labadda dhinac yeelanayaan ayaa waxa dibadda ka riixaya dawladda Ingiriiska,kuwaas oo horena guddiddii gogol xaadhka ee ugu horeeyey ee labadda geesood ku yeeshaan ay dawladda Ingiriisku ay gogosha u dhigeen, kaas oo ay ka soo baxeen sideed qodob oo isku afgarteen inay hordhac u noqotay kulanka labadda madaxweyne.

 

Ilaa hadda lama garan karo ujeedadda ay dawladda Ingiriisku u dadajinayso wada hadal dhexmara Somaliland iyo Somalia, iyadoo muddo konton maalmood u hadhsan tahay dawladda sheekh shariif,isla markaana isbedel ku dhici karo maamulka sheekh sharii.f maadaama oo doorasho madaxweyne ay gali doonaan dalkaasi Somalia August 20keedda ee isla sanadkan.

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Somaliland President flies to Dubai to meet with Sheikh Sharif

 

HARGEISA — Somaliland President Ahmed M. Silanyo is set to meet with his Somali counterpart Sheikh Sharif Ahmed in Dubai for the first ever bilateral talks in twenty-one years.

 

Mr. Silanyo on Wednesday morning left the capital, Hargeisa, for the seaport town of Berbera where he is set to depart for Dubai, United Arab Emirates for this landmark discussion.

 

President Sharif has already arrived in the Gulf nation on Tuesday for talks with key allies including the government of the Emirates on number of issues. He was reportedly seeking financial and technical support for the war against maritime piracy during the counter-piracy conference at Al Jawhara Gardens Hotel in Jumeirah.

 

Silanyo and Sharif are set to meet on the sidelines of the conference hosted by the government of the UAE and global ports operator, DP World.

 

The development comes days after negotiators from both sides agreed to an 8-point plan that paved the way for substantive talks. The meeting at Chevening House on 20-21 June was co-hosted by the UK government, EU and Norway at the request of Somali leaders. The agreement was dubbed the Chevening House Declaration and it calls for the two presidents to meet.

 

The British Foreign Secretary William Hague said his government “will work with international partners to support their efforts as they continue this important and historic dialogue,” in a statement on his website. The international community and regional players including Ethiopia and Djibouti have welcomed the new chapter between Hargeisa and Mogadishu.

 

Even though this historical and much-waited talks are said to be closer, few are holding their breath for a quick and satisfactory outcome. The two sides have two opposite demands and tough preconditions. Somaliland said it will not budge nor compromise on its sovereignty and statehood. It clearly stated that it wants to enter into a dialogue with the transitional government of Sheikh Sharif as two equal states. Somalia on its side wants to satisfy Somaliland to rejoin Somalia under a federal system.

 

There is growing scepticism among the Somaliland public that the two leaders will find a common ground. Some expressed concern about the host saying that they do not regard the UAE as a neutral country but one that will pledge its full support for most Arab League member nations. According to sources close to President Sharif, the UAE wants to propose its style form of government or federations.

 

Before President Silanyo left Hargeisa all main roads were blocked and sources close to him confirmed to Somalilandpress that he was on his way to Dubai.

 

Somaliland and Somalia merged into what was widely known as the Somali Republic 52 years ago from this week. Half a century later they are still trying to find a solution for the divided Somali people.

 

The declaration in Chevening House states:

 

The Participants:

 

Agreed that the talks would take place between two sides – the TFG (or its replacement) and Somaliland, in accordance with paragraph 6 of the London Conference Communiqué and paragraph 10 of the Istanbul II Conference Communiqué;

Noted the need to adopt a common approach to avoid anything that would undermine the continuation of the talks as defined above;

Committed to the continuation of the talks and called on the two presidents to meet to review progress as soon as possible;

Called on the international community to continue to facilitate the talks, including providing the two sides with external experts on legal, economic and security matters;

Agreed to share experience on working more effectively with the international community on the use of development and humanitarian assistance for the people of both sides and called for the international community to increase that assistance;

Agreed to cooperate in the fight against terrorism, extremism and serious crimes;

Agreed to cooperate in the fight against piracy at sea and on land, maritime crime, illegal fishing and toxic dumping; and

Reiterated their support for ending the Transition in Somalia.

Somalilandpress

 

June 27, 2012

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Madaxweyne Siilaanyo iyo Wefti uu Hoggaaminayo oo u kicitimay Imaaraadka carabta

 

June 27th, 2012

 

HARGEYSA (Somaliland.Org)- Madaxweynaha Somaliland iyo Wefti balaadhan oo uu hogaaminayo ayaa maanta socdaal ugu kicitamay Dalka Isutagga imaaraatka Carabta, iyagoo halkaa kaga qayb geli doona wejigii labaad ee wadahadalada Somaliland ay kula xaajoonayso dalka Somalia oo ay xornimadeeda kala soo noqotay 21 sanadood ka hor.

 

Madaxweynaha iyo weftigiisa oo gaadhay Magaalada Berbera ayaa waxaa halkaas si weyn ugu soo dhoweeyay maamulka Gobolka iyo ka degmada oo ay weheliyaan dadweynaha degmadaasi, halka sidoo kalena dhamaan deegaanada u dhexeeya magaalooyinka Hargaysa iyo Berbera ay dadweynahu weftiga madaxweynaha ku qaabilayeen niyad sami ay ku muujinayeen kalsoonidooda ku wajahan siday uga faraxsan yihiin guulaha ay dawlada Somaliland ka gaadhay kulamada iyo wadahadalada socda ee u dhexeeya Somaliland iyo Somalia, iyagoo sidoo kale dadweynuhu ka rajaynaya in natiijooyinka wadahadaladu noqdaan kuwo ka midho dhaliya aqoonsi ay Somaliland ka hesho beesha caalamka.

 

Madaxweynaha waxaa socdaalkiisan ku wehelinaya Marwada koowaad ee dalka Somaliland Marwo Aamina Sh Maxamed Jirde, Gudoomiyaha xisbiga Mucaaradka ah ee UDUB Ahna Madaxweynahii hore ee Somaliland Md. Daahir Rayaale Kaahin iyo marwadiisa Hudda Barkhad, Gudoomiyaha Xisbiga Tallada Haya ee Kulmiye Md. Muuse Biixi Cabdi, Wasiirka Gaashaandhiga Md. Axmed Xaaji Cali Cadami, Afhayeenka Madaxtooyada Cabdilaahi Maxamed Daahir (Cukuse) iyo xoghayaha gaarka ah ee Madaxweynaha.

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Today is the big day!

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Buubaa: Dano gaar ah ayaa laga leeyahay wada hadalada DKMG iyo Somaliland

 

SHABELLE MEDIA NETWORK JUNE 28, 2012

 

Muqdisho: (Sh. M. Network) Ismaaciil Hure Buubaa oo ka mid ah Siyaasiyiinta Soomaaliyeed ee xilalka kala duwan kasoo qabtay Dowladihii soo maray dalka oo la hadlay Idaacadda Shabelle ayaa waxa uu sheegay in wada hadalka u bilowday Dowladda KMG ah iyo Maamulka Somaliland uu yahay mid wanaagsan, balse waxa uu sheegay in labada dhinacba ay wataan dano u gaar ah.

 

Mas’uulkaani ayaa waxa uu sheegay inaysan wax xun aheyn inay wada hadalaan Somaliland iyo Dowladda KMG ah, hase ahaatee u jeeddooyinka labada dhinaca ay tahay in Somalilanna ay go’do, Madaxda Dowladdana ay doonayaan in doorashada ay ku kasbadaan dad badan oo ay saldhig kaga dhigayaan wada hadallada ay wada qaateen labada dhinac sida uu hadalka u dhigay.

 

Ismaaciil Hure Buubaa ayaa waxa uu sheegay in xilligaani aysan habooneyn inay wada hadlaan Somaliland iyo Dowladda KMG ah, hase ahaatee loo baahnaa in la sugi Dowladda cusub ee ka dhalan doonto Soomaaliya, maadaama Dowladdaani waqtigeeda uu sii dhamaanayo.

 

Hadalkaani ayaa kusoo aadaya xilli Madaxweynaha Maamulka Somaliland shalay uu gaaray Magaalada Dubia ee dalka Isutagga Imaaraadka Carabta si uu kullamo ula qaato Madaxweynaha Dowladda KMG ah Mudane Sheekh Shariif Sheekh Axmed oo ku sugan dalkaasi.

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