The Somalia-Somaliland talks Thread

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

labbadi qodob eh is dhex galka bulshada and the airspace control.. are the two most contentious issue wa hada wa labbadi qodob eeh laga wada hadlay eeh wax laga heshhiiyey  even those two qodob ayaa lugu heshiin wayey, adna wax kalaad sheegeysa

[Arafaat]

Somalia hawada wexe la wareegtay almost 8 or 9 years ago, and it shows that Kulmiye in all those years only raises and polities the issue  only few months before elections. The same thin for mobility, it was Kulmiye that gave the green light to unionist to return, surely you can’t belief they are sincere or serieus. 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

What u talking about unionist return what does that even mean . Yes kulmiye should have never signed an agreement with the bunker when it Came to airspace they should have insisted that it should be controlled from Nairobi as it was done before 

[Arafaat]

2 hours ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

What u talking about unionist return what does that even mean . Yes kulmiye should have never signed an agreement with the bunker when it Came to airspace they should have insisted that it should be controlled from Nairobi as it was done before 

Not only was the agreement signed 12 years ago, it took years to transfer the controls to Somalia and they been managing the airspace fully since 2017. This so called protest and pushing back is theatrics that could have made sense 7 years go, but now it only shows how pathetic and desperate things are.  

 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Yes but how can u blame Kulmiye if the walanweyns didnt honer the deal i mean are u crazy what could siilaanyo possibly do start dacwo, they made a mistake they should have never had any sort of talks with walanweyn. you cant blame everything to Somaliland that is unfair .. heshiis ba la galay walanweynta diidnt honer u should call them out

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Somali Prime Minister accuses Ethiopia of sabotaging Somalia-Somaliland talks

Tuesday March 5, 2024

Mogadishu (HOL) - Somali Prime Minister Hamse Abdi Barre has accused Ethiopia of being determined to undermine the Somali government's efforts to continue talks with the breakaway region of Somaliland.

Speaking in Mogadishu on Tuesday, Barre stated that the Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) signed in Addis Ababa on January 1 betrayed Somaliland and emphasized that the Somali government has shown great patience with Ethiopia.
 

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"We have endeavoured to be patient as much as possible. Ethiopian troops are in our country, yet we haven't asked them to leave. Their ambassador remains here, and we haven't expelled him. Their planes continue to arrive, and we haven't barred them. We seek to maintain the interests of our people in harmony and good neighbourliness. We still hold hope that they will withdraw from the so-called MoU agreement," said the Prime Minister.

Barre has called on Somaliland leaders to return to the negotiating table.

In the last week of December last year, Somalia and the breakaway region of Somaliland agreed to resume dialogue to address outstanding issues after enduring political tensions and years of deadlock.

The agreement, reached after two days of talks mediated by Djibouti President Ismail Omar Guelleh, marked the first of its kind since 2020 when similar negotiations stalled.

Following the Djibouti talks, Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed invited Somaliland President Muse Bihi to Addis Ababa to sign a memorandum of understanding with Somaliland on January 1, granting Ethiopia access to the sea.

Somalia has stated that there is no room for mediation in the dispute with Ethiopia unless Addis Ababa cancels its controversial deal with the breakaway region of Somaliland.

[Arafaat]

3 hours ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

Yes but how can u blame Kulmiye if the walanweyns didnt honer the deal i mean are u crazy what could siilaanyo possibly do start dacwo, they made a mistake they should have never had any sort of talks with walanweyn. you cant blame everything to Somaliland that is unfair .. heshiis ba la galay walanweynta diidnt honer u should call them out

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Timing is important, I am not blaming the people of Somaliland but I am blaming it’s regime that was elected for 5 years, now already in its 7th year, was elected for a duration of time to realize whatever politics, even if was to escalate issue or take any meaningful action. Same thing for so called Aqoonsi, for years the leadership hasn’t done anything significant in that direction. 

Its just not creditable as they were to busy in that time to robbing the place and using the government as a personal cash cow to fill the pockets of few and use the government as leverage for personal business deals in the last 6 years. And when they mandate (time given in power) has ended suddenly they play any populistic card to distract people from their actions and failed politics of the last 6 years, bombing civilians in las anod, losing the entire region and on top of that destroying the army. And now distracting people with air traffic control, SL getting aqoonsi, and deflecting with the boogie man of Somalia. 

Please Spare us the theatrics, and don’t think for a second that people’s silence all these years was due to ignorance, but rather of one patience and that seems to have come to an end now given the pressure suddenly one is feeling to produce daily new distractions and detractions. And no Ethiopian flag on the coast, electoral delays and extension, or renewed conflict will change any of the lost time, lost opportunities, it will only lead to greater embarrassment, greater failures and eventually a dead end road. 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

First of all ur blaming the Somaliland government because the koonfurians couldnt keep their word ., they signed something they backtrackted from it.. the Somaliland government is only to blame why it didnt confront it or didnt had a plan b , the fact that u dont even condemn the bunker for such theft and dishonesty is really astonishing. You can blame the Somaliland government for mishandling the laascanood conflict even for arresting journalist and what not. But u cant really blame them for being honest and went to these talks with an honest mindset  to come to an agreeement the only tangible agreement the two agreed on was the airspace and they didnt even honer that.  

 

Yes the Somaliland government has no real Foreign policy  or written foreign policy not cigaal had this not rayaale siilanayo biixi all the same.  Rayaale albbaada AU bu yara qar qaraacay but after the fact finding mission dhag dembe looma taagin.   Siilaanyo nothing much shefield and cardif ba Somaliland aqoonsaday and Birmingham and Bristiol but these things are Symbolic really.. Biixi made some good steps established formal ties with  Taiwan. And now the whole sea for recognition if he pulls it off history will remember him as the greatest president of Somaliland ever . if he manages to Bring one country to recognise Somaliland its done  just one he  then wuxu jabiiye deyr aad u adag oo 33 sannoh loo haraadsana lets see if he can pull it off , i am not sure 50 50   haday itoobiya ku dhiirato aqoonsiga Somaliland allot of other African states ba ku xiga  we will eventually be like polariso and kosovo    the bunker claiming Somaliland but with allot of other countries recognising Somaliland .. Lets see if that happens the next ten years

 

[Arafaat]

You don’t get it, do you. Yes Somalia didn’t abide by its own agreement, but Somaliland government had more then 7 years to raise the issue. The fact that they are raising it now, when their mandate has ended and should be preparing for elections, shows it wasn’t important to them in the first place and now using populism to distract the public with this and any other issues they can throw at the public for distraction purposes, while they should be preparing for elections as their mandate(yes time) for the job has come to an end. 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

34 minutes ago, Arafaat said:

You don’t get it, do you. Yes Somalia didn’t abide by its own agreement, but Somaliland government had more then 7 years to raise the issue. The fact that they are raising it now, when their mandate has ended and should be preparing for elections, shows it wasn’t important to them in the first place and now using populism to distract the public with this and any other issues they can throw at the public for distraction purposes, while they should be preparing for elections as their mandate(yes time) for the job has come to an end. 

 

not everything is about elections and  demcoracy we are talking about the nations interests. and u wanne take us back to party politics i never saw u as a person who is interested in the  SL party politics who have no ideology differences Ciiro and Bixi are the same the same guys in bixiis team are also on ciiros team and u expect change  Xilhibaan wabeeye a top chief of wadani was a minister in Siilaanyo xamarji top chief of wadani is an ex kulmiye governor For Hargeisa , Xirsi was the hidden prime minister of kulmiye  chairperson of wadani . I mean what are u expecting . the reason why the SL goverment didint adress it was because farmaajo was the leader there is no point he hates Somaliland he isnt going to abide by the rule of law what can the SL goverment possibly do what would u have done farmaajo president of the bunker he says hawada aniga iska leh aabahay baan ka dhexlay iyo ayeeday doonbiro  aniga iska leh hawada gaalkuna wa ii seexeey oke what would u have done ur mr bixii ur in hargeisa just elected u start ur fist year in 2018 bal maxaad samaayn lahayd. But good that u agree tha tthe walanweyn didnt keep their word

 

 

[Arafaat]

Well I am still not in to party politics and never said things would improve with Wadani, but one has agreed to rules of the game and Kulmiye wants to change the rules of the game, and refusing to organise elections and wants to hold on to power. And we can see how power has corrupted every fiber of Somaliland society 

[Arafaat]

15 hours ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

Somali Prime Minister accuses Ethiopia of sabotaging Somalia-Somaliland talks

Tuesday March 5, 2024

Mogadishu (HOL) - Somali Prime Minister Hamse Abdi Barre has accused Ethiopia of being determined to undermine the Somali government's efforts to continue talks with the breakaway region of Somaliland.

Speaking in Mogadishu on Tuesday, Barre stated that the Memorandum of Understanding (MoU) signed in Addis Ababa on January 1 betrayed Somaliland and emphasized that the Somali government has shown great patience with Ethiopia.
 

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"We have endeavoured to be patient as much as possible. Ethiopian troops are in our country, yet we haven't asked them to leave. Their ambassador remains here, and we haven't expelled him. Their planes continue to arrive, and we haven't barred them. We seek to maintain the interests of our people in harmony and good neighbourliness. We still hold hope that they will withdraw from the so-called MoU agreement," said the Prime Minister.

Barre has called on Somaliland leaders to return to the negotiating table.

In the last week of December last year, Somalia and the breakaway region of Somaliland agreed to resume dialogue to address outstanding issues after enduring political tensions and years of deadlock.

The agreement, reached after two days of talks mediated by Djibouti President Ismail Omar Guelleh, marked the first of its kind since 2020 when similar negotiations stalled.

Following the Djibouti talks, Ethiopian Prime Minister Abiy Ahmed invited Somaliland President Muse Bihi to Addis Ababa to sign a memorandum of understanding with Somaliland on January 1, granting Ethiopia access to the sea.

Somalia has stated that there is no room for mediation in the dispute with Ethiopia unless Addis Ababa cancels its controversial deal with the breakaway region of Somaliland.

Somalia finally understands that Ethiopia was sabotaging the talks, as there was really a momentum for the talks last year. 

 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQ_pa6fqbW

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

talka have failed betweeen sl and the bunker

[Che -Guevara]

1 hour ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

talka have failed betweeen sl and the bunker

There were talks?