The Somalia-Somaliland talks Thread

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

 

ina kahin speaks

 

[Che -Guevara]

Can anyone confirm this?

 

[Che -Guevara]

 

[Che -Guevara]

𝑻𝒉𝒆 𝑬𝒕𝒉𝒊𝒐𝒑𝒊𝒂 𝑩𝒓𝒐𝒂𝒅𝒄𝒂𝒔𝒕𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝑪𝒐𝒓𝒑𝒐𝒓𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝒂𝒓𝒕𝒊𝒄𝒖𝒍𝒂𝒕𝒆𝒅 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒇𝒐𝒍𝒍𝒐𝒘𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒊𝒏 𝒂𝒏 𝒊𝒏-𝒅𝒆𝒑𝒕𝒉 𝒂𝒏𝒂𝒍𝒚𝒔𝒊𝒔: Article 3 of the 1933 Montevideo Agreement emphasizes a fundamental diplomatic principle: 𝐚 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐭𝐞'𝐬 𝐝𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐠𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐫 𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐲 𝐩𝐨𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐥 𝐫𝐞𝐜𝐨𝐠𝐧𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐢𝐬 𝐞𝐱𝐜𝐥𝐮𝐬𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐥𝐲 𝐢𝐭𝐬 𝐨𝐰𝐧, 𝐟𝐫𝐞𝐞 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐞𝐱𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐢𝐧𝐟𝐥𝐮𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞. This principle, which safeguards the inherent sovereignty of the recognition process, serves as the cornerstone of the Ethiopia-Somaliland agreement. It ensures that the determination of their diplomatic relations is solely the prerogative of the signatories, emphasizing autonomy and mutual benefit. In upholding this diplomatic ethos, Ethiopia and Somaliland affirm their commitment to a relationship built on mutual respect, sovereignty, and long-term prosperity.

 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

1 hour ago, Che -Guevara said:

Can anyone confirm this?

 

yes it is true how ever it didnt happen inside Somaliland but outside its borders on the ethiopian side  and according to my sources there is only one fatality  the other one is badly injured. i am also told that it wasnt the ENDF but liyoo not that , that matters but just to be accurate. 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

10 minutes ago, Che -Guevara said:

𝑻𝒉𝒆 𝑬𝒕𝒉𝒊𝒐𝒑𝒊𝒂 𝑩𝒓𝒐𝒂𝒅𝒄𝒂𝒔𝒕𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝑪𝒐𝒓𝒑𝒐𝒓𝒂𝒕𝒊𝒐𝒏 𝒂𝒓𝒕𝒊𝒄𝒖𝒍𝒂𝒕𝒆𝒅 𝒕𝒉𝒆 𝒇𝒐𝒍𝒍𝒐𝒘𝒊𝒏𝒈 𝒊𝒏 𝒂𝒏 𝒊𝒏-𝒅𝒆𝒑𝒕𝒉 𝒂𝒏𝒂𝒍𝒚𝒔𝒊𝒔: Article 3 of the 1933 Montevideo Agreement emphasizes a fundamental diplomatic principle: 𝐚 𝐬𝐭𝐚𝐭𝐞'𝐬 𝐝𝐞𝐜𝐢𝐬𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐭𝐨 𝐠𝐫𝐚𝐧𝐭 𝐨𝐫 𝐝𝐞𝐧𝐲 𝐩𝐨𝐥𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐜𝐚𝐥 𝐫𝐞𝐜𝐨𝐠𝐧𝐢𝐭𝐢𝐨𝐧 𝐢𝐬 𝐞𝐱𝐜𝐥𝐮𝐬𝐢𝐯𝐞𝐥𝐲 𝐢𝐭𝐬 𝐨𝐰𝐧, 𝐟𝐫𝐞𝐞 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐞𝐱𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐢𝐧𝐟𝐥𝐮𝐞𝐧𝐜𝐞. This principle, which safeguards the inherent sovereignty of the recognition process, serves as the cornerstone of the Ethiopia-Somaliland agreement. It ensures that the determination of their diplomatic relations is solely the prerogative of the signatories, emphasizing autonomy and mutual benefit. In upholding this diplomatic ethos, Ethiopia and Somaliland affirm their commitment to a relationship built on mutual respect, sovereignty, and long-term prosperity.

 

So what does that mean in reality 

[Che -Guevara]

It means this....Abiy thinks it is divine right. There is no legal basis.

 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

What is his divine right  the ethiopians are a werid bunch with their religous remarks.

[Che -Guevara]

1 minute ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

What is his divine right  the ethiopians are a werid bunch with their religous remarks.

Listen to their language carefully! They are saying they want to undo a historical injustice and go back to the Red Sea as it is their absolute right. Some even claim Saylac and surrounding areas are historically Ethiopian much like the Jews claim the present Palestine is their land as promised by God.

Others go further and say, the Red Sea is a gift to Ethiopia as Abynassia gave refugee to early Muslims.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

a gift to ethiopia because  abysinia gave refuge to the early Muslims  what a load of a nonsense  it wasnt even called Abyssinia during the prophets time. What is this madness.  it was called axum and it is what is now located in Eritrea. The sahabas didnt go to nazareth where the gallas are from. And even if the sahabas came there still it is no  basis to claim the land. Their absolute right , i  believe i have the absolute right to drive a ferari. What this crazyness xabashidu inay inta dhameen baan awal moodi jiray

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

In the above video Turkish officials want to mediate between Somalia and Somaliland. How can such a mediation look like. What can be achieved i told you Che that Somaliland might just use this deal to get the Koonfurians to the table. Will the Koonfurians take it seriously or will they just stall and make empty promises that cant be implamented time will tell indeed. What will Ethiopias role be will they be included in the talks or not as bystanders.

 

 

[Che -Guevara]

40 minutes ago, Xaaji Xunjuf said:

In the above video Turkish officials want to mediate between Somalia and Somaliland. How can such a mediation look like. What can be achieved i told you Che that Somaliland might just use this deal to get the Koonfurians to the table. Will the Koonfurians take it seriously or will they just stall and make empty promises that cant be implamented time will tell indeed. What will Ethiopias role be will they be included in the talks or not as bystanders.

 

 

There is no reason to be there. If Sland wants guarantors, impartial countries are needed.

That said, Somalis as a nation are spoked, and rightfully so. Any negotiation can't be done with a man who gave a large chunk of Somali territory to an old adversary. The next Sland admin will be in a better position. And there is the issue of pro-union clans and even pro-Somaliland clans who now feel threatened by Muse's craziness.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

1 minute ago, Che -Guevara said:

There is no reason to be there. If Sland wants guarantors, impartial countries are needed.

That said, Somalis as a nation are spoked, and rightfully so. Any negotiation can't be done with a man who gave a large chunk of Somali territory to an old adversary. The next Sland admin will be in a better position. And there is the issue of pro-union clans and even pro-Somaliland clans who now feel threatened by Muse's craziness.

Valid points but  in defense to Muse he has not given anything away yet  apart from the gentlemen agreement mou it has not gone into affect yet. So no harm has been done yet i dont think Muse will go through with it.  though u were right that the Ethiopians are on a mission though 

who can be the impartial countries  if not turkey who else uae 

 

This sheikh is very reasonble listen to him

 

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

what clan is this sheikh never seen such a reasonble Sheikh from Somalia ever