Mogadishu: Anti peace group steps up campaign to again derail peace process.....

[Recovering-Romantics]

Qandalawi;814155 wrote:

Same old story, same old crocodile tear and some old tactics to keep hostage the Somali capital and derail the progress has been made thus far.

 

People attack Garowe for clanish reasons, but Garowe Somaali ayay isku keentay inay iyagu iskood ugu wada doodaan waxna kuheshiiyaan. Dastuurku waxba maqabo haday wax jiraana wax wayn and certainly not things that would favor Faroole or his region over others but Garowe ayaa cuqdad dadka kahaysaa but it is a Somali city.

Don't fool yourself. The progress made in Mogadishu has been made by its people & they have every right to determine their destiny.

 

The Garowe Gathering was a unilateral coup by Farole to impose a thinly veiled clan agenda on the people of Mogadishu.

[Recovering-Romantics]

General Duke;814158 wrote:

Again you have brought no valid argument what so ever aside from old confused Ahmed Diiriye is seeing a certain clan in his nightmares.

Ahmed Dirie is a clan elder & his views hold weight, maybe not to you, but to the people he represents.

[Somalia]

RovingMadness, what do you base this on?

 

Which part of the Garowe Principle whether it bet the first or second has been hijacked?

 

Here's the first

 

http://www.garoweonline.com/artman2/publish/doc.hm/Somalia_Garowe_Principles_-_signed_copy.shtml

 

Here's the second

 

http://puntlandi.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/Garowe-II-Principles.pdf

 

Let me know.

[General Duke]

Recovering-Romantics;814165 wrote:

Part of the tax money collected in Mogadishu finds its way to Puntland & deals signed between the TFG & Puntland such as the ones signed Galgacayo in 2010 clearly stipulate financial contribution to Puntland. In return, Puntland contributes nothing except creating one artificial political crisis after another.

 

Puntland has the right to receive international aid & scholarships. But why is the current Prime Minister only interested in Puntland & not other regions such as Galmudug, Hiiraan State, & other regions?

 

As I said, It's a clan agenda; and Farole & Co. are attempting to legalize this theft and present it as a constitution. Its quite laughable, really.

This is quite interesting. So the Galkacyu agreement stated that revenue from Mogadishu port & airport should be given to Puntland? This is news to me adeer, I need clarification from you.

 

As for PM Abdiweli I dont think you can blame him for the results of the Istanbul conference and the success of Faroole in getting attention for the State. Next you might blame him for the Oil exploration in Dharoor.

 

Galmudug, Hiiraan and other regions need to build a credible State the likes of Puntland or Somaliland, one can not take thse half regions seriously, when they have built their States then it will be easier for them to get support and revenue from their sea/air ports.

[General Duke]

Recovering-Romantics;814169 wrote:

Ahmed Dirie is a clan elder & his views hold weight, maybe not to you, but to the people he represents.

Ahmed Diiriey is a clan old man, he is not a constitutional expert and thus his views dont carry weight when it comes to this delicate issue.

[Shinbir Majabe]

Guys, qof aqriyay Dastuurka ma idinku jiraa? waxa aad ka doodeysaan waxay ku qoran tahay Dastuurka. Qofki raba inuu Dastuurka eedeeyo bal ha soo xigto qodobka ama faqrada uu shakiga ku jiro. Dastuurka wali waa qabyo-qoraal, wax badan baa laga badali karaa.

 

Sheekadaan Muqdisho vs Puntland ah caafimaad ma lahan, Muqdisho waa caasimaddi Dalka, hurumarka laga sameeyo waxay saameyneysaa dalka oo dhan (including Puntland) and vise versa.

[Recovering-Romantics]

General Duke;814171 wrote:

This is quite interesting. So the Galkacyu agreement stated that revenue from Mogadishu port & airport should be given to Puntland? This is news to me adeer, I need clarification from you.

 

As for PM Abdiweli I dont think you can blame him for the results of the Istanbul conference and the success of Faroole in getting attention for the State. Next you might blame him for the Oil exploration in Dharoor.

 

Galmudug, Hiiraan and other regions need to build a credible State the likes of Puntland or Somaliland, one can not take thse half regions seriously, when they have built their States then it will be easier for them to get support and revenue from their sea/air ports.

 

 

The entire budget of the TFG is derived from the tax collected from Mogadishu ( as stated even by the President himself in the Universal TV Debate in London); hence when the TFG makes financial contribution to Puntland, it is money coming directly from the pockets of the people of Mogadishu.

 

With regards to lack of TFG Contributions to Galmudug & Hiiraan State, they can not make progress without the active support & assistance from the TFG. This is why they need more focus & assistance in their formative stages than Puntland. But it seems the PM is only concerned with Puntland.*

[Recovering-Romantics]

General Duke;814172 wrote:

Ahmed Diiriey is a clan old man, he is not a constitutional expert and thus his views dont carry weight when it comes to this delicate issue.

Again, he's a clan elder & the constitution has a negative impact on his people.

[General Duke]

Recovering-Romantics;814177 wrote:

The entire budget of the TFG is derived from the tax collected from Mogadishu ( as stated even by the President himself in the Universal TV Debate in London); hence when the TFG makes financial contribution to Puntland, it is money coming directly from the pockets of the people of Mogadishu.

 

With regards to lack of TFG Contributions to Galmudug & Hiiraan State, they can not make progress without the active support & assistance from the TFG. This is why they need more focus & assistance in their formative stages than Puntland. But it seems the PM is only concerned with Puntland.*

Again, the TFG does not give a single penny to Puntland and has never done so. If you believe the Turkish Scholarships and International assistance comes from the revenues of Mogadishu ports revenue is another matter.

 

As for the second point, Galmudug and Hiiraan should get assistance. The problem here is that they dont have any assets to collect revenue from and thats the major difference between them and Puntland, which is much larger and has a number assets including the Bosaso port, Galkacyu, Garowe aiports and efficient tax collection service in place

[General Duke]

Recovering-Romantics;814178 wrote:

Again, he's a clan elder & the constitution has a negative impact on his people.

Ahh interesting. Who are his people? Be specific.

[Che -Guevara]

Shinbir Majabe;814176 wrote:

. Qofki raba inuu Dastuurka eedeeyo bal ha soo xigto qodobka ama faqrada uu shakiga ku jiro.

I think this question has been asked with no real answer.

[Recovering-Romantics]

General Duke;814182 wrote:

Ahh interesting. Who are his people? Be specific.

Read his title.

[Recovering-Romantics]

General Duke;814181 wrote:

Again, the TFG does not give a single penny to Puntland and has never done so. If you believe the Turkish Scholarships and International assistance comes from the revenues of Mogadishu ports revenue is another matter.

 

As for the second point, Galmudug and Hiiraan should get assistance. The problem here is that they dont have any assets to collect revenue from and thats the major difference between them and Puntland, which is much larger and has a number assets including the Bosaso port, Galkacyu, Garowe aiports and efficient tax collection service in place

The Galgacayo Accords by PM Omar Abdirashid Sharmarke clearly call for TFG financial assistance to Puntland.

 

The TFG should be financing the Hobyo Port & Baladweyne's Airport, this is a better investment than rewarding Farole's shenanigans.

[General Duke]

Recovering-Romantics;814187 wrote:

Read his title.

Ok, so he speaks for one of the 5 clans of Somalia. Yet the other 4 clans are quite about this. Does not bode well for your argument that Somalia is against the constitution. It seems one clan, and one doubts Diiriye speaks for this whole clan is against this.

 

Is that correct?

[Che -Guevara]

^lool@recovering....you could saved us all this verbal gymnastics about the constitution where you couldn't quote any article supporting your argument about revenue sharing and just say you want preferential treatment for some regions. Your argument would have made more sense.