General M. Farrah Aidid Ambassador M. Sahnoun Speaking to the Somalis - 1992

[Taleexi]

Horta denbiilayaashii oo dhan Alle denbi dhaaf ma loo weydiinayaa mise sheekadu qaar bay khusaysaa?

[Che -Guevara]

Taleexi;803638 wrote:

Horta denbiilayaashii oo dhan Alle denbi dhaaf ma loo weydiinayaa mise sheekadu qaar bay khusaysaa?

loool ninkii Aidid iwm denbi dhaaf Alla uweydiinayaa Quran saar uu ubaahanyahay.

[Maaddeey]

Waxaan u soo joogay dad mudaaharaadaayo oo magaca Caydiid wax ku jiro ku shirbaayo aa nin geel wato soo ag mareen, wuxuu dhahay: 'war geela hayga didina Caydiidkiinna maaqaane', maxaa ka raacay hee!, kabtiisaa la faniijiyey!.

 

Galab kasto casar liiqii madaafiic 10 gaaraayo aa lagu ridi jiray dhinaca Kaaraan, wax ka hadli karayna ma lahayn. Gibilcadka balaayo ey ku dhigeen moo.r.yaantiisa, dadka Siyaad Barre qabiil kore la wadaaga iska daa warkooda, wadaado Itixaad eh aan xasuustaa inay ugu tageen si ay ugala hadlaan dhibka ciidankiisa, laba saac markuu halgankii uu Farjanno ka soo billaabay ka sheekeeyey uu wadaadadii ku yiri: 'kuwo ka fiican oo ii dagaalama ayaan la'ahaye, ma inaan rabo baad moodeysaan!'. Star-Darogo kuwo la dhaho aa ugu darnayd moo.r.yaanta.

 

Saasooy tahay, taageerayaashiisa wey ku jadbeysnaayeen, dagaal uusan kuwa ka soo horjeeda ehbinin ma jiro iyo salaatu layl uu tukan jiray ey ku leeyihiin!. Nooc waalli ah inuu qabay 'delusion' aan filaa. Sida gaalada uu u dulleysan jiray aa cajaa'ib lahayd!, amxaarona markuu dhintay aa iney xuduuda ka soo gasho ugu horreysay.

[Che -Guevara]

loooo@Maddeey nagadaaye Amxaaro soomaha tii soo hobeesay. The man was genocidal and delusional period.

[burahadeer]

ali mahdi was the cause of all disaster upto today when he tried to steal power from underneath carpet..what he started neva stopped.Aideed fought for it but Ali was sipping his fanta in Mogadishu.One thing true thou is that aideed would have been a ruthless dictator.

[LANDER]

Who's really to say what type of leader Aideed would have made, despite the mayhem and bloodshed that occured in Somalia we ought to still keep a perspective on Aideed's time. First, Aideed never had absolute power of the country or even the South of Somalia, Siad Barre threw a wrench in those plans with the appointment of Ali Mahdi which I'm sure he realized would cause a fracture within the former USC. Not to mention the American intervention and being surrounded by countless other power hungry and opportunistic leaders within various factions of the former USC like Osman Cato. Secondly, Aideed was a military leader and being a military man I'm only to assume that he's not well suited at playing politics or even the art of making peace at the height of conflict. He did say the right things but as many have pointed out his actions were towards solidifying power and stomping out any opposition. In other words there was no peace for him to keep since at the height of his power he had never known peace, it was still civil war. Secondly, those from Somaliland know very well there are parallels to be drawn from the experience in the south to our very own. Military leaders in the north willingly gave up power and that is the single biggest saving grace of Somaliland, otherwise I don't see how our faith would have been any different from the south. Had the elders of Somaliland and the SNM leadership not agreed upon dissolving the SNM and making way for civilian leadership, I fear it would have been a matter of time before serious wars between various SNM leaders would have exploded and the bloodshed reached levels from which no one side would compromise given the hardened military mindset of these leaders (much like the south). Furthermore, Somaliland had the Burco and Borama conferences that brought together communities in the North to at least agree on some sort of initiative to promote peace and good neighborly relations. So had there been similar conferences in the South that brought together all the tribal elders and representatives and had the same outcomes, would there have been continued bloodshed? who knows really, what is certain is that power was never fully consolidated in the South and they had the unfortunate luck (since it was the seat of former government power) of drawing foreign interventions and interest. Not to mention the tribal and cultural make up of the South is just far more complicated than it was in Somaliland. This is not to diminish the crimes of Aideed and his lot in any way, being a military man doesn't excuse you from having sense of morality or understanding the bigger picture in terms of human suffering and loss. Nor does it diminish the responsibilities that any leader takes by virtue of his position and power. I wanted to emphasize that it was a time of mayhem and that Aideed despite being the most powerful man in Somalia for a brief period, never was able to consolidate that power. Things fell apart relatively quickly and after a while it was hard to keep track of who was fighting whom and who was loyal to whom at least for someone without intimate knowledge of the affairs of South Somalia.

[burahadeer]

aideed neva really had a choice but to fight unfortunately.As you mentioned Siyaad & his cronies left Ali Mahdi behind to deny power to aideed & SNM who were the only & strongest movements.The usurption of power by mahdi not only caused the worst civil war africa have eva seen but prompted the declaration of secession in the north.He didn't even acknowledge snm by stating liberation movements started in central regions let alone call thm..they heard the news on BBc.

[Jacaylbaro]

Illayn Soomaalidu iyadaa isu muuqatee ,, actually my point was not about Aideed but it was more broader than that.

 

Look at Sahnoun, compare to his speech to the last one of Mahiga .... look at the other UN envoys to Somalia. Different times but still the same speech. If some are happy that Mahiga Visited Muqdisho, we should remember Sahnoun did that too in 1992 ,,, during the worst times of the city.

[Taleexi]

Taa been kumaad sheegin hummaagga weyn iyo sida sebenada kala duwani falgallo muuqda iyo kuwo dahsoon isula leeyihiin Cirsan ka yeedh baa inaga indho shareeray. Dad markuu dabargo'oyo - garaadku wax ma garto, oo indhuhu wax ma arkaan, oo qalbigu wuu naxariis beelaa, oo noloshu iyo geeridu isku mid bay u noqdaan, oo shisheeyaha sokeeye baa loo arkaa - isku soo xoori, cutubyada mahadhada taariikhdu qorayso wax ma ka baranaa?, gacmaha ma is qabsanaa?, denbiilayaasha reer waliba awliyada kooda u haysto isku denbi ma ku qaadnaa?, ma iska cafinaa wixii dhacay innaga oo aan weligeen illaawayn dhibcihii mugdiga ahaa ee taariikh nololeedkeena?, mise sheekadu waa halkii Timacade ka lahaa anuun bayska daalaye dheguhu uma daloolaane.

[Abwaan]

Somalina;803636 wrote:

Kaad u sacbineysey '06 kii more than half of million ayuu guryahooda ka barakiciyey iska daaf inta geeriyootey. Waxaa fiican inaad is xisaabiso intaan lagu xisaabin, nin dhintey kabahiisa dhaama haddana waad ku soo noqnoqotaa halkan like you want to prove something. Xashac.

Lol...Somalina....adeerkood dhiigyacab ma isagaa ah oo warlord ahaa, walaalaha Itoobiya ayuu keenay oo keliya...lol

[Abwaan]

Che -Guevara;803639 wrote:

loool ninkii Aidid iwm denbi dhaaf Alla uweydiinayaa Quran saar uu ubaahanyahay.

. Maxamed Cabdi Yuusuf ka warran isaga? Hadde cajaladdii Morgan ee Kismaayo looga duubana waad aragtay baan filayaa before aadan dhihin SYL buu astaan u yahay:)

[Che -Guevara]

LANDER;803669 wrote:

Who's really to say what type of leader Aideed would have made, despite the mayhem and bloodshed that occured in Somalia we ought to still keep a perspective on Aideed's time. First, Aideed never had absolute power of the country or even the South of Somalia, Siad Barre threw a wrench in those plans with the appointment of Ali Mahdi which I'm sure he realized would cause a fracture within the former USC. Not to mention the American intervention and being surrounded by countless other power hungry and opportunistic leaders within various factions of the former USC like Osman Cato. Secondly, Aideed was a military leader and being a military man I'm only to assume that he's not well suited at playing politics or even the art of making peace at the height of conflict. He did say the right things but as many have pointed out his actions were towards solidifying power and stomping out any opposition. In other words there was no peace for him to keep since at the height of his power he had never known peace, it was still civil war. Secondly, those from Somaliland know very well there are parallels to be drawn from the experience in the south to our very own. Military leaders in the north willingly gave up power and that is the single biggest saving grace of Somaliland, otherwise I don't see how our faith would have been any different from the south. Had the elders of Somaliland and the SNM leadership not agreed upon dissolving the SNM and making way for civilian leadership, I fear it would have been a matter of time before serious wars between various SNM leaders would have exploded and the bloodshed reached levels from which no one side would compromise given the hardened military mindset of these leaders (much like the south). Furthermore, Somaliland had the Burco and Borama conferences that brought together communities in the North to at least agree on some sort of initiative to promote peace and good neighborly relations. So had there been similar conferences in the South that brought together all the tribal elders and representatives and had the same outcomes, would there have been continued bloodshed? who knows really, what is certain is that power was never fully consolidated in the South and they had the unfortunate luck (since it was the seat of former government power) of drawing foreign interventions and interest. Not to mention the tribal and cultural make up of the South is just far more complicated than it was in Somaliland. This is not to diminish the crimes of Aideed and his lot in any way, being a military man doesn't excuse you from having sense of morality or understanding the bigger picture in terms of human suffering and loss. Nor does it diminish the responsibilities that any leader takes by virtue of his position and power. I wanted to emphasize that it was a time of mayhem and that Aideed despite being the most powerful man in Somalia for a brief period, never was able to consolidate that power. Things fell apart relatively quickly and after a while it was hard to keep track of who was fighting whom and who was loyal to whom at least for someone without intimate knowledge of the affairs of South Somalia.

Only Somalis would make excuses for mass murderers.

[Che -Guevara]

Abwaan;805296 wrote:

. Maxamed Cabdi Yuusuf ka warran isaga? Hadde cajaladdii Morgan ee Kismaayo looga duubana waad aragtay baan filayaa before aadan dhihin SYL buu astaan u yahay:)

They are all mass murderers. And I most hate the man who brought Woyanes to my city of birth and our Capital.

 

Who's Maxamed Cabdi Yusuf?

[Abwaan]

Che -Guevara;805299 wrote:

They are all Mass murderers. And I most hate the man who brought Woyanes to my city of birth and our Capital.

lol....Ma ninkii Buugga khatartaa laga qoray baad leedahay Itoobiyaan buu keenay? Haku maqleen askartiisa SOL.

[Che -Guevara]

^I have been battling askarta since 2006 and their replacement aka Sharif supporters and Ethiopia's current minions.