Why are people afraid to run their own affairs and still be part of SOMALIA?

[General Duke]

Whenever the Somali’s are close to achieving lasting stability the naysayers appear. In the past they covered themselves under clan garb. More recently these wretched lots grew beards and pretended to be fighting for the faith. Today they are championing centralism and fictitious unity.

 

It’s noteworthy that today we have the desperate groups uniting and angry. You have the meaningless 550 MP’s whose sheer size have made them unable to even see beyond their own pathetic existence. Then you have the failed religious groups, the Al Qaeda lot and their Ala Shiekh clown who’s every aim is to stay in power, at the expense of the poor hapless Somali civilian

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In Somalia politics wonders never stop, you’re always surprised by the strange bedfellows constantly being thrown up. Today we have the secessionists complaining about Federalism and devolution, forgetting their own cries for autonomy and independence.

Puntland States self confidence is breathtaking. The State wants to take care of its priorities and yet live in a Somalia as equals. It covets no one land, not even claiming South Mudug let alone anyone else. Puntland and its people want to live in a free Somalia, where power is shared. The new Somalia will be devolved, every region will have its say, it will take care of itself on behalf of the nation.

The government will serve the people and will not be large or tyrannical, but small and nimble.

 

However our secessionist brothers and some in the South are afraid of this change. Yet they present no alternative and cannot reconcile the gulf between wanting to secede as the North Westerners dream about and holding to everything as some of the Centrist do.

The fact remains, Somaliland can have its autonomy and the South its development if they had as much confidence in their land and the greatest resource its people. Puntland is confident in its land and people and thus can live in a Somalia in which people don’t look to government for everything, but take care of themselves.

[Freedom]

Duky lol you funny

[Carafaat]

Those glory times when some saw the goverment as their personal fiefdom is definetly over. And this Federalist concept is your form to institutionlize clan, power and dominance. I think you are afriad of free competition for best ideas and where every man's vote counts. Otherwise wouldnt have tried to secure a great nr of seats before even other Somali's could voice their opinion.

 

You are free to govern your Galkacyo, nobody is holding you back. But what concerns many is that the power hungry clan based lords(never got elected) are still there, with the same ideology of clan over country this time in a suite, with a title and more worrying their objective is this time not tje city or region but the country.

[burahadeer]

^ seconded...look at puntland & faroole acting they calling the shots and they be consulted on everything before the tfg,ruining any chance of meaningful talk regardless the outcome. Also it's not lost in many somalis who was looking to gov't for everything and infact running power(1960-1990) not by numbers but by manipulation...that's why this lot is consumed by greater somalia not cos they nationalist but by nostalgia...the good old days.It will neva be the same again.

Dawaco halkay wax ku barataybay macaluul ugu bakhtidaa...

[Somalia]

What is holding people back from competing? You want everyone to be mashed up after a civil war, that is a joke. What you are saying is that the rest of Somalis who do not believe in federalism, don't do so because they are afraid of competition. This is a classic projection, Carafaat.

 

Govern yourself, I'll govern myself, just like you stated in your last paragraph.

 

burahadeer;802974 wrote:

^ seconded...look at puntland & faroole acting they calling the shots and they be consulted on everything before the tfg,ruining any chance of meaningful talk regardless the outcome. Also it's not lost in many somalis who was looking to gov't for everything and infact running power not by numbers but by manipulation...that's why this lot is consumed by greater somalia not cos they nationalist but by nostalgia...the good old days.It will neva be the same again.

Dawaco halkay wax ku barataybay macaluul ugu bakhtidaa...

Explain to us how Faroole "ruined any chance of meaningful talk regardless the outcome", what do that even mean?

[Cambuulo iyo bun]

duke what we need is not segregation we need to be united okey,

[Carafaat]

Duke, as your leader why he is afraid to organise real elections? Why is he afraid of one Somalia with one man one vote? Rather then trying to manipulate things in Garowe without even other "States" being present, except for his Siamese twin Caalin. Secure as many seats as possible away and trying to create the a farce structure in Garowe in all haste. Not really a Federalist attitude, wouldnt you say.

 

Somali's have been silent for too long. People need to speak up against these farce opportunistic behaviour. Otherwise we will never create a better Somalia.

[Somalia]

Carafaat;802979 wrote:

Duke, as your leader why he is afraid to organise real elections? Why is he afraid of one Somalia with one man one vote? Rather then trying to manipulate things in Garowe without even other "States" being present, except for his Siamese twin Caalin. Secure as many seats as possible away and trying to create the a farce structure in Garowe in all haste. Not really a Federalist attitude, wouldnt you say.

How is he securing more seats? I've always been baffled by that one, how would that work?

[The Hermet]

All reasonble somali particularly mugdisho etc do not care about federalism let's remember the only reason federalism was even considerd was to accommodate somaliland to give gurentees clearly somaliland says we don't want federalism or Somalia for that matter so the pirates they use it for their own beneift they want monoply now throgh false tribal federalism hence why they always argue that mugdisho should be shared domain even though the people there want a state of their own if eveyone else gets one why shouldn't they I learnt not trust pirates what they want is not nationalism or statehood they want tribal hegemony the good old days and like my friend buura said as long as somaliland is alive we will make sure that doesn't happen and logic states that it cannot happen because somalis are more clever then before. ........... I think I heard another pirate bubble burst. I think your all starting to see what we see this is what destroyed Somalia this is what keeps it back and this mentality has made u all permanent refugees in foreign lands this cancer must be removed or.marginalised.for the betterment of the somali proletarian or else no progress can be made

[Carafaat]

Faroole opposed the 4.5 not because it did unjustice to 0.5, because he wanted to secure more seats through a region based system. This would allocate more to the most thin populated regions of Somalia, Bari, Nugaal and Mudug. Divide this afcourse by the hol trinity, what you would get is a Parliament dominated by Pirates. Some really have nostalgic for the 60's.

[Somalia]

I don't think you understand, Faroole isn't doing anything, he's going back to the way the system was when our country was founded. Are you saying this system is "unfair", that the founding principle of Somalia's parliamentary system is wrong? Haha ok.

[Carafaat]

Well most other folks disagreed with him. Including Caalin,TFG, TFP. So there must be something that scared the heck out of Caalin to walk away.Dont think it was the fish for lunch which he smelled.

[burahadeer]

Carafaat;802985 wrote:

Faroole opposed the 4.5 not because it did unjustice to 0.5, because he wanted to secure more seats through a region based system. This would allocate more to the most thin populated regions of Somalia, Bari, Nugaal and Mudug. Divide this afcourse by the hol trinity, what you would get is a Parliament dominated by Pirates. Some really have nostalgic for the 60's.

that was the core of the problem back then that gave some the false sense of majority when infact they were and are a minority.In essence it was a gov't run by manipulation that caught up with them...now that's why faroole searching for attention with his out of the ordinary daily blasts,to make sure people think he has the numbers & power that will fetch him atleast more than 1/2 of any future gov't.A pirate booty at work:D

ask your self why most interior ministers use to be from pirate land...to steal ballots in any election....

[General Duke]

I think some folks need to grow a backbone. Federalism and devolution works to empower people, thus how can one take advantage of the system if its not central and if the regions have more say. If Hargaysa, Garowe, Belwedweyne, Kismayu and Marka have more local powers, how could one region take advantage of them?

The idea of decentralization is to create checks and balances so that power does not fall or is localized in one area.

Puntland does not covet anyone’s land or resources. Thus why are the North Western afraid? Why do they spend so much time running away from the truth? Why is the triangle not enough for them?

These are the questions that they have to answer. For if as you claim our land is “desert” and we are but just “clan enclaves” and what have you. Its puzzling why you are afraid to compete in a system which will guarantee you autonomy as well as on the individual level access to other region?

The secessionists seem to be suffering from deep seated inferiority complex. Their leaders like Warraabe and elders like Bur-Madow are crying out loud. It’s as if they have no chance of competing with Puntland head on, that they are somewhat deficient in the darks arts of Politics.

Somaliland has not been recognized and its clear now that it will be highly unlikely to ever break away from the republic. Thus the only alternative is a federal system which gives its regions autonomy while being part of a center.

I believe it is high time the secessionists gained more confidence in their lands and people and tired to compete head on. All this defeated talk and wailing is so un-Somali.

[Somalia]

Carafaat;802991 wrote:

Well most other folks disagreed with him. Including Caalin,TFG, TFP. So there must be something that scared the heck out of Caalin to walk away.Dont think it was the fish for lunch which he smelled.

Caalin didn't have a problem with it, he just wanted more and he got it. You have no backing at all, what are you going to say when people ask you why you are against it? I can just say it is the same founding principle of Somalia and you'll say that is wrong? Come oooon