Secessionists and the fear of Federal Somalia

[General Duke]

 

The secessionists would like autonomy and self determination. They want to run their own affairs and detest any notion of a centralized system. They argue that this system has failed in the past; it does not have a check and balance. The danger of a central system they state would concentrate power in a single individual’s hands it might prop up a single region and would lead to tyranny.

 

The confusing thing is, and then secessionists forget about everything when they hear, Puntland State of Somalia, or other regions wishing to form a Federal State. The secessionists lose their minds; they get angry and hot and bothered. They cry, that this will not work, that “clan” states are not necessary and that theirs is a special case that their clans are not clans but a nation that was forged by the tender love of the British masters.

 

The secessionists of NW Somalia would like devolution, autonomy and self determination only for themselves. Even when it comes to Somalia, they have this absurd notion that it is 50/50 negotiations or power sharing. Nonsense, the NW of Somalia or the Somaliland State of Somalia will get the power, its size and population accords it and no more or no less.

It has to realize that what is good for the NW, is good for NE, Central, SE and SW. That to have peace and stability you must accord to your brothers and neighbors what you wish for yourself.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Clan federalism is not a solution for Somalia you know it i know it Allah the almighty knows it.

 

That said the Somaliland republic doesn't want to share power with Somalia nor is Somaliland part of Somalia so i don't know what you are trying to say. I hope you are not taking carafaats trolling serious or professor Axmed ismaciil samatars nonsense. Somaliland only wants to restore relations with Somalia if they get a functioning government in the near future and that Somaliland can assist Somalia to get back on its own to feet that's Somaliland policy live with it dukey.

[Carafaat]

Federalism is a political concept in which a group of members are bound together by covenant (Latin: foedus, covenant) with a governing representative head. The term "federalism" is also used to describe a system of the government in which

sovereignty is constitutionally divided between a central governing authority and constituent political units (like states or provinces)

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Sovereignity means having supreme, independent authority over a geographic area, such as a territory. If we follow this logic it would mean that central goverment can not intervene in certain disputes, conflict in a particuler region. And knowing that all Somali regions face clan issue's, like the recent case in Hiiraan. it would mean TFG could not intervene if Somalia was real Federalism.

[Qaranki]

"having supreme, independent authority over a geographic area, such as a territory"

 

That quote alone shoots down whatever the TFG is supposed to be.

[Carafaat]

The reason why Somalia cant be a Federation. Is because in a Federation, a group of states come together and transfer some of their sovereignity(on Foreign Affairs, Defense, money in the case of US. Trade, Market regulation, etc in the case of EU) to a central Federal Authority with mandate from the States.

 

In the case of Somalia we have an excisting central authority(now to be reformed) who's task is to create, support and give mandate(like in the case of Hiiraan) to regional enthities. Even Puntland region requested the TFG to sign its mineral and oil deals. So this is everything but a federal process because a strong regional State, doesnt necesserly mean it's a Federal State. You can have State's and strong regions without being a Federal country.

 

All known examples of countries with a Federal model, like US, Swiss, EU, Belgium have been created by existing States that came together and created a Federal country together or platform. Somalia as a country excisted before there were State's or regions.

[General Duke]

Carafaat;802923 wrote:

The reason why Somalia cant be a Federation. Is because in a Federation, a group of states come together and transfer some of their sovereignity(on Foreign Affairs, Defense, money in the case of US. Trade, Market regulation, etc in the case of EU) to a central Federal Authority with mandate from the States.

 

In the case of Somalia we have an excisting central authority(now to be reformed) who's task is to create, support and give mandate(like in the case of Hiiraan) to regional enthities. Even Puntland region requested the TFG to sign its mineral and oil deals. So this is everything but a federal process because a strong regional State, doesnt necesserly mean it's a Federal State. You can have State's and strong regions without being a Federal country.

 

All known examples of countries with a Federal model, like US, Swiss, EU, Belgium have been created by existing States that came together and created a Federal country together or platform. Somalia as a country excisted before there were State's or regions.

Again you highlight your deep seated ignorance and nothing more. The prototype for the Somali's wil be the United States, which had a central authority which created many of today's states. Remember there were nly 13 colonies when Independence was declared. Today there are a total of 50 States that means 37 States were created by the central authority. Today in Somalia you have a few states and the rest can be created by the central authority.

 

Thus the EU formula does not work, this is more like the East African nations coming together, but within Somalia, the US model will be easy to implement and understand.

 

Again the only reason why we have secessionists complaining is the simple fact that without recognition and being in a Federal Somalia will mean they will be a small fish in a big pond containing many equal or larger fish.

[burahadeer]

who eva is chasing is fearful & scared of being impotent which so far they been.Psyche in somalia is there won't be somalia without somaliland....true to the depth.The basic tenet of nomadic culture was fierce independence,not relying or leaning on anyone....that's what's true in somaliland & lacking on the rest who put all their eggs in one basket,meaning deceit & propaganda.

The bandit chasing the beaver:D

[Freedom]

Duke as always future teller your perdictions come wrong lol

[Carafaat]

Duke, which states exist in Somalia today and tell us who elected them? Which Somali citizen in Bosasso, Qardho, Garowe and Galkacyo has elected Faroole? Which folks in Galkacyo elected in Caalin, who in Hiiraan elected the new guy?

Who gave them mandate to speak on behalf of them before they have spoken? Not being elected but named by Qurbojoogs, clan councils and TFG does give them only mandate to restore normalcy, security and maybe organise elections.

Thats it, let the people decide what kind of Somalia(Federalsim or not) they want and who they wont in office. It's not up to one man and his clan cousins to decide the future of Somalia.

 

Let the people first choose their real representative's, let them make laws and choose a democratic elected leader. Or do you want every new guy who wants to come in office to shoot, attack Parlimanet(Farooole), attack his predecessor(Cadde Muuse) or fith out wars Ali Jama and Yeey?

 

No to bad policy, No to bad governance, to No clan based whicked ideas.

[General Duke]

Carafaat;802973 wrote:

Duke, which states exist in Somalia today and tell us who elected them? Which Somali citizen in Bosasso, Qardho, Garowe and Galkacyo has elected Faroole? Which folks in Galkacyo elected in Caalin, who in Hiiraan elected the new guy?

Who gave them mandate to speak on behalf of them before they have spoken?

 

No to bad policy, No to bad governance, to No clan based whicked ideas.

 

I suppose you want me to belive that the people of Erigavo, Fiqi Fuliye, Mindigale, Habar-shiro, Hadaaftimo, Xingalol, Dhahar , Buraan , Xabasha Wacle, Badhan, Las Qoray, Kaladhacda, Ceelbuh, widhwidh, Marqan ,Balicad ,Caynaba District, Laascaanood , Taleex, Xudun , Boocame and Yagori voted for and elected Warlord Siilanyu and his SNM party? Adeer spare us the waffle.

Puntland is a State and all other Somali populations of the South should follow suit and create regions based on the interest of their population and affinity. However the secessionist hypocracy and wailing wont do. The illegitimate SNM clan reps and their laughable attempt at hegemony over proud clans is just a joke, a joke I tell ya.

[General Duke]

The secessionist game is up. They are afraid cause in their eyes the Triangle of Burco-Berbera-Hargaysa is not enough. They don’t have any confidence that they would be able to compete against the major populations of the rest of Somalia. Hence all the bravado has come down to. They are the only ones who deserve autonomy and they are the only ones who are not a clan region but based on the warm memory of the British colonials.

[Carafaat]

General Duke;803012 wrote:

The secessionist game is up. They are afraid cause in their eyes the Triangle of Burco-Berbera-Hargaysa is not enough. They don’t have any confidence that they would be able to compete against the major populations of the rest of Somalia. Hence all the bravado has come down to. They are the only ones who deserve autonomy and they are the only ones who are not a clan region but based on the warm memory of the British colonials.

Sxb, some have agricultural land, some have Kismaayo, some have Muqdisho, some have a actual working goverment, you have oil. Stop crying, you can buy your own State or a proper goverment

[Somalia]

Carafaat;803085 wrote:

Sxb, some have agricultural land, some have Kismaayo, some have Muqdisho, some have a actual working goverment, you have oil. Stop crying, you can buy your own State or a proper goverment

We can buy all states :cool:

[Freedom]

Duke is on the hate raid snydroum lool

[Jacaylbaro]

Duke is bored just like Faroole ,,,, coz the talks are with the TFG in Mogadishu ,,, so basically nothing to do