Hargeisa land bubble

[Mintid Farayar]

Explains why my relatives are always calling in the middle of the night to inform me 'another hustler is claiming your land again'. Could be a bubble, could be not...

 

We don't have the proper econ stats to really come to an educated guess.

[Carafaat]

Mintid, Bubbles are not build on economic ratio's nor its very difficult to estimate one. Even in the most western countries they have bubbles. we have here in holland one that is starting to burst and drawing the economy down. most important is to use sound logic and be carefull with temptations of making a quick profit. like Hermet is promoting here

[The Hermet]

Carafaat;802124 wrote:

i lived there 2 yrs sxb. there is no single park in that city. even ministries find it hard to obtain to build public institutions. the local admins even selling fields were kid play football. local admins is corrupted by the trade in public lands of property rights.

Things change quickly...I live near The south of the town and we have a big park called masalaha and we have foot ball pitch, not far if we want to play tennis we got the tennis grounds at ambasador hotel...things change quickly. Plus no system is entirely perfect but we are making progress yearly as you can see hargaisa was rubble in 1991 today mashallah it is a metropolis only missing roads, the objective is not to have everything in one go, but to gradually increase year on year with this strategy we are bound to reach a better future...as they say "Rome wasnt built in a day"...

[Carafaat]

The Hermet;802134 wrote:

Things change quickly...I live near The south of the town and we have a big park called masalaha and we have foot ball pitch, not far if we want to play tennis we got the tennis grounds at ambasador hotel...things change quickly. Plus no system is entirely perfect but we are making progress yearly as you can see hargaisa was rubble in 1991 today mashallah it is a metropolis only missing roads, the objective is not to have everything in one go, but to gradually increase year on year...

sxb, we put money in land that is already owned by the people. I suggest we invest in water rathen then land, specially in south-hargfeysa area. but you wouldnt understand.

[Abu-Salman]

The Hermet, socialism economically means putting equality as the main economic goal.

Of course, there are all sorts of connotations but these are irrelevant for Muslims and even Islam strongly encourage economic socialism (equality, giving up all surplus etc).

 

We just need to ensure everyone has all the basics and the elite's spending, even when honestly and transparently earned, is put only to the service of the common good (creating jobs and safeguarding the environment).

 

Besides, economic dirigism, nationalisations and social ownership of firms are partly adopted in the most productive, innovative and solvent big economies such as Sweden, Germany or France (though not to the same extent and consistently arguably).

 

 

PS: the USSR made formidable leaps in heavy industries and defence industries production but also in terms of equality;

its main major flaws economically was just that big sovkhozes farms were not as productive as their small, individual plots while customer goods were not diversified and of insufficient quantity or quality (they needed to lease farms and introduce some market incentives though consumerism is very destructive for all sorts of reasons).

And they had to operate with formidable internal challenges (wide distances and diversities, climate etc).

Of course, that is in the purely economic sphere even though the rest may be objectionable; but we should not take what we read or hear at face value and countries such as Cuba are cited as models in terms of equality, healthcare or education (despite very little resources or environmental damage).

[The Hermet]

Carafaat;802140 wrote:

sxb, we put money in land that is already owned by the people. I suggest we invest in water rathen then land, specially in south-hargfeysa area. but you wouldnt understand.

No there i would agree with you...The South of Hargaisa saxib we get our water trasported to us in tankers in from Awr Barkhadle while the rest of Hargaisa gets nationalised water from the government pumped in from Geed Dable another reason why i dont like nationalisation. Clearly whats happening is Hargaisa is getting to big and even the local council cant keep up with it, but didnt we secure an investment from the world bank or something, 23 million to improve water infrastructure inshallah that should help the country overall improve water. There is plenty of water in the south of Hargaisa its just to dam mountainous they need better drills and the sand destroys what little the drills penetrates but awr barkadle mashallah has enough water for the whole town and its sweet and its only 4 miles from Hargaisa when you head towards Berbera so.....

 

but i agree with you, money should be invested in water, a guy from dubai bought an investment of a few hundred thousand pounds and drills to invest and start up a water company but the government refused on the grounds that no one but the government has the right to a monopoly over something as precious as water...and given that arguement i except that because that guy would have to much power.

[Carafaat]

The Hermet;802151 wrote:

No there i would agree with you...The South of Hargaisa saxib we get our water trasported to us in tankers in from Awr Barkhadle while the rest of Hargaisa gets nationalised water from the government pumped in from Geed Dable another reason why i dont like nationalisation. Clearly whats happening is Hargaisa is getting to big and even the local council cant keep up with it, but didnt we secure an investment from the world bank or something, 23 million to improve water infrastructure inshallah that should help the country overall improve water. There is plenty of water in the south of Hargaisa its just to dam mountainous they need better drills and the sand destroys what little the drills penetrates but awr barkadle mashallah has enough water for the whole town and its sweet and its only 4 miles from Hargaisa when you head towards Berbera so.....

 

but i agree with you, money should be invested in water, a guy from dubai bought an investment of a few hundred thousand pounds and drills to invest and start up a water company but the government refused on the grounds that no one but the government has the right to a monopoly over something as precious as water...

and given that arguement i except that because that guy would have to much power

.

how about land?

[Carafaat]

The Hermet;802151 wrote:

No there i would agree with you...The South of Hargaisa saxib we get our water trasported to us in tankers in from Awr Barkhadle while the rest of Hargaisa gets nationalised water from the government pumped in from Geed Dable another reason why i dont like nationalisation. Clearly whats happening is Hargaisa is getting to big and even the local council cant keep up with it, but didnt we secure an investment from the world bank or something, 23 million to improve water infrastructure inshallah that should help the country overall improve water. There is plenty of water in the south of Hargaisa its just to dam mountainous they need better drills and the sand destroys what little the drills penetrates but awr barkadle mashallah has enough water for the whole town and its sweet and its only 4 miles from Hargaisa when you head towards Berbera so.....

 

but i agree with you, money should be invested in water, a guy from dubai bought an investment of a few hundred thousand pounds and drills to invest and start up a water company but the government refused on the grounds that no one but the government has the right to a monopoly over something as precious as water...

and given that arguement i except that because that guy would have to much power

.

how about land?

[The Hermet]

Abu-Salman;802144 wrote:

The Hermet, socialism economically means putting equality as the main economic goal.

Of course, there are all sorts of connotations but these are irrelevant for Muslims and even Islam strongly encourage economic socialism (equality, giving up all surplus etc).

 

We just need to ensure everyone has all the basics and the elite's spending, even when honestly and transparently earned, is put only to the service of the common good (creating jobs and safeguarding the environment).

 

Besides, economic dirigism, nationalisations and social ownership of firms are partly adopted in the most productive, innovative and solvent big economies such as Sweden, Germany or France (though not to the same extent and consistently arguably).

 

 

PS: the USSR made formidable leaps in heavy industries and defence industries production but also in terms of equality;

its main major flaws economically was just that big sovkhozes farms were not as productive as their small, individual plots while customer goods were not diversified and of insufficient quantity or quality (they needed to lease farms and introduce some market incentives though consumerism is very destructive for all sorts of reasons).

And they had to operate with formidable internal challenges (wide distances and diversities, climate etc).

Of course, that is in the purely economic sphere even though the rest may be objectionable; but we should not take what we read or hear at face value and countries such as Cuba are cited as models in terms of equality, healthcare or education (despite very little resources or environmental damage).

I agree socalism does have its benefits, we are muslims we go by what God says and God says, private enterprise with emphasis on social benefits and caring for those who can not care for themselves..and in this regard we can do better. The only charitable social projects i see are during ramadan and eid to be honoust but inshallah at this stage the country doesnt have to many resources, this is not to say companies and individuals are not charitable..saxib the poor everywhere in the country will give you their dinner while the man in europe tries to steal from you..We gotta get out of Europe saxibayal i feel another European Dark Age comming soon.

[The Hermet]

Carafaat;802154 wrote:

how about land?

See in the case of land, its not one person though, its many people,with winners and losers depending on economic means..therefore its sort of different entirely, but not everyone can afford the prices especially locals but this doesnt mean they cant go further out of the city, but better solutions should be examined, i still am not convinced nationalisation is the solution to any potential land problems but maybe if my circumstances were different i would have the opposite view...i think we need to look into this issue seriously to see what the best solution is for everyone long term.