OdaySomali Posted August 31, 2012 OdaySomali;850295 wrote: Occupational groups... identity? Maal Soo-maal (he who milks...lives off milk/meat) Biyo-maal (he who lives off water... fisher and/or farmer) Tum-maal (welder/blacksmith/mason lives of his 'hammer') Baaji-maal (potter & clayworker) Disscuss. Perhaps this is something we learnt from our interaction with our neighbours on the Indian subcontinent. Any ideas/comments on this hypothesis? Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OdaySomali Posted August 31, 2012 So I have delved further into the Oromo culture, History and language. I genuinely believe that the next stage of Somali Studies will have to focus on the interaction and overlaps between Oromos and Somalis. Learning the Oromo language would unlock so much of our history and our language. From having looked into the Oromo language I would say that about 10% to 20% of it is the same vocabulary as Somali (but of-course you have to allow for dialectal differences, and alphabetical differences). It seems that a lot of the root-words are the same and it is quite interesting because it is indicative of a shared language/history and culture at some point in the past. The difficulty and sad fact is that the Somali language - particularly northern/central/western Somali - has been extremely heavily contaminated by Arabic/Persian and some Hindi; on the other hand the Oromo language has been heavily contaminated by Amharic. Perhaps a speaker of Af Maay/Tunni etc. could give us some perspective on the similarities between those respective languages and Afaan Oromo. Although both Af-Somali and Afaan Oromo use the latin characters for their alphabet, you have to bear in mind that we may not use the same letters with the same pronounciation e.g. we spell Wiil, they spell Weel. Meaning: Father Somali: Aabo, Aabe Oromo: Abbaa -- Meaning: Son Somali: Ilmo Oromo: Ilma -- Meaning: Mother Somali: Hooyo Oromo: Haadha -- Meaning: Daughter Somali: Inan, Inantaa Oromo: Intala -- Meaning: Man, Men, People Somali: Niman Oromo: Nama -- Meaning: Five Somali: Shan Oromo: Shan --- Meaning: Teach Somali: Bar Oromo: Bar teacher = barsiiso -- Meaning: Year, time Somali: Waa, Waaga Oromo: Waggaa -- Meaning: The man, the men Somali: Ninka, Nimanka Oromo: Namicha -- Meaning: The end, End Somali: Dhamaad Oromo: Dhuma -- Meaning: owns/has Somali: Qaba Oromo: Qaba -- Meaning: Name, [What is] your name?, the name Somali: Magac, Magacaa?, Magacan oromo: Maqaa, Maqaan -- Meaning: Mouth, Language Somali: Af Oromo: Af[aan] -- Meaning: I Somali: Ani, Ani[ga] Oromo: Ani -- Meaning: You Somali: Adi, Aid[ga] Oromo: Ati -- Meaning: He Somali: Isa[ga] Oromo: Isa -- Meaning: You have Somali: Qabtaa Oromo: Qabda -- Meaning: We Enter Somali: Gallay Oromo: Galla -- Meaning: We learn Somali: Baranaa Oromo: Barra -- Meaning: Ears, listen Somali, Dhego, Dhegayso Oromo: Dhagga, Dhageessa -- Meaning: Go/get up Somali: Kac, Ka' Oromo: Ka' -- Menaing: Break, Break to pieces Somali: Chab (Jab), Chachab (jajab) Oromo: Cab, Cacab --- Meaning: 'say' or 'shout' Soomaali: iyaa [yaah] Oromo (Galla): iyya --------- Meaning: 'crockodile' Soomaali: yaxaas Oromo (Boni): yahaas Rendille (Reer Diinle): yahasi --------- Meaning: 'wild dog' Soomaali: yeey Oromo (Galla): yeeyii Oromo (Boni): yeye Rendille: yaay --------- Meaning: 'light' Soomaali: if/iftiin Oromo (Galla): ifa ----------- Meaning: 'long hair' Soomaali: dab Oromo (Galla): daabee ---------- Meaning: 'back' Soomaali: dhabar Oromo: daban ----------- Meaning: 'young bull' Soomaali: dibbi Oromo (Galla): dib-icca ----------- Meaning: 'man' [calling a man] Soomaali: waryaa [waraa] Oromo (Galla): warra -------- Meaning: 'call, invite' Soomaali: waani/waano Oromo (Galla): waama ----------- Meaning: 'hyena' Soomaali: waraabe Oromo (Galla): warab-esa Rendille: waraba ------------- Meaning: 'boy' or 'child' Soomaali: wiil Oromo (Boni): weel ---------- Meaning: 'son, brother' Soomaali: walaal Rendille: walal ------------ Meaning: 'rhinoceros' Soomaali: wiyil Rendille: weyel -------- Meaning: 'fruit of cactus' Soomaali: tin [tiintiin] Oromo (Galla): tini ----------- Meaning: 'spit' Soomaali: tuf Oromo (Galla): tufe ------------ Meaning: 'beat' Soomaali: tun [tuma dadkaas] Oromo (Galla): tuma Rendille: tum --------- Meaning: 'she-goat' Soomaali: ri' Oromo (Galla): ree ----------- Meaning: 'follow' Soomaali: raac Oromo (Boni): raa' Rendille: raah ---------- Meaning: 'run' Soomaali: orod Oromo (Boni): irid Rendille: irid ----------- Meaning: 'womb, uterus' or 'pregnant (of animals)' Soomaali: rimay, riman Oromo (Galla): riimaa Rendille: rim ----------- Meaning: 'rain' Soomaali: roob Oromo (Galla): rooba Oromo (Boni): roob ----------- Meaning: 'cow' Soomaali: sac Oromo (Galla): saa' --------- Meaning: 'lungs' Soomaali: sambab Oromo (Galla): somba --------- Meaning: 'cripple' Soomaali: naafa Oromo (Galla): naafa --------- Meaning: 'breath' or 'soul' or 'life Somali: naf [soul] or neef [breath] Oromo (Boni): nef ---------- Meaning: 'man' Soomaali: nin [niman] Oromo (Galla): nama ---------- Meaning: 'breath' or 'breathe' Soomaali: neefso Oromo (Boni): neefso Rendille: nefsi/nefso ---------- Meaning: 'live long' Soomaali: raage Oromo (Galla): raaga --------- Meaning: 'elephant' Soomaali: maroodi Oromo (Galla): marode --------- Meaning: 'be drunk' Soomaali: [ma cabee], cabid Oromo (Galla): macaw ---------- Meaning: 'family' or people Soomaali: maati [people] Oromo (Galla): maatii [family] --------- Meaning: 'manger' or 'home' Soomaali: moora ['animal shelter'], old homes Oromo (Galla): moora ---------- Meaning: 'herd of cows' Soomaali: lo' Oromo (Galla): loon Rendille: loolyo -------- Meaning: 'hen' Soomaali: luki [lost word, now dooro] Oromo (Galla): lukku --------- Meaning: 'leg, hip' Soomaali: lug Oromo (Galla): luka, lukaa Rendille: lux ---------- Meaning: 'name' Soomaali: magac Oromo (Galla): maqa Rendille: magaca ---------- Meaning: 'house' Soomaali: minan Oromo (Galla): mana, manaa Oromo (Boni): min --------- Meaning: 'bone' Soomaali: laf Oromo (Galla): lafe --------- Meaning: 'companion, relative' Soomaali: lammaan Oromo (Galla): lammii ----------- Meaning: 'heart' or 'chest Soomaali: lab [heart] Oromo (Galla): labb [chest] ----------- Meaning: 'swallow' Soomaali: liqid Oromo (Galla): liqim ----------- Meaning: 'foreskin' [dead skin] Somali: qolof Oromo (Galla): qolofa --------- Meaning: 'cold' Somali: qaboow Oromo (Galla): qabbanawa Rendille: qobo ---------- Meaning: 'young female camel' Somali: qaalin Rendille: qaalim ---------- Meaning: to bite Somali: qaniin Oromo (Galla): qinina ------------ Meaning: 'high mountain, summit' Somali: qar [qarka] Oromo (Galla): qara --- Meaning: Tongue Somali: Carab Oromo: Arrabba -- Meaning: Teeth/Tooth Somali: Ilko, Ilig Oromo: Ilkaan, Ilkee -- Meaning: Leg Somali: Lug Oromo: Luka -- Meaning: Knee Oromo: Jilba Somali: Jilib -- Meaning: Head Somali: Madax (madah) Oromo: Mataa --- Meaning: Hair Somali: Timo/ Rif? e.g. timhaha ka rif Oromo: Rifaa -- Meaning: face Oromo: Fuula Somali: Fool Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted August 31, 2012 Oromo is a dysfunctional Ethnic group thus it needs to dismantled the northern Oromo like the tulama oromo should just be Amhaaras and identify them selves with Amhaaras. And the Ala oromos and dagaa oromos and others should be their own ethnic group. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted August 31, 2012 oba hiloowlow;850394 wrote: oromo is bahalo caqli badan laheyn, Afar waa rageedi Afars were conquered by the Ethiopians they are insignificant in Ethiopia Eritrea and Djibouti the're marginalized in all 3 countries even though oromos are pretty much useless because oromo is a dysfunctional ethnic group to big for its own good. But atleast the oromos had one Ethiopian Emperor who converted to islam some where in the early 20th century Iyasu V. And there were several other Oromo Emperors who worked them selves up all the way up to the Ethiopian throne. These oromos were most of the time oromos related to Amhaaras on their maternal side. But with Modern Ethiopia this is not the case any more. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OdaySomali Posted August 31, 2012 -- meaning: Tall Oromo: Dheera Somali: Dheer -- Meaning: White Somali: 'Adaan (Cadaan) Oromo: Adii -- Meaning: Narrow Somali: Dhuuban, Dhuubanaan Oromo: Dhipaa -- Meaning: Short Somali: Gaaban Oromo: Gabaabaa -- Meaning: Wide Somali: Balaadh[an] Oromo: Ball'aa -- Meaning: Taste Somali: Dhadhan Oromo: Dhandhama -- Meaning: Bitter Somali: Qadhaah Oromo: Hadhaawaa -- Meaning: Sweet Somali: Ma'aan (Macaan) Oromo: Mi'aawaa (Micaawaa) --- Meaning: Well manered, clean, good Somali: Gaari (e.g. Qofkaasi waa gaari) Oromo: Gaarri -- Meaning: many, much Oromo: Baayee Somali: Badan --- Meaning: Hot, Burn[ing] Somali: Guban Oromo: Gubaa -- Meaning: Rain Somali: Roob Oromo: Roobuu -- Oromo: Baby : Dhalattuu Somali (baby, born, birth): Dhal, Dhashay, Dhalasho -- Menaing: Give Somali: Keen Oromo: Ken -- Meaninig: Immediately Somali: Hadda, Haddadatan Oromo: Hatattamaan -- Meaning: Away Somali: Go [far] away = Fogoow Oromo: Fagoo -- Meaning: Somali: Single person = Qof Oromo: Alone = Qophaa -- Meaning: I Loved Somali: Aniga Jeclaaday Oromo: An Jaalladhe -- Meaning: I gave Somali: Inigaa keenay Oromo: Anni kenne -- Meaning Somali: Afraid: Baqay, baqday Oromo: Avoid: Baqatu -- Meaning: we beat it Somali: kanaanu tumnay oromo: kana nitumna -- Meaning: cried Oromo: Booye Somali: Ooye -- Meaning Oromo: Flee = Baqanne Somali: Be afraid of = Baqanay Escape from = Bahsanay (Baxsanay) -- Meaning: Somali: creep (upon), dhukus, Dhukun Oromo: duukkaa -- Meaning: I hate this Somali: Kanan necebahay Oromo: Kana nanjibba -- Meaning: Learnt/learned Somali: Bartay Oromo: Barte -- meaning: [we] see it Somali: aragnaa oromo: argina -- Meaning: She took that Somali: Iyada dhufatay Oromo: isa fudhatay -- Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oba hiloowlow Posted August 31, 2012 Xaaji Xunjuf;863025 wrote: Oromo is a dysfunctional Ethnic group thus it needs to dismantled the northern Oromo like the tulama oromo should just be Amhaaras and identify them selves with Amhaaras. And the Ala oromos and dagaa oromos and others should be their own ethnic group. war oromadda waa dad waalan i saw this documentary about OLF in youtube disgusting people Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
UZTAAD Posted August 31, 2012 Somali and and oromo language share some features, do you also know that Arabic and Hebrew(Jewish) also share some features . so it does not matter some languages have some similarities. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
OdaySomali Posted August 31, 2012 UZTAAD;863042 wrote: Somali and and oromo language share some features, do you also know that Arabic and Hebrew(Jewish) also share some features . so it does not matter some languages have some similarities. Yes, they fall under the same language sub-groups. Maxaad leedahay ee aad uaga jeedaa markaas?? AfroAsiatic < Cushitic Languages. < Somali < Oromo < Semetic Languages < Hebrew < Arabic <Hebrew Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
oba hiloowlow Posted August 31, 2012 OdaySomali hana ceebeyn we have nothing to do with those filthy oromo Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Somali philosopher Posted August 31, 2012 ^^^ you can't seriously judge the people based on documentary. I see oromos everyday either at work, mosque or school. They are great people. They are Somali ppl brothers. But Somalida wey islaweyntahay claiming some run away criminals From Arabia as ancestors. They are no different than those AA that claim Jewish Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted August 31, 2012 Oromos are Somali neighbors and speak afro Asiatic language but that doesn't mean we share the same ancestry its like saying the germanic tribes and Slavic tribes of eastern Europe share the same ancestors because some of them have the same words. Language and ancestry are two different things afaan oromo and the Somali language have some similar words. But its not the same language. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Samafal Posted September 1, 2012 Borans who are sub group of Oromo worship a God Named "Waaqaa".Waaqaa is old Somali word meaning "God" E.g Waligaa iyo waaqaa (waligaa iyo Allahaa). This shows Somalis and Oromos are related and some point before they separated they were "pagans" until they found Islam. Borans did not accept Islam and still keep some of their old tradition in tact that's why they're bit wilder than Oromo Muslims. The Arab introduction is only recent and even the account of those tribes who claim they are descedents of Arab Sheikhs do not dispute this fact. Even if you use your common sense, a sole man can only marry one woman and only his male descendants could carry his paternal DNA, the overwhelming gene will be those of the natives I.e Somalis. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Xaaji Xunjuf Posted September 1, 2012 Oromos genetically are much closer to Amhaaras than that they are to Somalis HLA class II allele and haplotype frequencies in Ethiopian Amhara and Oromo populations. Fort M, de Stefano GF, Cambon-Thomsen A, Giraldo-Alvarez P, Dugoujon JM, Ohayon E, Scano G, Abbal M. Source Laboratoire d'Immunologie, Centre Hospitalier Universitaire de Rangueil, Toulouse, France. Abstract HLA class II alleles were identified in 181 healthy unrelated Ethiopian children of both sexes and in 350 European controls from the South of France. The Ethiopian individuals belonged to the two major ethnic groups of the country: Oromo (N=83) and Amhara (N=98). In both panels, genetic polymorphism of HLA class II alleles was analysed for the first time by molecular typing of DRB1, DQA1 and DQB1 loci. Allelic and phenotypic frequencies were compared with those of European controls and other African populations. Construction of HLA class II three-locus haplotypes was also performed. The study revealed some differences between the two groups. Characteristic features of Central and North African populations appeared on the Ethiopian HLA genotypes. Surprisingly, DRB1*11 presented one of the lowest gene frequencies in both Ethiopian ethnic groups in contrast to Europeans and West Africans. Furthermore, this decrease was more marked than those observed using serological techniques in other geographically close East African countries. Oromo and Amhara only showed minor differences in spite of their different origins and histories. One significant difference consisted of a lower DRB1*01 gene frequency in Oromo as reported in most West African people. Some new or rare haplotypes were also observed in the Oromo group. Our results underline the distinctive features of the Ethiopian populations among the few HLA genotyping data available for East African groups and emphasise the major interest of such investigations in this region of Africa. Quote Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
