Berufsverbot for Puntland Politicians?

[Carafaat]

After the end of the second world war all members of the German Nazi Party NSDP and the Nazi goverment were forbidden to hold a political position in the new Germany. There were countless members who had no direct responsibility for the crimes of the regime, who even helpen jews or opposed some of the policies. But just to be on the safe side and history didnt repeat itself, a Berufsverbot(ban on Career) as Politician was established. The leaders of the New Germany didnt want another World War, Germany had suffered so much during the 1st and 2nd World War, that it banned hundred thousands of people to hold a political office till their name was cleared.

 

Now, everyone who knows Somali history from the 1960 to the recent history knows what kind of destructive role Politicians mainly from Puntland played in Somalia's Politics. The corruption, clannism and voter rigging in the 60's, SSDF role, Abshir Farah's, Omar Sharmarke major corruptions and failures of establishing a goverment and Abdullahi Yussuf's destructive role of bringing Ethiopians to massacre Somali civlians and destroy xamar to the ground, and by this laying the seeds for Al Shabaab's birth. And all the whicked counter policies of stimulating and profiting from Piracy, arresting Sheicks for terrorism by PIS and the same time creating mashruucs of so called anti Piracy, anti terrorism from CIA without actually solving it.

 

Ofcourse one can not state that all Politicians from Puntland are bad leaders with bad policies that are destructive for Somalia.And I am not going to argument there should be a Berufsverbot for National politicians from Puntland. For this wouild be generlizing all politicians from that particular region and a waste of potential exceptions who are willing to learn from the past.

 

But the National leaders from Puntland we have seen so far have dissapointed us every bit. This should make us more cautious of any future aspirant Politcian from that region, their policies should be watched more critically, what they say and dont say should be analyzed and double checked for facts just to be sure and voters are advised to be cautios when dealing with Puntland Politicians. Just to be on the safe side and to prevent history to repeat itself.

[Che -Guevara]

Carafaat;798081 wrote:

After the end of the second world war all members of the German Nazi Party SSDP and the Nazi goverment were forbidden to hold a political position in the new Germany. There were countless members who had no direct responsibility for the crimes of the regime, who even helpen jews or opposed some of the policies. But just to be on the safe side and history didnt repeat itself, a Berufsverbot(ban on Career) as Politician was established. The leaders of the New Germany didnt want another World War, Germany had suffered so much during the 1st and 2nd World War, that it banned hundred thousands of people to hold a political office till their name was cleared.

 

Now, everyone who knows Somali history from the 1960 to the recent history knows what kind of destructive role Politicians mainly from Puntland played in Somalia's Politics. The corruption, clannism and voter rigging in the 60's, SSDF role, Abshir Farah's, Omar Sharmarke major corruptions and failures of establishing a goverment and Abdullahi Yussuf's destructive role of bringing Ethiopians to massacre Somali civlians and destroy xamar to the ground, and by this laying the seeds for Al Shabaab's birth. And all the whicked counter policies of stimulating and profiting from Piracy, arresting Sheicks for terrorism by PIS and the same time creating mashruucs of so called anti Piracy, anti terrorism from CIA without actually solving it.

 

Ofcourse one can not state that all Politicians from Puntland are bad leaders with bad policies that are destructive for Somalia. I am not going to argument there should be a Berufsverbot for National politicians from Puntland. For this wouild be clannism and waste of potential exceptions.

 

But the National leaders from Puntland we have seen so far have dissapointed us every bit. This should make us more cautious of any future aspirant Politcian from that region, their policies should be watched more critically, what they say and dont say should be analyzed and double checked for facts just to be sure and voters are advised to be cautios when dealing with Puntland Politicians.

So Puntland is Nazi regime...looool

[Carafaat]

Your words not mine, Contra Che.

[Jacaylbaro]

[Che -Guevara]

Come on Caraaf, man up. Don't retreat now and be bashful.

[Jacaylbaro]

Last edited by Carafaat; 2012-03-03 at 09:58.

Just wondering what that was ,,,,

[Carafaat]

It's NSDP not SSDP.

[Dr_Osman]

Carafat has collapsed and has now exposed himself as someone who hates puntland with a deep passion. Your dismissed

[Dr_Osman]

even mahiga said it, without these guys there is no somalia

 

Their policies are even heard from david cameroon mouth as the garowe principle and the only way for a better somalia. The garowe principle is a road as farole put it in garowe 1 that he has opened up a road for us to walk on. "Waddo baan idin furay ku socoda" is the words the man said. That road as I see it from assessing key components of garowe I and Garowe II is clearly a road straight back to rashid and razaq inta kale roti.

 

Why I say that is because we are heading for parliamentary democracy similar to 1960-69, were having a strong pm and weak president similar to 1960. Guess who is going to be PM? ***** loo sheegi maayo!!! The parliament is going be formed in two houses a regional house and a people's house. U can imagine the weight puntland will hold in the regional house and on top of that we already know what we held in Italian era Somalia parliament which was based on constituencies and we also made sure that the borders remain the same as 18 regions of somalia not just to secure the integrity of the nation as many somalilanders see it but also to secure that no clan can go create other states and and more settlements which will in turn give them a bigger share of the parliament.

 

So go away with your lies the motions are set in place, waddo baan ku soconayna oo nagu celin doono awoowe rashid iyo razaq adiguna waad ii raci sidaad uu soo salantiid

[Wing Wizard]

Carafaat;798081 wrote:

Now, everyone who knows Somali history from the 1960 to the recent history knows what kind of destructive role Politicians mainly from Puntland played in Somalia's Politics. The corruption, clannism and voter rigging in the 60's, SSDF role, Abshir Farah's, Omar Sharmarke major corruptions and failures of establishing a goverment and Abdullahi Yussuf's destructive role of bringing Ethiopians to massacre Somali civlians and destroy xamar to the ground, and by this laying the seeds for Al Shabaab's birth. And all the whicked counter policies of stimulating and profiting from Piracy, arresting Sheicks for terrorism by PIS and the same time creating mashruucs of so called anti Piracy, anti terrorism from CIA without actually solving it.

Abdullahi Yusuf is one of those few intelligent people from Somalia. He knew from day one that Al Qaeda were present in Somalia and you noticed 19 years later that he was damn right. Give the man the credit he deserves.

 

I really enjoy the moaning and whining of the haters.

[Qandalawi]

Waar carafaat iidaaya anagaa isfahmaynee. Carafaadow it seems you are on fire mate maalmahaan

 

The names of Puntland politicians you mentioned above arguably are better than most Somali politicians you have today. But my question for you is very simple.

 

Are there any other Somali clans politicians that did not disappoint? If yes, which clan did these politicians come from?

 

2nd question: Do you think there were good politicians from the said region, charismatic and Somali wide respected leaders? Do any names ring a bell?

 

Ma sidaanbaa secessionist-ga ilbax reer koonfur ugu ahaydna? Waar aflagaado dad bay kugu dirtaa dagaalna wax kama tarto, idhaxgalka badi sidaas ayaad secessionist kusoo bixi karaanee, meelkasta lafariiso oo adigaan isleenahay ayaa layiraa oo system-ka sidiisa dhaxdaa lagaga jiraa oo lahorboodaa markaasaad kasoo dhaxbixi kartaa. Kolay talo kusiiyay balse secessionist dhiig ayaa kugu jiroo barti ayaad kamiisanaysaa markasaan ku arkayaa marna adoo Puntland fuushay marna wiilka muqdisho wax kasheegayoo leh isma fahamno kan Addis ayaa kadhow marna kuwi idinka dhawaa dhulka SSC adigo habeen miray, war hooy dadkaaga dhinac karaac.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Dr osman carafaat doesn't hate pl he even visited that place. He just wants folks from the garowe enclave to get a new hobby that's all.

[Carafaat]

Dr_Osman;798118 wrote:

even mahiga said it, without these guys there is no somalia

 

Their policies are even heard from david cameroon mouth as the garowe principle and the only way for a better somalia. The garowe principle is a road as farole put it in garowe 1 that he has opened up a road for us to walk on. "Waddo baan idin furay ku socoda" is the words the man said. That road as I see it from assessing key components of garowe I and Garowe II is clearly a road straight back to rashid and razaq inta kale roti.

 

Why I say that is because we are heading for parliamentary democracy similar to 1960-69, were having a strong pm and weak president similar to 1960. Guess who is going to be PM? ***** loo sheegi maayo!!! The parliament is going be formed in two houses a regional house and a people's house. U can imagine the weight puntland will hold in the regional house and on top of that we already know what we held in Italian era Somalia parliament which was based on constituencies and we also made sure that the borders remain the same as 18 regions of somalia not just to secure the integrity of the nation as many somalilanders see it but also to secure that no clan can go create other states and and more settlements which will in turn give them a bigger share of the parliament.

 

So go away with your lies the motions are set in place, waddo baan ku soconayna oo nagu celin doono awoowe rashid iyo razaq adiguna waad ii raci sidaad uu soo salantiid

That "parliamentary democracy" didnt collapse without a reason Dr.osman. And you want a return to that period, while at the same time in combination with a Federal system that's is not in the benefit of no other region of Somalia. And may even lead to more division.

 

 

Qandalawi,

It's not about dissapointing individuals.But about a wide present Pirate mentality and the always present strategy of trying to establishe and maintain the clan hegemony that leads to destruction. Wax fahan.

[The Hermet]

Carafaat;798210 wrote:

That "parliamentary democracy" didnt collapse without a reason Dr.osman. And you want a return to that period, while at the same time in combination with a Federal system that's is not in the benefit of no other region of Somalia. And may even lead to more division.

 

 

Qandalawi,

It's not about dissapointing individuals.But about a wide present Pirate mentality and the always present strategy of trying to establishe and maintain the clan hegemony that leads to destruction. Wax fahan.

agreed its called d blockism...they infected withit hence why they always claiming land that they cant even set foot in..why the cling to the 4.5 falce system, why they always involved with clan issues, clan borders, and why the meet the president of pirateland instead of the president they confess is their president....its the same mentality and struggle for hegemony that created the imbalanced union between Somaliland and Somalia and under their uncle siad barre its the same struggle for hegemony that led to the carpet bombing of Somaliland cities and massacre of innocent civilians with their tax own tax dollars...i say point blank, you want Somalia to succeed you have to remove this cancer or neutralize it and remove any significance. This can only be achieved by creating two states Somaliland and Somalia, as two central states not federal. But will you understand nooooo...so please do continue...hahahah...:cool:

 

We will finish the job and nueatralise this cancer for you...soon enough..as we have already limited its infection and pushed it back to a corner were they are struggling to get out of ....and in good time serious cemo-therapy will be needed in Somalia to remove the remains of the cancer...but we will leave that to our brothers in Southern Somalia.

[Carafaat]

I wouldnt call it a cancer but if not stopped it has the characteristics of a virus with a potential to spread affect all communities.

 

I call upon all Puntlanders active in the SOL Political section to distentiate themselves from this disastrous and destructive Policy. Or face to be blamed and shamed.