The origins of the name Dervish

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Soomaalis back then followed certain Suufi dariiqooyin, including Saalixiya, Axmediya iyo Qaadariya (Sheekh Awey's dariiq). Suufinimo wax laga cararo ma'aha. You are just presenting one extreme version of it, which Soomaalida didn't follow.

 

Soomaalida waxa diinta soo wada baray 'Suufi' ayee wada ahaayeen.

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

Saalixyas were not actual suufis the madhab was based sufism but it had more of Salafaism Muhammad Bin salih the founder of the Salihiya tariqa was a devoted salafist before he went into the Salihya order. The dervishes used to refer to themselves as Darawishiya Saalixiya.

[Mario B]

Saalax;796451 wrote:

Are you saying all of the soldiers of Mad Mullah were suufis? obvisiouly some weren't suufis. Even to this day some of the ill-informed SSC folks call themselfs Dervish without knowing the actual meaning of it (Suufi).

Saalax....You might be the only one that didn't know that.- Che

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

They were Suufiyo in the traiditional sense of the word and were competing with the larger Qaadariya, the other then well known dariiq.

[Saalax]

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;796466 wrote:

Soomaalis back then followed certain Suufi dariiqooyin, including Saalixiya, Axmediya iyo Qaadariya (Sheekh Awey's dariiq). Suufinimo wax laga cararo ma'aha. You are just presenting one extreme version of it, which Soomaalida didn't follow.

 

Soomaalida waxa diinta soo wada baray 'Suufi' ayee wada ahaayeen.

 

The matter, is not about sufism as there is already suufis at large in modern day central Somalia but the historical

background of the Dervish name which some ill-informed Somalis run around with it thinking it belongs to them when it's a Persian originated name.

[Saalax]

Muhammad Ahmad of the Samaniyya order Sudan was not a suufi thus refused his followers to be described as the name Dervish, whirling Dervish or the begging Dervish.

 

 

;796471 wrote:

Muhammad Ahmad

in order to distinguish his followers from adherents of other Sufi sects, he forbid the use of the word darwish (commonly known as "dervish" in English) to describe his followers, replacing it with the title Ansar, the term the Prophet Muhammad used for the people of Medina who welcomed him and his followers after their flight from Mecca.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

lol@saalax calling others ill informed when the only thing you have demonstrated is that you are the one who is an informed. why pretend to be a simpleton, honestly we know or we hope you know better. One, the Siyad and his followers (darwiish or disciple) were Sufis. When people speak today of darwiish, they are referring to a historical movement whose capital was the city of Taleex. Today, the capital of Khaatumo is Taleex, case closed. nothing to argue, every Somali knows who the darwiish were. good grief

[Saalax]

Naxar Nugaaleed;796480 wrote:

, the Siyad and his followers (darwiish or disciple) were Sufis. When people speak today of darwiish, they are referring to a historical movement whose capital was the city of Taleex.

 

Which Dervish? the begging Dervish or whirling Dervish? or perhap Iran. The matter remains the name is not Somali and originates from Persia, Turkey.

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

The name darwiish ama dervish is simply a sufi term meaning a disciple or follower of a Sufi order. Whatever its origins, Sufism spread Islam from the Caucasoid mountains to Timbaktu. There are Sufi orders everywhere, the whirling dervish you are speaking of are specific to the Mavlavi order in turkey, an order that was founded by the world's best selling poet even today Jalaludin Rumi who was a persian poet, theologian, and jurist among other things. This form of dhikr of whirling is a complex ceremony, is called Sema and is particular to the mavlavi or mevlevi order of Konya Turkey. and on a side note, its is only today that you see the separation of what was an intrinsic part of Islam, Sufism, into something different thanks to the modern movements of salafism and like minded movements.

[Saalax]

Portrait of the Begging Dervish

17th century.

 

 

http://www.superluminal.com/cookbook/gallery_dervish.html

[Naxar Nugaaleed]

^^ that is one of the methods of the tareeqas prescribed in order to be a follower called "the annihilation of the self" basically renouncing worldy things and getting rid of the ego.

[Che -Guevara]

Saalax.....Cut your losses and let it be.

[Mario B]

Che -Guevara;796516 wrote:

Saalax.....Cut your losses and let it be.

[Mario B]

Naxar Nugaaleed;796480 wrote:

lol@saalax calling others ill informed when the only thing you have demonstrated is that you are the one who is an informed. why pretend to be a simpleton, honestly we know or we hope you know better. One, the Siyad and his followers (darwiish or disciple) were Sufis. When people speak today of darwiish, they are referring to a historical movement whose capital was the city of Taleex. Today, the capital of Khaatumo is Taleex, case closed. nothing to argue, every Somali knows who the darwiish were. good grief

This!

[faarah22]

who cares about it's origins. british infantry units are called grenadiers, fusiliers despite french origin of these names. don't read too much into it.