London conference on somalia 23rd february 2012

[SayidSomal]

Ban Ki-moon said that when he visited the world's biggest refugee camp; Dadaab, Somalis asked him whether the world really cared.

Here is the clip - His answer to them is unconvincing

[Carafaat]

Sayid, I know Qardho very well. Even the cats there use qabiil to get their ways. But the time Of abduction through 4.5 formula's,

Using clan and clan maamuls to get something is over. One, one vote, one region. I suggest you reconsider moving to Baydhabo or Beletweyn if you wanna get a set, there aint enough in Qardho.

[SayidSomal]

You know not Qardho - Qardho's cats are called 'Somali' and they are the most beautiful cats in the world - here is one with blue backdrop

 

As for Qabiil - Qardho qabyaallad maleh - waa meel qurux badan oo qabow. :cool:

[Carafaat]

Waan tahay oo ka cunteeyay. Waa qaboow. Laakinse I expected it was bigger, but Sheick ayaa ka weyn.

[SayidSomal]

The Final Analysis:

There seems to be a bit of a

contradiction

in the final communique.

On the one hand

, it states in bold type that decisions on Somalia's future

"rest with the Somali people".

On the other

it talks about

outsiders taking

some

control

of the government's budget, with the establishment of a Joint Financial Management Board.

 

It is also

outsiders who have decided

that the

time for political transition is over

; they even say they will "incentivise progress" towards representative government.

 

Will the London Conference translate into change on the ground?

Doubtless there has been real progress in the fight against al-Shabab and piracy. The conference delegates have made it clear that the time for political transition is over. But Somalia may be entering another phase of violence and instability, this time between its regions, many of which have their own governments.

 

There were no less than

four Somali presidents at the conference

, one representing the transitional federal government, the others the more stable regions in the north. And

outside the conference

there were no less than

three small but noisy demonstrations, all shouting and singing for different causes.

This suggests that peace and unity may be still be a distant dream.

Cajiib!

[SayidSomal]

Rumour has it - that the somali delegation from the regions (read PL, SL &ASWJ) were asked to produce their written speeches before hand and once the british government saw what they were going to talk about - decided to hold the second part of the conference in private and spended the whole time telling off the somalis.

 

But that is only rumour and waxaa la yidhi from people were actually.

 

futhermore - Somaliland got with it come for]; money and the rest of the somalis left with promises,

[SayidSomal]

London Conference on Somalia: The Official Communique

Political

 

5. We agreed that the Transitional Federal Institutions’ mandate ends in August 2012. There must be no further extensions. We welcomed the agreements that chart the way towards more representative government: the Transitional Federal Charter, the Djibouti Agreement, the Kampala Accord, and the Roadmap. We welcomed the progress represented by the Garowe Principles, endorsed the priority of convening a Constituent Assembly, and emphasised that the Assembly must be representative of the views of the Somali people of all regions and constituencies, and that women must be part of the political process. In line with Garowe II, we agreed to incentivise progress and act against spoilers to the peace process, and that we would consider proposals in this regard before the Istanbul Conference in June.

 

6. The Conference recognised the need for the international community to support any dialogue that Somaliland and the TFG or its replacement may agree to establish in order to clarify their future relations.

7. We condemned terrorism and violent extremism, whether perpetrated by Somalis or foreigners. We called on all those willing to reject violence to join the Djibouti peace process. We agreed to develop a defectors’ programme to support those who leave armed groups.

 

8. We emphasised the urgency of Somalia funding its own public services, and using its assets for the benefit of the people, as well as tackling corruption. We welcomed the progress that has been made in establishing a Joint Financial Management Board to increase transparency and accountability in the collection and efficient use of public revenues, as well as international development aid, and which will help strengthen Somali public financial management institutions. A declaration by the initial members of the JFMB is at Annex A.

 

9. Respect for human rights must be at the heart of the peace process. We called for action to address in particular the grave human rights violations and abuses that women and children face. We emphasised that journalists must be able to operate freely and without fear. Civilians must be protected. We called on the Somali authorities to take measures to uphold human rights and end the culture of impunity. We agreed to step up international efforts including through the UN human rights architecture.

[Carafaat]

Sayid,

 

The financial board is a big step forward. Funds were never in direct control of Somali administrations and management by dozens of UN agengcies with no transparency and little influence from Somali goverments and donors. So donors given their funds directly and controlling themselves is a step forward in transparency, effectiveness and efficiency.

 

And the other points a redicilous about major progress against piracy. And saying Somali's want diffrent things interms

Of structure and opposing against representative admin.

 

You heard what Hillary said, anyone who obstructs this process will be dealt with. So be carefull with your obstructions here. Everyone's eyes are on you.

[Carafaat]

Sayid*Somal;793656 wrote:

Rumour has it - that the somali delegation from the regions (read PL, SL &ASWJ) were asked to produce their written speeches before hand and once the british government saw what they were going to talk about - decided to hold the second part of the conference in private and spended the whole time telling off the somalis.

 

But that is only rumour and waxaa la yidhi from people were actually.

 

futhermore - Somaliland got with it come for]; money and the rest of the somalis left with promises,

Sayid, give it up your divide and rule tactics wont work. There has been an greement before they even came to Londen.

 

And Somaliland received funds not for free. Details will be made public soon.

[SayidSomal]

Security and Justice

 

10. We agreed that security and justice were essential both to a successful political process and to development. Better security could only be achieved sustainably in parallel with better justice and the rule of law.

 

11. We expressed gratitude to those countries whose troops had served as peacekeepers and paid tribute to the achievements and sacrifices of AMISOM and

other forces

. We welcomed joint planning by the UN and African Union and reiterated the importance of effective command and control. We welcomed the adoption of UN Security Council Resolution 2036, which expands AMISOM’s mandate and raises the troop ceiling. We encouraged AMISOM to ensure the protection of civilians. We encouraged partners, especially new donors, to contribute to funding for AMISOM, including through the EU.

 

12. We agreed that,

over time

, Somalis should take over responsibility for providing their own security and develop their own justice systems to deal with the threats to their security and improve access to justice. We noted that Somalis themselves must decide what security and justice arrangements they need.

 

13. We acknowledged the good work underway in supporting the Somali security and justice sectors. We agreed that we would build an international framework of partners in order to bring much needed coordination and focus to those efforts, underpinned by a set of principles at annex B, and working closely with the UN’s Joint Security Committee.

Obvious questions - who are these 'other forces' - Ethiopian, American, French, Israelis etc????

Re 'over time' - whose has the watch?

[SayidSomal]

Piracy

14. We reiterated our determination to eradicate piracy, noting that the problem requires a comprehensive approach on land as well as at sea. We expressed our concern that hostages in Somalia are being held longer and with more use of violence. We welcomed the work of the Contact Group on Piracy off the Coast of Somalia. We also welcomed the success of international military efforts, and remain committed to such efforts with robust rules of engagement and sufficient force generation. We agreed that piracy cannot be solved by military means alone, and reiterated the importance of supporting communities to tackle the underlying causes of piracy, and improving the effective use of Somali coastal waters through regional maritime capacity-building measures. We welcomed those initiatives underway and agreed to coordinate and support such initiatives better. We called for full implementation of the Djibouti Code of Conduct and the adoption of an Exclusive Economic Zone. We look forward to reviewing progress including at the Piracy Conference in the UAE in June.

 

15. We welcomed the efforts of partners in industry against piracy, and called for greater take-up of Best Management Practice on ships. We welcomed current work on international guidance on the use of private armed security companies.

 

16. There will be no impunity for piracy. We called for greater development of judicial capacity to prosecute and detain those behind piracy both in Somalia and in the wider region and recognised the need to strengthen capacity in regional states. We welcomed new arrangements, which enable some states and naval operations to transfer suspected pirates captured at sea for trial by partners across the Indian Ocean region, and if convicted, to transfer them to prisons in Puntland and Somaliland which meet international standards.

We noted the intention to consider further the possibility of creating courts in Somalia specialised in dealing with piracy.

 

17. We reiterated our determination to prosecute the kingpins of piracy. Recognising work already undertaken, we agreed to enhance coordination on illegal financial flows and to coordinate intelligence gathering and investigations. We noted the establishment of a Regional Anti-Piracy Prosecutions Intelligence Coordination Centre in the Seychelles.

No mention of the 'other' pirates - illegal fishing trawlers, toxic waste dumbers etc

[Carafaat]

Clearly AMISOM troops and trainers.

 

They do mention specificly the kingpins of Piracy. Good step foward to go after the big kingpins on land(Nairobi, Djibouti, Nairobi, Dubai, etc) th rather then poor youth on high sea who suffer for the crimes of those Kingpins.

 

Sayid, I told you. All eyes are on Qardho.

[Somalia]

Carafaat;793694 wrote:

Clearly AMISOM troops and trainers.

 

They do mention specificly the kingpins of Piracy. Good step foward to go after the big kingpins on land(Nairobi, Djibouti, Nairobi, Dubai, etc) th rather then poor youth on high sea who suffer for the crimes of those Kingpins.

 

Sayid, I told you. All eyes are on Qardho.

How does Puntland 'promote' piracy? That's what you said. I'd like to see the UN Monitoring Report you claimed existed. A report you claimed was santioned by the UNSC.

[Carafaat]

http://piracy-studies.org/2010/gunmen-fish-and-puntland-the-professionalization-of-piracy/

 

The government of Puntland appears to be even more entangled in the piracy operations than already known. Leaders of pirate gangs are protected by the government or even formally integrated in the military structures (whatever that means). Moreover, it seems proven now that president ‘Faroole’, the minister of interiors Ilkajiir as well as Samatar, the Minister of Internal Security (he was reportedly fired last week[1]), have been on the paylist of pirates.

 

As the report details in its case study of a pirate leader called Hanaano and his role in the campaigns for the Presidential elections in Puntland in January 2009 (p. 41):*

 

“According to multiple independent sources, Hanaano contributed over $200,000 to Ilkajiir’s political campaign. Ilkajiir ultimately lost the election to Abdirahman Mohamed “Faroole” — who benefited from much larger pirate contributions to his political war chest — and was awarded the post of Minister of the Interior.”*