Why Federalism won't work in Somalia.

[Carafaat]

Every single region and city in Somalia is inihabited by diffrent clans and sub-clans. In an ideal federal model it would mean regions or states would have worked out their internal issue's and disputes among themselves without outside interference and they regions would come to their own self-governing political construct. And engage with other regions and states and reach agreements based upon full mandate from its regions and own constituents.

 

If you look now closer to Somalia,

 

-Jubba's and Gedo, diffrent admins compete for control of same territory while large portions don't feel represented by these admins(Jubbaland and Azania). They have not come to any agreement or consensus among themselves and will need outside mediation.

 

-Hiiraan, diffrent maamuls representing diffrent sections of community are competing for the control of Beletweyn and even recently fought among themselves.One section accusing other of collaborating with Al Shabaab.

 

-Bay and Bakool, mainly consist of peace loving agricultural communities living side by side for generations and therefor complete self-governance without outside interference and mediation will risk likely to end in family feuds over land becoming political paralyzing.

 

-Mogdishu is the undispputed capital of all Somali's. What happens in Muqdisho affects the rest of the country and therefor would be unwise for all Somali's not to have a stake in Muqdisho as stakeholder.

 

-Mudug, Galgaduud, divers region with equally divers cities. Eventhough its free from Al Shabaab, still folks have not managed to come to solve its own disputes, leading to most clan based maamuls in Somalia. Take for example galkacyo with its 3 admin's, who represents Galkacyo in the federal model and have people given mandate to any political construct not holding guns?

 

-Puntland, Eventhough Faroole is the biggest advocate for a Federal Somalia and seeing himself representing the State. Looking closer Puntland is a mere clan alliance rather then a State. Not even having nor seeking mandate of all Galkacyo or Mudug. Does Faroole even represent Northern Galkacyo as Farmaajo stated that he doesn't and he he didn't even visit since 2009. Golgogob even founded its own State and the Puntland State even being uncapable of resolving issue's within the alliance in Mudug, Bari, SSC, Maakhir, Ras Caerys. And some even Qardho saying they want their own State. This proves that even Puntland can't even be regarded as a Federal State being unable to reach consensus over its political construct, to seek nor gain mandate of its constituency or control its territory. And groups seeking support from TFG as they have been unable to work things out with the same political construct representing them.

 

So why is Faroole advocating for Federalism besides that it gives him personal more power then he actually posesses or has been given as mandate by constituency? And how can it be a model for other Somali regions when it hasn't even worked in Puntland?

[Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar]

Ifafaaladaada waaku mahadsantahay, waana ku raacsanahay inay Soomaaliya 'federalism' waxba u soo kordhineynin ka ahayn isqabqabsi cusub. Laakiin maxaa ugu tagtay gobollada Sanaag, Togdheer, Sool, Waqooyi Galbeed iyo Awdal?

[Abwaan]

Miskiin-Macruuf-Aqiyaar;792765 wrote:

Ifafaaladaada waaku mahadsantahay, waana ku raacsanahay inay Soomaaliya 'federalism' waxba u soo kordhineynin ka ahayn isqabqabsi cusub. Laakiin maxaa ugu tagtay gobollada Sanaag, Togdheer, Sool, Waqooyi Galbeed iyo Awdal?

. Waa Su'aal culus.....Carafaat jawaab baa lagaa sugayaa!

[Somalia]

The only people against federalism are the ones who have had 20 years to fix their land yet opted for chaos and lawlessness.

 

The day when Somalis will be dragged down by a bunch of primitive savages is over. Federalism has been accepted by the TFG and its allies as well as the international community.

 

It's a new dawn and it will work. Just like federalism worked for Germany after unification. You stemming from a secessionist background should be the first one to support it.

 

Mogadishu is the federal capital and will remain so.

 

If you count Ras Caseyr then we will count, Saylac State, Saylac and Lughaye State, Awdal State, SSC State and Khatuumo State.

[Liibaan]

Dividing Somalia won't work in Somalia as well, Somalia will stay United Insha Allah from Zeylac to Kismaayo. Federalism is 1000 times better than division. Somali people will not accept dividing their country along fake colonial lines.

[Carafaat]

MMA, ine macaa waqooyi macaa ka shaqeenin wee iska cadahay. Somaliland waa ta leh waan ka go'ay Somalia, SSC Maakhir waa tan leh waan ka go'anahay Somalia.

[FreshPrince]

Somalia;792783 wrote:

SSC State and Khatuumo State.

What do you mean "SSC State and Khaatumo State" as if there are "two" states in Sool, Sanaag and Cayn (Beesha Block Territories)?

[faarah22]

there is no more natural system for somalia than federalism i say. the naysayers always have ulterior motives for opposing it. mostly surprise those who are against are the ones you would think have most to gain from it. cid walba responsibility xaafadee ayada qaabilsan. its pure democracy and sure solution to underdevelopment of some parts of the country. wasalaam

[Carafaat]

Somalia, Germany has a long history going back centuries of being a Confederation of Lander(countries). After the second world war, some authority was reinstated to the Bundeslander after being fully central under Hitlers third Reich. Germany is not fully Federal rather it has a central federal goverment where the central goverment still decided through the basiclaw which areas a the responsibility of the States and which of the Central goverment. Therefor it has a decntralized Central State meaning the central State decided what mandate is of States(Lander), if oil was to be found in Germany the central State would decide how it would be divided.

 

Faarah, you say everyone should deal with its own territory. Well if that was the case then there would be no need foreign troops nor foreign marine vessels and mission in to Somalia's territory. No competing maamuls asking TFG for mandate on their own regions?

[The Sage]

The problem with federalism is that it emphasizes existing divisions between regions by treating them as distinct entities which essentially lays the foundation for conflict in the future

[Xaaji Xunjuf]

The Sage;793004 wrote:

The problem with federalism is that it emphasizes existing divisions between regions by treating them as distinct entities which essentially lays the foundation for conflict in the future

Well said

[SayidSomal]

Carafaat;792593 wrote:

 

 

-Puntland, Eventhough Faroole is the biggest advocate for a Federal Somalia and seeing himself representing the State. Looking closer Puntland is a mere clan alliance rather then a State. Not even having nor seeking mandate of all Galkacyo or Mudug. Does Faroole even represent Northern Galkacyo as Farmaajo stated that he doesn't and he he didn't even visit since 2009. Golgogob even founded its own State and the Puntland State even being uncapable of resolving issue's within the alliance in Mudug, Bari, SSC, Maakhir, Ras Caerys. And some even

Qardho

saying they want their own State. This proves that even Puntland can't even be regarded as a Federal State being unable to reach consensus over its political construct, to seek nor gain mandate of its constituency or control its territory. And groups seeking support from TFG as they have been unable to work things out with the same political construct representing them.

 

Your whole argument is lost with bringing Qardho into your argument

 

 

On serious note: If Somalis can add baris and baasto together with banana and called it "Federation" - By God they can have federal regions - provided all somalis can share it like they share the food.

[faarah22]

any problem with federalism is outweighted by its advantages. if mogadisho burns other parts can thrive. less place for misogvernance and the sort. way better than fixed centralized nonsense of the 20th century. anybody who thinks otherwise has nt experienced or read history.

[Carafaat]

Sayid*Somal;793014 wrote:

Your whole argument is lost with bringing Qardho into your argument

 

 

On serious note: If Somalis can add baris and baasto together with banana and called it "

Federation

" - By God they can have federal regions - provided all somalis can share it like they share the food.

Sayid,

 

We tend to confuse the issue regarding allocation(nr seats, funds) and souvereignity(authority or power of governance madax banaanid). Even without a Federal system one can have a system were the seats, power and funds is divided between regions based on a formula. But Federalism is a political concept in which a group of members are bound by contract or convenant arranring the authority of the central governing authority and constituent political units.

 

Now the biggest discussion and issue's so far in Somalia is the division and formula's for 'sharing' the seats, funds and oil as you correctly stated.

But not if police, borders, taxation, education, health, monetary and economic policy, army, foreign policy, culture, etc is a souvereign issue for the regions thus the authority of the State or of the Central goverment.

 

Markaa, basta iyo bariis waa wada qeybsaninaa. Taasi problem maha. Laakinse markaa federal noqoto yaa so iibiniya, yase kariniya, yase so salaxi iyo yaase kadib naga qaadiya weelka?

[Duufaan]

the word federalism is abused and it is wrong to associate Somalia political system.Neither federalist nor separatist are looking long time solution for the problem but only short time political and economic gains which will hunt them later.

it obvious it will not work for long run. the EU regional system and proportional parliament system is better for Somalia than the federal system.